MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[Miami Shores]

I wish the Moderators would accept my private or public poll options suggestions I submitted on the Moderators forum, it fits all Trump maga threads, many nations read our posts but don't vote, with the poll they might vote, many nations don't vote on the poll link site. I wish the Moderators would let us create public polls again on our general and RP threads.

As thread OP I am accapting public poll options and suggestions. If you got any let me know here in thread. Just make sure to tag it with #poll so I can find it. Once the current one has run its course, it can be replaced by another one.

I sent you my Poll options suggestions thank you Nakena.

GMS Alberto

[Miami Shores]

oh oops : As thread OP I am accapting public poll options and suggestions. If you got any let me know here in thread. Just make sure to tag it with #poll so I can find it. Once the current one has run its course, it can be replaced by another one.

I suggest these poll options. I number the poll options to make it easier on my eyesight to follow, I am the only one on NS who numbers the poll options, and I think it looks cool to do so.

I don't know how to Tag and don't like it and I am Tech stupid. You can copy paste the poll options and post it on your thread at any time if you wish, it can be done.

Number of Poll options 5 - days of poll I suggest 0 days which means it has no end date, but you are the OP and you decide of course.

I wish the Moderators would allow us to create Public Polls again on our General and RP Threads, but if not at least it is a Private Poll.

Poll Question Impeach or not Impeach Trump ? Vote and Post

01 - The impeachment attempt against President Trump by the Democrats is political discuss
02 - The impeachment attempt against President Trump by the Democrats is not political discuss
03 - President Trump is innocent of Trump Ukraine Gate discuss
04 - President Trump is guilty of Trump Ukraine Gate discuss
05 - President Trump is innocent of collusion discuss
06 - President Trump is guilty of collusion discuss
07 - President Trump is innocent of obstruction discuss
08 - President Trump is guilty of obstruction discuss
09 - President Trump is innocent of the emoluments clause discuss
10 - President Trump is guilty of the emoluments clause discuss
Thank You.
GMS Alberto

[Nakena]

oh oops : As thread OP I am accapting public poll options and suggestions. If you got any let me know here in thread. Just make sure to tag it with #poll so I can find it. Once the current one has run its course, it can be replaced by another one.

I suggest these poll options. I number the poll options to make it easier on my eyesight to follow, I am the only one on NS who numbers the poll options, and I think it looks cool to do so.

I don't know how to Tag and don't like it and I am Tech stupid. You can copy paste the poll options and post it on your thread at any time if you wish, it can be done.

Number of Poll options 5 - days of poll I suggest 0 days which means it has no end date, but you are the OP and you decide of course.

I wish the Moderators would allow us to create Public Polls again on our General and RP Threads, but if not at least it is a Private Poll.

Poll Question Impeach or not Impeach Trump ? Vote and Post

01 - The impeachment attempt against President Trump by the Democrats is political discuss
02 - The impeachment attempt against President Trump by the Democrats is not political discuss
03 - President Trump is innocent of Trump Ukraine Gate discuss
04 - President Trump is guilty of Trump Ukraine Gate discuss
05 - President Trump is innocent of collusion discuss
06 - President Trump is guilty of collusion discuss
07 - President Trump is innocent of obstruction discuss
08 - President Trump is guilty of obstruction discuss
09- President Trump is innocent of the emoluments clause discuss
10 - President Trump is guilty of the emoluments clause discuss
Thank You.
GMS Alberto

Thanks Alberto, I'll take them into the consideration once the current poll has run its course.

[Bombadil]

Thanks Alberto, I'll take them into the consideration once the current poll has run its course.

I think public polling is a technical issue with the boards but, regardless, the poll questions aren't great. I would suggest..

I think the impeachment enquiry..

1. ..is largely political with slight basis in fact
2. ..is slightly political with large basis in fact
3. ..is largely political with large basis in fact
4. ..is slightly political with slight basis in fact

Throw in some requisite Hasselhoff, poll clicking and at least one pun and you're set.

[Miami Shores]

Thanks Alberto, I'll take them into the consideration once the current poll has run its course.

I think public polling is a technical issue with the boards but, regardless, the poll questions aren't great. I would suggest..

