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Postby Luziyca » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:41 pm

Page wrote:Another killing of an innocent person in their own home by a cop, we can only hope this one will be convicted as well. I'd like to think that if several cops are convicted in high profile cases, maybe police will be more hesitant to pull the trigger.

I doubt it. While I do want that cop to be convicted, I do not believe that he will be convicted, and even if he were, he'd be sentenced to, at most, ten years.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:41 pm

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Totenborg wrote:He didn't declare himsef as police, and didn't account for auditory exclusion/ the victim's disorientation. Also, since when is 1 second long enough to register and comply with a command, especially given the circumstances? That cop should be jailed or at the very least barred from police work.

I'd wait until the official investigation to determine what the cop did or did not do prior to the shooting.

Yeah, maybe the body cam footage was all faked by the victim, somehow.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:44 pm

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Nouveau Quebecois wrote:I'd wait until the official investigation to determine what the cop did or did not do prior to the shooting.

Yeah, maybe the body cam footage was all faked by the victim, somehow.

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Postby Izandai » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:46 pm

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We actually need the police for a lot of things.

What needs to happen is a clean house and some serious reform. People need to get sacked, and charged.

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Postby Page » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:49 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Page wrote:Another killing of an innocent person in their own home by a cop, we can only hope this one will be convicted as well. I'd like to think that if several cops are convicted in high profile cases, maybe police will be more hesitant to pull the trigger.

I doubt it. While I do want that cop to be convicted, I do not believe that he will be convicted, and even if he were, he'd be sentenced to, at most, ten years.


I wouldn't tend to think so either by a cop who killed someone in their own home was just convicted last week, so it can possibly happen again.
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Postby US-SSR » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:54 pm

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Postby Arevastan » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:55 pm

It feels like a surreal joke at this point.
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Postby NoAvailability » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:57 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Page wrote:Another killing of an innocent person in their own home by a cop, we can only hope this one will be convicted as well. I'd like to think that if several cops are convicted in high profile cases, maybe police will be more hesitant to pull the trigger.

I doubt it. While I do want that cop to be convicted, I do not believe that he will be convicted, and even if he were, he'd be sentenced to, at most, ten years.

...I'd like to point out that that's half a life sentence (on average) in Germany at least, so that kinda "light" punishment is probably not something that has anything to do with the US-system being corrupted. If you add five years to that, it'd be likely the longest you'd sit in prison for actual straight-up cold blooded murder over here. Ten years is about what I'd expect the sentence to be at it's worst had that murder be committed in Germany.

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Postby US-SSR » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:59 pm

NoAvailability wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I doubt it. While I do want that cop to be convicted, I do not believe that he will be convicted, and even if he were, he'd be sentenced to, at most, ten years.

...I'd like to point out that that's half a life sentence (on average) in Germany at least, so that kinda "light" punishment is probably not something that has anything to do with the US-system being corrupted. If you add five years to that, it'd be likely the longest you'd sit in prison for actual straight-up cold blooded murder over here. Ten years is about what I'd expect the sentence to be at it's worst had that murder be committed in Germany.


Over here black people who murder white people generally get death, so.
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Postby Kavagrad » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:59 pm

NoAvailability wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I doubt it. While I do want that cop to be convicted, I do not believe that he will be convicted, and even if he were, he'd be sentenced to, at most, ten years.

...I'd like to point out that that's half a life sentence (on average) in Germany at least, so that kinda "light" punishment is probably not something that has anything to do with the US-system being corrupted. If you add five years to that, it'd be likely the longest you'd sit in prison for actual straight-up cold blooded murder over here. Ten years is about what I'd expect the sentence to be at it's worst had that murder be committed in Germany.

Texas has the death penalty.
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Postby NoAvailability » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:11 pm

US-SSR wrote:
NoAvailability wrote:...I'd like to point out that that's half a life sentence (on average) in Germany at least, so that kinda "light" punishment is probably not something that has anything to do with the US-system being corrupted. If you add five years to that, it'd be likely the longest you'd sit in prison for actual straight-up cold blooded murder over here. Ten years is about what I'd expect the sentence to be at it's worst had that murder be committed in Germany.


Over here black people who murder white people generally get death, so.


I may be misreading this stuff here, but isn't it generally that people who murder white people get the death sentence more often than others?
The numbers seem to suggest at least that the victims matter more than the perps, since in both cases white people seem to be the ones with the highest count. Seems to me like the death penalty is most likely for White-On-White-Homicide. Then again, I could just be misunderstanding the numbers.

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NoAvailability wrote:*snip*

Texas has the death penalty.


Yeah, just saying that it'd have about the same judgement if the trial was held in Germany's all I'm saying.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:12 pm

US-SSR wrote:Nervous racists should never have guns and badges.

The shooting was wrong, but no evidence of racism has been presented yet. Let's not jump the gun yet.

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Postby Kavagrad » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:15 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
US-SSR wrote:Nervous racists should never have guns and badges.

The shooting was wrong, but no evidence of racism has been presented yet. Let's not jump the gun yet.

If only someone had told the cop that.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:18 pm

Kavagrad wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The shooting was wrong, but no evidence of racism has been presented yet. Let's not jump the gun yet.

If only someone had told the cop that.

Someone should've.

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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:29 pm

The Brytish Isles wrote:Jesus Christ, how does this keep happening in the US? Is this a matter of trigger discipline or what?

