Uganda to reinstate death penalty for Homosexuality

[Geneviev]

Not really. They still have those opinions. The only difference is that those people are making laws in Uganda.

Fundies are in government here, and we yet don't have those laws. The institutional foundations of the west are much stronger.

That depends how you define West. There aren't many fundamentalists in the governments in western Europe.

[Gormwood]

I mean it's nice that some people are pointing out the American influence behind this but it's also very disappointing that some people are trying to defend it.

A. No one's doing that
B. This is England's fault, they're the ones who owned Uganda (America only has 1 African colony, and that was on the West Coast)

American fundies were the ones lobbying Uganda for the bill.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I mean it's nice that some people are pointing out the American influence behind this but it's also very disappointing that some people are trying to defend it.

...Who's defending it?

Anyone pretending this is the fault of anyone other than American evangelicals

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

No comments here about race; it isn't just blacks that call for genocide of homosexuals, it's just that the west has largely moved on from it.

A. A decent chunk of the West has not
B. Yeah, uh, this hatred of homosexuals in a lot of the world comes from Western Christian culture and influences

I get that, but again, they're successful there and not here in doing this because of the shoddy cultural framework present in Uganda.

[Duhon]

I mean it's nice that some people are pointing out the American influence behind this but it's also very disappointing that some people are trying to defend it.

A. No one's doing that
B. This is England's fault, they're the ones who owned Uganda (America only has 1 African colony, and that was on the West Coast)

liberia was an independent country from its inception, if i recall correctly
whatever its de facto status as an american concern, it was de jure a sovereign state

[New haven america]

Not really. They still have those opinions. The only difference is that those people are making laws in Uganda.

Fundies are in government here, and we yet don't have those laws. The institutional foundations of the west are much stronger.

America only legalized gay marriage in 2016, and it took until 2005 for the majority of Americans to believe LGBT people should even exist, and LGBT people are still the only group that's legally allowed to be discriminated against.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Fundies are in government here, and we yet don't have those laws. The institutional foundations of the west are much stronger.

That depends how you define West. There aren't many fundamentalists in the governments in western Europe.

When I say "here", I mean America. I should be clear.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

A. No one's doing that

LMAO what else do you call "uhh actually evangelical leader X technically actually didn't" or "they have a right to free speech"

B. This is England's fault, they're the ones who owned Uganda (America only has 1 African colony, and that was on the West Coast)

No

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Fundies are in government here, and we yet don't have those laws. The institutional foundations of the west are much stronger.

America only legalized gay marriage in 2016, and it took until 2005 for the majority of Americans to believe LGBT people should even exist, and LGBT people are still the only group that's legally allowed to be discriminated against.

It's not perfect, but they were never *executed* here, and certainly not in a time when they had the science to know that it was okay.

[New haven america]

A. No one's doing that
B. This is England's fault, they're the ones who owned Uganda (America only has 1 African colony, and that was on the West Coast)

liberia was an independent country from its inception, if i recall correctly
whatever its de facto status as an american concern, it was de jure a sovereign state

For the first 20 or so years of it's existence it was a colony of the US.

[Geneviev]

That depends how you define West. There aren't many fundamentalists in the governments in western Europe.

When I say "here", I mean America. I should be clear.

In that case, I don't think you're much better. There's those religious freedom acts and the bathroom bills.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

When I say "here", I mean America. I should be clear.

In that case, I don't think you're much better. There's those religious freedom acts and the bathroom bills.

I think that's an unfair comparison. Discrimination is terrible, yes, but it pales in comparison to death penalties.

[New haven america]

A. No one's doing that

1. LMAO what else do you call "uhh actually evangelical leader X technically actually didn't" or "they have a right to free speech"

B. This is England's fault, they're the ones who owned Uganda (America only has 1 African colony, and that was on the West Coast)

2. No

1. Evangelicals exist in Europe and Africa too. Gen for example is a former German Evangelical.
2. Care to expand upon that? Or are you just gonna conveniently forget the fact that the UK controlled Uganda up until 1962?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

1. LMAO what else do you call "uhh actually evangelical leader X technically actually didn't" or "they have a right to free speech"


2. No

1. Evangelicals exist in Europe ad Africa too. Gen for example is a former German Evangelical.
2. Care to expand upon that? Or are you just gonna conveniently forget the fact that the UK controlled Uganda up until 1962?