I think the impeachment enquiry..

1. ..is largely political with slight basis in fact
2. ..is slightly political with large basis in fact
3. ..is largely political with large basis in fact
4. ..is slightly political with slight basis in fact

Throw in some requisite Hasselhoff, poll clicking and at least one pun and you're set.

OP's have the right to ask for Poll suggestions, fellow nations have the right to ask the OP to Post a Poll if the OP agrees, I have done so and others have done so on other threads.

1. ..is largely political with slight basis in fact
2. ..is slightly political with large basis in fact
3. ..is largely political with large basis in fact
4. ..is slightly political with slight basis in fact[/i]

Saying with slight or large basis in fact is saying that it is political to some extent.

My Poll says it is Political and it is not Political, Trump is innocent and Trump is guilty.

[Bombadil]

Saying with slight basis in fact is saying that it is political to some extent.

I don't think anyone can say entirely political with zero basis in fact, or entirely factual with zero politics, so I think those options are obsolete.

At best it would show who is so thoroughly partisan that their opinion can simply be discounted, but since public polling is technically not possible - I vaguely feel it's a PHP issue - then it's moo..

[Miami Shores]

Saying with slight basis in fact is saying that it is political to some extent.

I don't think anyone can say entirely political with zero basis in fact, or entirely factual with zero politics, so I think those options are obsolete.

At best it would show who is so thoroughly partisan that their opinion can simply be discounted, but since public polling is technically not possible - I vaguely feel it's a PHP issue - then it's moo..

I strongly and respectfully disagree with you, it shows their actual opinions, the rest of the details can be discussed as my poll asks in every question.

[Bombadil]

I don't think anyone can say entirely political with zero basis in fact, or entirely factual with zero politics, so I think those options are obsolete.

At best it would show who is so thoroughly partisan that their opinion can simply be discounted, but since public polling is technically not possible - I vaguely feel it's a PHP issue - then it's moo..

I strongly and respectfully disagree with you, it shows their actual opinions, the rest of the details can be discussed as my poll asks in every question.

Did Trump have a call with the President of the Ukraine - is that a fact?
Did Trump ask for investigations into Hunter Biden - is that a fact?
Did Trump hinge military aid on the investigation - to be discerned
Did Trump demand quid quo pro - maybe

There are some facts, to say there are zero is to deny reality.

[Miami Shores]

I strongly and respectfully disagree with you, it shows their actual opinions, the rest of the details can be discussed as my poll asks in every question.

Did Trump have a call with the President of the Ukraine - is that a fact?
Did Trump ask for investigations into Hunter Biden - is that a fact?
Did Trump hinge military aid on the investigation - to be discerned
Did Trump demand quid quo pro - maybe

There are some facts, to say there are zero is to deny reality.

Those questions can and are being discussed on this thread and all Trump impeachment threads, my poll options ask is Trump innocent or guilty, what do our fellow nations think.

Suggestions

5 options - 0 days meaning it has no ending date or up to the OP of course.

Poll Question Impeach or not Impeach Trump ? Vote and Post


01 - The impeachment attempt against President Trump by the Democrats is political discuss
02 - The impeachment attempt against President Trump by the Democrats is not political discuss
03 - President Trump is innocent of Trump Ukraine Gate discuss
04 - President Trump is guilty of Trump Ukraine Gate discuss
05 - President Trump is innocent of collusion discuss
06 - President Trump is guilty of collusion discuss
07 - President Trump is innocent of obstruction discuss
08 - President Trump is guilty of obstruction discuss
09- President Trump is innocent of the emoluments clause discuss
10 - President Trump is guilty of the emoluments clause discuss
Thank You.
GMS Alberto

[Vassenor]

Or you know we could just not have a poll.

[The East Marches II]

Or you know we could not have a poll.

Why not? I find polls to be very illuminating. I for one want to see what NSG thinks. Go on boys! Sort us out a good poll.

