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Vistulange
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Postby Vistulange » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:24 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Except this is not just about China, this is about a large company giving up it morals in order to have access to a large market.

Also, to the others, please stay on topic.

They want profit, and they’re willing to sacrifice their morals to get it.

Since when was capitalism particularly caring for morals in the first place? I get that the sentiment is really nice and all, but in a capitalist system, unless said morals are beneficial for your profit, they're not really all that necessary. Right here, a "moral" stance - assuming there is a universal standard of morality - would presumably have cut into profits, and so, the morals went out the window. It's quite natural.

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Ex-Nation

Postby Valrifell » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:24 pm

Isn't it ironic that massive corporations from FreedomlandTM are always extremely comfortable bowing to the whim of authoritarians if there's load of cash to be made?

It's almost as if the modus operandi of most corporations and the core tenants of liberty are almost incompatible, or something.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:33 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:America needs to stop bending over for china, but then again we also let ourselves be abused by israel, Saudi Arabia and now Turkey as well. America is like mid 1800s china. A once powerful country now having its strings pulled by foreign interlopers vying for influence within our economy and politics. I know that only southpark will have the guts to give a middle finger to the Chinese Corporatist Party

I question your judgment when you include Israel with Saudi Arabia and Turkey


When AIPAC is a major donor to both parties and trump is buddy buddy with the saudis, it most certainly does include them
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:34 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:America needs to stop bending over for china, but then again we also let ourselves be abused by israel, Saudi Arabia and now Turkey as well. America is like mid 1800s china. A once powerful country now having its strings pulled by foreign interlopers vying for influence within our economy and politics. I know that only southpark will have the guts to give a middle finger to the Chinese Corporatist Party

“Chinese Corporatist Party” :lol2:

Funny how almost every attempt at communism has devolved into the very thing it swore to destroy


That's what dictatorship is all about
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:35 pm

Valrifell wrote:Isn't it ironic that massive corporations from FreedomlandTM are always extremely comfortable bowing to the whim of authoritarians if there's load of cash to be made?

It's almost as if the modus operandi of most corporations and the core tenants of liberty are almost incompatible, or something.


you'll know trump is truly fighting for Americans when he says corporations are enemies of the people. He won't though cause he's on their payroll
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Risastorstein » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:52 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:When AIPAC is a major donor to both parties and trump is buddy buddy with the saudis, it most certainly does include them


Add to this the fact that Israel is almost untouchable in the mainstream media and that there is an Israel Anti-Boycott Act that lets US states enact laws forcing people to renounce to their right to free speech and peaceful protest.

The whole thing with China (which is a rival country) and companies bending over for money makes you wonder about other topics that are intentionally ignored by the media thanks to other domestic wealthy pressure groups (cough billionaires cough).
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Postby Samadhi » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:58 pm

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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:02 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:“Chinese Corporatist Party” :lol2:

Funny how almost every attempt at communism has devolved into the very thing it swore to destroy


That's what dictatorship is all about

I SWEAR It’ll work the next time!
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:02 pm

Risastorstein wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:When AIPAC is a major donor to both parties and trump is buddy buddy with the saudis, it most certainly does include them


Add to this the fact that Israel is almost untouchable in the mainstream media and that there is an Israel Anti-Boycott Act that lets US states enact laws forcing people to renounce to their right to free speech and peaceful protest.

The whole thing with China (which is a rival country) and companies bending over for money makes you wonder about other topics that are intentionally ignored by the media thanks to other domestic wealthy pressure groups (cough billionaires cough).


If you aren't allowed in certain states to protest against Israel then they've clearly exploited America and taken over in a way.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:03 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
That's what dictatorship is all about

I SWEAR It’ll work the next time!


Are you accusing me of being a communist?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:03 pm

Gotta bend over to big daddy Xi for them precious Renminbi
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Postby Nakena » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:05 pm

It's exactly why the international influence of the PRC needs to be contained. Its a minor incident but theres probably a dozen (or hundred) more we dont know about it and its foreshadowing worse and bigger things to come.

Beyond that I am pretty sure nobody in the CCP had asked Blizzard for this to do, so this might be something they do preemptively to avoid potential negative responses from Beijing which in turn makes the whole matter even more questionable.

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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:07 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:I SWEAR It’ll work the next time!


Are you accusing me of being a communist?

No? You’re the most libertarian person I’ve seen on this forum save for a few extremists
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:08 pm

Activision Blizzard is succing PRC dick

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:13 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Are you accusing me of being a communist?

No? You’re the most libertarian person I’ve seen on this forum save for a few extremists


Aight, just making sure
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Gormwood » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:18 pm

Bloodthirsty savages who call for violence against the Right while simultaneously being unarmed defenseless sissies who will get slaughtered by the gun-toting Right in a civil war.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:20 pm

no quarter.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:22 pm



They are also giving him his prize money.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:>reducing suspensions.

not good enough.


They are also giving him his prize money.


i want them to pay out interest.
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:36 pm


That still does not answer the issue that they are essentially censoring him though. He is still being punished for speech.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:36 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Telconi wrote:
They are also giving him his prize money.


i want them to pay out interest.


That is not how that works.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:38 pm

Neutraligon wrote:

That still does not answer the issue that they are essentially censoring him though. He is still being punished for speech.


He broke a rule of the event, presumably he had been provided the rules of time and knew what he was doing would result in consequences.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:40 pm

Telconi wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:That still does not answer the issue that they are essentially censoring him though. He is still being punished for speech.


He broke a rule of the event, presumably he had been provided the rules of time and knew what he was doing would result in consequences.

I listed the rule of the event, the rule is so broad it could cover people saying everyone should own a gun, and it is at the discretion of the company.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:43 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
He broke a rule of the event, presumably he had been provided the rules of time and knew what he was doing would result in consequences.

I listed the rule of the event, the rule is so broad it could cover people saying everyone should own a gun, and it is at the discretion of the company.


And if I was a professional video game player and said that and got banned it's my own damn fault. Talk about what you're supposed to and everything will be fine.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:45 pm

Telconi wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I listed the rule of the event, the rule is so broad it could cover people saying everyone should own a gun, and it is at the discretion of the company.


And if I was a professional video game player and said that and got banned it's my own damn fault. Talk about what you're supposed to and everything will be fine.

And like I said, it could cover anything remotely controversial...or not. Based on that rule, they could state they won because they used thus and such mouse and it could still get them banned.
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