Police in most of the US are trained to think of anyone as a threat until proven otherwise and/or incapacitated, and the easiest and most affective way to incapacitate someone is with a gunshot to the largest center mass.

Also, a lot of police, especially in the Southern US and Mexican border, are either very racist, power tripping with their newfound authority, or both.
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Postby Izandai » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:32 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Brytish Isles wrote:Jesus Christ, how does this keep happening in the US? Is this a matter of trigger discipline or what?

Police in most of the US are trained to think of anyone as a threat until proven otherwise and/or incapacitated, and the easiest and most affective way to incapacitate someone is with a gunshot to the largest center mass.

Also, a lot of police, especially in the Southern US and Mexican border, are either very racist, power tripping with their newfound authority, or both.

Also there's a huge amount of tribalism in police culture, resulting in officers rarely being meaningfully punished for these kinds of transgressions as their coworkers and superiors turn a blind eye.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:33 pm

Izandai wrote:
New haven america wrote:Police in most of the US are trained to think of anyone as a threat until proven otherwise and/or incapacitated, and the easiest and most affective way to incapacitate someone is with a gunshot to the largest center mass.

Also, a lot of police, especially in the Southern US and Mexican border, are either very racist, power tripping with their newfound authority, or both.

Also there's a huge amount of tribalism in police culture, resulting in officers rarely being meaningfully punished for these kinds of transgressions as their coworkers and superiors turn a blind eye.

And some of their coworkers and superiors even support their behavior, but can't outright say it because then they'll get worse PR.

And people wonder why a lot of Americans don't like the police.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:43 pm

I swear, this site has headlines more dishonest than click bait!

> bReATHiNg wHile bLacK

Give me a break. If this was a white person, not one of the activists, or (likely) OP would be up in arms.

Let's analyze what happened based on evidence and not the race card:
  • Neighbor calls non-emergency number
  • Her front door is open
  • He fears someone is in there
  • Cops arrive
  • Circle property looking for danger
  • Police see person in window
  • No knowledge of race or ANYTHING about occupant, unaware if occupant was even home
  • Demand to show hands
  • PERSON DOES NOT SHOW HANDS
  • PERSON DOES NOT RESPOND
  • Cops open fire
  • Person is hit
  • Turns out they shot the homeowner
  • Instant deployment of race card solely because she is black
  • If she was white no one would care because whites have the privilege of being expendable
  • The anti-police bigots come out demanding the cop's head without full evidence over a tragic accident and case of manslaughter
  • City slicking prosecutor looking to score leftist points and be a hero charges cop with murder when this is a case of manslaughter
  • Acquittal of murder because it was actually manslaughter
  • Riots and arson because that's the proper way to deal with real or perceived racial injustice

This is textbook manslaughter. Your actions have directly led to the death of another person.

The proper procedure here is a criminal persuance of manslaughter and a civil lawsuit of wrongful death. The family should sue the police department for worngful death and pocket whatever millions there are. There is also a case here, as I said, for manslaughter.

RACE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. AT NO TIME WAS THE RACE OR EVEN GENDER OF THE HOMEOWNER KNOWN.

You only bring it up because she's black and you woldn't give a crap if she wasn't.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:46 pm

US-SSR wrote:Nervous racists should never have guns and badges.


At no time did the officers know the racial makeup or gender of the homeowner. You wouldn't care if she was white.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:47 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
US-SSR wrote:Nervous racists should never have guns and badges.


At no time did the officers know the racial makeup or gender of the homeowner. You wouldn't care if she was white.

Just because you wouldn't care if she was white or not doesn't mean others wouldn't.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:51 pm

New haven america wrote:Also, a lot of police, especially in the Southern US and Mexican border, are either very racist, power tripping with their newfound authority, or both.


Half the Border Patrol is Hispanic. Up to one-third of ICE is Hispanic. Both are significantly more Hispanic than any other federal law enforcement force.

Lay your race cards and statements containing typical anti-Dixie bigotry on the table and exit the casino slowly.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:54 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
New haven america wrote:Also, a lot of police, especially in the Southern US and Mexican border, are either very racist, power tripping with their newfound authority, or both.


Half the Border Patrol is Hispanic. Up to one-third of ICE is Hispanic.

Lay your race cards and statements containing typical anti-Dixie bigotry on the table and exit the casino slowly.

Hispanic isn't a race, it's a cultural background meaning that someone is from a Spanish based background. (Those in Equatorial Guinea in Africa are Hispanic, The Philippines were when they had Spanish as an official language, and Spain is Hispanic, obviously) Most Hispanic people are either White or Native American or Both.

The only area in the Spanish speaking world that considers Hispanic a race is Mexico.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:54 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Give me a break. If this was a white person, not one of the activists, or (likely) OP would be up in arms.

I would, though I'm not a leftist, so I don't know if I count.

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:55 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:This is honestly depressing. The cop should be fired and tried for murder.


Manslaughter is a different category than murder for a reason.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:58 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Give me a break. If this was a white person, not one of the activists, or (likely) OP would be up in arms.

I would, though I'm not a leftist, so I don't know if I count.


Good for you. (I am not being sarcastic.) That means you are consistent.

I was directing that more at OP (bReatHInG wHiLe BLacK) and the legions backing Black Lives Matter's regular lootings and riots (and explicit death threats against police) every time a person of their preferred skin color is shot, who continue to push what I interpret to be a narrative that black lives matter while white lives have the privilege of being expendable. (Remember that more whites are shot by cops than blacks.)
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