[Bombadil]

01 - The impeachment attempt against President Trump by the Democrats is political discuss
02 - The impeachment attempt against President Trump by the Democrats is not political discuss

See this here is why your poll questions are disingenuous.. I doubt anyone on these boards don't think that, of course, the impeachment enquiry is political, but that it's also based in fact. You're doing what's called in polling 'forcing', either it's entirely political with no basis or entirely not political and only based in fact. You're forcing an answer.

Your poll is based on your own forced conclusion, that the impeachment is purely political.

Your questions are biased to your preconceived conclusion, mine aren't.

[Miami Shores]

Or you know we could just not have a poll.

Vassenor, I love Public Polls on all General and RP Threads, you have never seen one of my General and RP Threads without a Poll, I have suggested Polls before on other threads if the OP agrees.

Fellow nations have suggested Polls on other threads if the OP agrees.

[Miami Shores]

01 - The impeachment attempt against President Trump by the Democrats is political discuss
02 - The impeachment attempt against President Trump by the Democrats is not political discuss

See this here is why your poll questions are disingenuous.. I doubt anyone on these boards don't think that, of course, the impeachment enquiry is political, but that it's also based in fact. You're doing what's called in polling 'forcing', either it's entirely political with no basis or entirely not political and only based in fact. You're forcing an answer.

Your poll is based on your own forced conclusion, that the impeachment is purely political.

Your questions are biased to your preconceived conclusion, mine aren't.

My poll options asks direct questions Is President Trump innocent or guilty on all the charges discuss, is it political or not political discuss, at least it asks direct questions is Trump innocent or guilty on each charge discuss.

How many times on almost all posts have I said it is political lets not deny it, and not even one nation has said yes, but now they can vote, and fellow nations who read our posts but don't post can now vote.

[Bombadil]

See this here is why your poll questions are disingenuous.. I doubt anyone on these boards don't think that, of course, the impeachment enquiry is political, but that it's also based in fact. You're doing what's called in polling 'forcing', either it's entirely political with no basis or entirely not political and only based in fact. You're forcing an answer.

Your poll is based on your own forced conclusion, that the impeachment is purely political.

Your questions are biased to your preconceived conclusion, mine aren't.

My poll options asks direct questions Is President Trump innocent or guilty on all the charges, is it political or not political discuss, at least it asks direct questions is Trump innocent or guilty on each charge discuss.

How many times almost all posts have I said it is political lets not deny it, not even one nation has said yes.

Anticipating your response I ran a quick search on myself - Link - that's from 2013.

I work in this field, I know what is a biased set of questions and what isn't, your poll is forcing bad answers.

[Miami Shores]

My poll options asks direct questions Is President Trump innocent or guilty on all the charges, is it political or not political discuss, at least it asks direct questions is Trump innocent or guilty on each charge discuss.

How many times almost all posts have I said it is political lets not deny it, not even one nation has said yes.

Anticipating your response I ran a quick search on myself - Link - that's from 2013.

I work in this field, I know what is a biased set of questions and what isn't, your poll is forcing bad answers.

Human behavior varies from persons to persons, what is biased or not depends on persons to persons, no one has an absolute truth on what is biased or not, but they can give their opinions pro or con as my polls asks in every question with discuss, which is what we are supposed to do on NS threads, only God is perfect if they believe in God.

[Bombadil]

Anticipating your response I ran a quick search on myself - Link - that's from 2013.

I work in this field, I know what is a biased set of questions and what isn't, your poll is forcing bad answers.

Human behavior varies from persons to persons, what is biased or not depends on persons to persons.

No, what is biased is when opinions supersede facts. Something you've proven yourself monumentally prone to.

[Miami Shores]

Human behavior varies from persons to persons, what is biased or not depends on persons to persons.

No, what is biased is when opinions supersede facts. Something you've proven yourself monumentally prone to.

Based on your posts I think you believe Trump is guilty, based on my posts I believe Trump is innocent, they are our opinions to express, discuss and vote on. No one can say I am right and you are wrong that is wrong.

That is un American and undemocratic.

[Autumn Wind]

See this here is why your poll questions are disingenuous.. I doubt anyone on these boards don't think that, of course, the impeachment enquiry is political, but that it's also based in fact. You're doing what's called in polling 'forcing', either it's entirely political with no basis or entirely not political and only based in fact. You're forcing an answer.