1. Sorry I mean American evangelicals as I have specified previously
2. And?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

anyway "freedom of speech" stopped meaning shit after RTLM killed somewhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000 people

[Nakena]

There was an segment on Uganda in Stephen Fry's documentary "Out there" which is available on YouTube.

Part One features the Uganda one.

[Geneviev]

In that case, I don't think you're much better. There's those religious freedom acts and the bathroom bills.

I think that's an unfair comparison. Discrimination is terrible, yes, but it pales in comparison to death penalties.

Refusing medical care could be considered a death penalty.

1. LMAO what else do you call "uhh actually evangelical leader X technically actually didn't" or "they have a right to free speech"


2. No

1. Evangelicals exist in Europe and Africa too. Gen for example is a former German Evangelical.
2. Care to expand upon that? Or are you just gonna conveniently forget the fact that the UK controlled Uganda up until 1962?

I was going to correct you, but then I saw former.

But yes, there are a few evangelicals in Europe too.

[New haven america]

America only legalized gay marriage in 2016, and it took until 2005 for the majority of Americans to believe LGBT people should even exist, and LGBT people are still the only group that's legally allowed to be discriminated against.

It's not perfect, but they were never *executed* here, and certainly not in a time when they had the science to know that it was okay.

You're right, we just sent them to insane asylums where they were tortured and lobotomized and forced to live the rest of their lives in a cage until they died and were cremated or dissected and buried in unmarked graves.

You know, I honestly can't tell you which one would be worse. At least in Uganda it'd be quick and painless.

[New haven america]

1. Evangelicals exist in Europe ad Africa too. Gen for example is a former German Evangelical.
2. Care to expand upon that? Or are you just gonna conveniently forget the fact that the UK controlled Uganda up until 1962?

1. Sorry I mean American evangelicals as I have specified previously
2. And?

1. You obviously did not and are now backtracking in order to salvage your argument.
2. Uganda's anti-homosexuality and a lot of anti-homosexual behavior in Africa is the UK's fault.

[New haven america]

A. A decent chunk of the West has not
B. Yeah, uh, this hatred of homosexuals in a lot of the world comes from Western Christian culture and influences

I get that, but again, they're successful there and not here in doing this because of the shoddy cultural framework present in Uganda.

Is that why being LGBT is still illegal in Eastern Europe?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

1. Sorry I mean American evangelicals as I have specified previously
2. And?

1. You obviously did not and are now backtracking in order to salvage your argument.
2. Uganda's anti-homosexuality and a lot of anti-homosexual behavior in Africa is the UK's fault.

1. I'm pretty sure I know what I meant, actually
2. lol are you trying to shift responsibility here

[New haven america]

1. You obviously did not and are now backtracking in order to salvage your argument.
2. Uganda's anti-homosexuality and a lot of anti-homosexual behavior in Africa is the UK's fault.

1. I'm pretty sure I know what I meant, actually
2. lol are you trying to shift responsibility here

1. No, I do not, and it seems you didn't either.
2. No, I'm pointing out who's originally responsible for this behavior by reminding you that the British Empire controlled much more of Africa and Christianized more of Africa than the US could've ever dreamed of or cared to.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

1. I'm pretty sure I know what I meant, actually
2. lol are you trying to shift responsibility here

1. No, I do not, and it seems you didn't either.
2. No, I'm pointing out who's originally responsible for this behavior by reminding you that the British Empire controlled much more of Africa and Christianized more of Africa than the US could've ever dreamed of or cared to.

1. You seem to be getting a bit confused, but yeah actually I do know what I mean and I don't know why you'd decide to disagree on that
2. Just go the whole way and blame humanity for existing

[Munkcestrian Republic]

1. No, I do not, and it seems you didn't either.
2. No, I'm pointing out who's originally responsible for this behavior by reminding you that the British Empire controlled much more of Africa and Christianized more of Africa than the US could've ever dreamed of or cared to.

1. You seem to be getting a bit confused, but yeah actually I do know what I mean and I don't know why you'd decide to disagree on that
2. Just go the whole way and blame humanity for existing

(and now I'm going to bed)

[New haven america]

1. You seem to be getting a bit confused, but yeah actually I do know what I mean and I don't know why you'd decide to disagree on that
2. Just go the whole way and blame humanity for existing

(and now I'm going to bed)

This is called running away, it's generally done when people know that their argument doesn't hold up.

No shame in admitting it, when I was new I did the same thing.