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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:21 pm

New haven america wrote:
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liberia was an independent country from its inception, if i recall correctly
whatever its de facto status as an american concern, it was de jure a sovereign state

For the first 20 or so years of it's existence it was a colony of the US.


the legal status of Liberia is a bit murky, It was founded and governed by the American Colonization Society. Which was not a government institution. Though Liberia declared independence from the US I ma not sure the US Government ever viewed them as part of the US.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:23 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
New haven america wrote:For the first 20 or so years of it's existence it was a colony of the US.


the legal status of Liberia is a bit murky, It was founded and governed by the American Colonization Society. Which was not a government institution. Though Liberia declared independence from the US I ma not sure the US Government ever viewed them as part of the US.


So more like the company in India?

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Postby Heloin » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:28 pm

Nakena wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
the legal status of Liberia is a bit murky, It was founded and governed by the American Colonization Society. Which was not a government institution. Though Liberia declared independence from the US I ma not sure the US Government ever viewed them as part of the US.


So more like the company in India?

THE HEIC was sanctioned by Britain to do what it did, the ACS had some support by American politicians but never direct approval by the American government who didn't seem to want to talk about it at the time.

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Postby Neko-koku » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:33 pm

I support putting Uganda under international rule.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:48 pm

Heloin wrote:
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So more like the company in India?

THE HEIC was sanctioned by Britain to do what it did, the ACS had some support by American politicians but never direct approval by the American government who didn't seem to want to talk about it at the time.

Though America was also clear it would intervene to defend Liberia from European encroachment. That 25 year period is fairly unique in the formation of nation states.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:56 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Heloin wrote:THE HEIC was sanctioned by Britain to do what it did, the ACS had some support by American politicians but never direct approval by the American government who didn't seem to want to talk about it at the time.

Though America was also clear it would intervene to defend Liberia from European encroachment. That 25 year period is fairly unique in the formation of nation states.

The US had an odd relationship with Liberia to say the least.

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Postby Empire of Ur » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:28 pm

If outer nations want to ban Homosexuality for cultural or reliegios reasons, They can go ahead. But if a nation like russia bans it just becuase Vladamir Putin is Homophobic, then theres a problem.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:33 pm

Empire of Ur wrote:If outer nations want to ban Homosexuality for cultural or reliegios reasons, They can go ahead. But if a nation like russia bans it just becuase Vladamir Putin is Homophobic, then theres a problem.

Wouldn't that make the culture of those nations homophobic?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:34 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
New haven america wrote:For the first 20 or so years of it's existence it was a colony of the US.


the legal status of Liberia is a bit murky, It was founded and governed by the American Colonization Society. Which was not a government institution. Though Liberia declared independence from the US I ma not sure the US Government ever viewed them as part of the US.


It was never part of the US but the US did tell European powers not to mess with it.
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Postby GLDF » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:53 pm

It's Uganda. I'm surprised they weren't still using medieval torture methods on homosexuals.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:47 pm

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A government motivated by evangelical christianity. They are pretty open on why they want to kill da gayz: it is because Jesus wants them to.


I can assure you Jesus wants nothing of the sort.


Again:assure THEM instead of some random person on an internet forum.
Assure your fellow christians that murdering people for being gay is bad.

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Postby Kowani » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:13 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
the legal status of Liberia is a bit murky, It was founded and governed by the American Colonization Society. Which was not a government institution. Though Liberia declared independence from the US I ma not sure the US Government ever viewed them as part of the US.


It was never part of the US but the US did tell European powers not to mess with it.

Shame the US did nothing about the Civil War, Charles Taylor, or the near-total collapse of the country.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:57 am

New haven america wrote:
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This is called running away, it's generally done when people know that their argument doesn't hold up.

No shame in admitting it, when I was new I did the same thing.

LMAO knew you were going to try to pull this shit

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:14 am

How anyone can believe someone deserves the death penalty for whom they love and something they did not chose is beyond my comprehension.

I saw a documentary called “the worlds worst place to be gay” hosted by British Dj Scott mills who is openly gay. He traveled to Uganda. At end he said he would never again take for granted how lucky he was to live in a country where he is accepted, protected from discrimination and would never prosecuted simply for who is. I share the same sentiment. The documentary might still be on YouTube

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:17 am

San Lumen wrote:How anyone can believe someone deserves the death penalty for whom they love and something they did not chose is beyond my comprehension.

It's standard religious love hate and the belief in a religion tends not to be rational.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:19 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How anyone can believe someone deserves the death penalty for whom they love and something they did not chose is beyond my comprehension.

It's standard religious love hate and the belief in a religion tends not to be rational.

Yet nowhere in the Bible or Torah does it say kill the gays. I can’t speak for other religions.

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Postby Samadhi » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It's standard religious love hate and the belief in a religion tends not to be rational.

Yet nowhere in the Bible or Torah does it say kill the gays. I can’t speak for other religions.


People are free to add that to their personal copies and then act of it though.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:30 am

San Lumen wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It's standard religious love hate and the belief in a religion tends not to be rational.

Yet nowhere in the Bible or Torah does it say kill the gays. I can’t speak for other religions.

(Leviticus 18:22) wrote:You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.


(Leviticus 20:13) wrote:If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.


Lots of people have pretty good arguments that these were taken out of context, though many Christians just parrot this and screech that it is a crime. Dictators in Africa can exploit this as well.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:36 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yet nowhere in the Bible or Torah does it say kill the gays. I can’t speak for other religions.

(Leviticus 18:22) wrote:You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.


(Leviticus 20:13) wrote:If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.


Lots of people have pretty good arguments that these were taken out of context, though many Christians just parrot this and screech that it is a crime. Dictators in Africa can exploit this as well.

If they are going to parrot or exploit it then President Jed Barlett of the West Wing has a few questions for them

"I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleaned the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?"
"My chief of staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police?"
"Here's one that's really important cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7 If they promise to wear gloves can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point?
"Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?
"Think about those questions, would you?"
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:



Lots of people have pretty good arguments that these were taken out of context, though many Christians just parrot this and screech that it is a crime. Dictators in Africa can exploit this as well.

If they are going to parrot or exploit it then President Jed Barlett of the West Wing has a few questions for them

"I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleaned the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?"
"My chief of staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police?"
"Here's one that's really important cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7 If they promise to wear gloves can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point?
"Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?
"Think about those questions, would you?"

Religion entails cherry-picking. Probably why it should be done away with.

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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:43 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
New haven america wrote:This is called running away, it's generally done when people know that their argument doesn't hold up.

No shame in admitting it, when I was new I did the same thing.

LMAO knew you were going to try to pull this shit

No it's called being a healthy human being and getting some sleep

Also come on New haven America you haven't even responded to what I said lmao
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:46 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If they are going to parrot or exploit it then President Jed Barlett of the West Wing has a few questions for them

"I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleaned the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?"
"My chief of staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police?"
"Here's one that's really important cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7 If they promise to wear gloves can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point?
"Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?
"Think about those questions, would you?"

Religion entails cherry-picking. Probably why it should be done away with.


Depends on the religion.
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:08 am

I say good for them. The people of Uganda have the right to govern their nation any way they see fit. And I must support that right irregardless of if I agree with how they use it.
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Postby Page » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:10 am

Purpelia wrote:I say good for them. The people of Uganda have the right to govern their nation any way they see fit. And I must support that right irregardless of if I agree with how they use it.


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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:50 am

Purpelia wrote:I say good for them. The people of Uganda have the right to govern their nation any way they see fit. And I must support that right irregardless of if I agree with how they use it.


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