Your poll is based on your own forced conclusion, that the impeachment is purely political.

Your questions are biased to your preconceived conclusion, mine aren't.

My poll options asks direct questions Is President Trump innocent or guilty on all the charges discuss, is it political or not political discuss, at least it asks direct questions is Trump innocent or guilty on each charge discuss.

How many times on almost all posts have I said it is political lets not deny it, and not even one nation has said yes, but now they can vote, and fellow nations who read our posts but don't post can now vote.

Why make the options all in or all out? Why not include a variety of potential possibilities? Instead of completely innocent or completely guilty, have very varying degrees of guilt or innocence? Or even a “more information required” option?

[Miami Shores]

My poll options asks direct questions Is President Trump innocent or guilty on all the charges discuss, is it political or not political discuss, at least it asks direct questions is Trump innocent or guilty on each charge discuss.

How many times on almost all posts have I said it is political lets not deny it, and not even one nation has said yes, but now they can vote, and fellow nations who read our posts but don't post can now vote.

Why make the options all in or all out? Why not include a variety of potential possibilities? Instead of completely innocent or completely guilty, have very varying degrees of guilt or innocence? Or even a “more information required” option?

I have answered those questions on my posts above. I included the possibilities of guilty or not guilty on all the possible charges with discuss, which is what we are supposed to do on NS threads.

[Bombadil]

No, what is biased is when opinions supersede facts. Something you've proven yourself monumentally prone to.

Based on your posts I think you believe Trump is guilty, based on my posts I believe Trump is innocent, they are our opinions to express, discuss and vote on.

That is irrelevant to the framing of questions to discern the nuance of what people believe. There is a science to asking questions to understand people's opinions, down to the very words used but certainly avoiding false black and white terms.

i.e.

I believe God created everything and humans have no choice
I believe humans have full choice and God created nothing

What's your answer?

[Miami Shores]

Based on your posts I think you believe Trump is guilty, based on my posts I believe Trump is innocent, they are our opinions to express, discuss and vote on.

That is irrelevant to the framing of questions to discern the nuance of what people believe. There is a science to asking questions to understand people's opinions, down to the very words used but certainly avoiding false black and white terms.

i.e.

I believe God created everything and humans have no choice
I believe humans have full choice and God created nothing

What's your answer?

I believe God created everything and humans have a choice to believe or not believe in God. I believe their is a God and Spirits.

I have posted about this on other threads, when I lived in Cuba I saw spirits at the house I lived in, my room was the one at the end of the hall next to the dinning room, at night I would stand in the dinning room and look down to the living room and I would see an old lady sitting in the rocking chair we had rocking herself.

We investigated and found out the house we bought fully furnished with the rocking chair used to belong to an old lady who loved to sit in the rocking chair late at night and died in the house, the lady I saw, since then I believe in God and Spirits.

[Bombadil]

That is irrelevant to the framing of questions to discern the nuance of what people believe. There is a science to asking questions to understand people's opinions, down to the very words used but certainly avoiding false black and white terms.

i.e.

I believe God created everything and humans have no choice
I believe humans have full choice and God created nothing

What's your answer?

I believe God created everything and humans have a choice to believe or not believe in God. I believe their is a God and Spirits.

I have posted about this on other threads, when I lived in Cuba I saw spirits at the house I lived in, my room was the one at the end of the hall next to the dinning room, at night I would stand in the dinning room and look down to the living room and I would see an old lady sitting in the rocking chair we had rocking herself.

We investigated and found out the house we bought fully furnished with the rocking chair used to belong to an old lady who loved to sit in the rocking chair late at night and died in the house, since then I believe in God and Spirits.

Right, but you see how my questions didn't allow for your answer, much as asking if entirely political and no fact or entirely factual and no politics doesn't allow for exactly what you answered.

You believe in God and the ability to choose, much as people can believe it's political and yet still have basis in fact.

[Telconi]

Or you know we could not have a poll.

Why not? I find polls to be very illuminating. I for one want to see what NSG thinks. Go on boys! Sort us out a good poll.

>Turkey goes on the warpath and TEM shows up.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Perhaps we could have a poll megathread.