Right, forgot you enjoy getting a rise out of people.
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by Gormwood » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:04 pm
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:06 pm
by Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:08 pm
by Necroghastia » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:11 pm
by Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:13 pm
Necroghastia wrote:Greed and Death wrote:
It is a Democratically elected government regime changing them would be against international law.
Maybe if they had a lot of oil and were threatening to cut off the world from that oil it could be made legal.
Pretty sure genocide is also against international law.
by Gormwood » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:14 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Gormwood wrote:Right, forgot you enjoy getting a rise out of people.
Do you have a source that the Evangelicals bribed the Government of Uganda for this law ?
Failing that do you have a source that Evangelicals threatened to withhold missionary work unless this law was passed ?
No such source exists because otherwise that would have been brought up when Scott Lively was sued by the gay people of Uganda.
by Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:23 pm
Gormwood wrote:Greed and Death wrote:
Do you have a source that the Evangelicals bribed the Government of Uganda for this law ?
Failing that do you have a source that Evangelicals threatened to withhold missionary work unless this law was passed ?
No such source exists because otherwise that would have been brought up when Scott Lively was sued by the gay people of Uganda.
You find nothing wrong with lobbying for legal persecution and execution of LGBTs for nonviolence. Speaks volumes.
by Gormwood » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:27 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Gormwood wrote:You find nothing wrong with lobbying for legal persecution and execution of LGBTs for nonviolence. Speaks volumes.
Morally absolutely. Legally no.
Also you are now moving the goal posts previously it was about money. Now its strictly about lobbying, You get to lobby for anything.
In this particular case the Lobbying was done publicly in the form of public speeches by Scott Lively. He spoke on the gay Agenda in a manner eerily reminiscent of Adolf Hitler except where Hitler might have spoke about Jewish people Lively spoke about gay people. Unlike Hitler however Lively did not attempt to become dictator of Uganda he just gave his gay conspiracy speeches and went back to America.
by Genivaria » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:27 pm
Critics of the legislation say it is not homosexuality that has been imported from the West, but homophobia. Roger Ross Williams, the director of God Loves Uganda, a documentary about the influence of conservative US Christians in the East African nation, said, “The anti-homosexuality bill would never have come about without the involvement of American fundamentalist evangelicals.”
One of the first to investigate links between American conservatives and the African anti-gay movement was Kipya Kaoma, a Zambian clergyman living in Boston. Homosexuality was illegal in Uganda under existing colonial laws, he explained, “But nobody was ever arrested or prosecuted based on those old laws. People turned a blind eye to it. Homosexuality was not a political issue.”
That changed in 2009, Rev Kaoma said, when a group of American evangelicals led by Pastor Scott Lively, a self-proclaimed expert on the “gay movement”, held a series of talks in Uganda. Mr Lively warned audiences that the “evil institution” of homosexuality sought to “prey upon” and recruit Ugandan children in a bid to “defeat the marriage-based society”.
As the gay rights movement has gained traction in the United States, the more virulently homophobic ideologies of the religious right have been pushed further out of the mainstream and into fringe territory. But as their influence has waned at home, right-wing evangelists from the United States have been flexing their sanctimonious muscles influencing policymakers in Africa.
For years now, evangelical activists from the United States have been injecting themselves into African politics, speaking out against homosexuality and cheering on antigay legislation on the continent. The influence of these groups has been well documented in Uganda. The now-defunct Exodus International, for example, sent Don Schmierer, a board member, to Uganda in 2009 to speak at a conference alongside Scott Lively, a pastor who was later sued by a Ugandan gay rights group for his role in promoting human rights violations against LGBTQ people. The two participated in a disturbing antigay conference, where speakers blamed homosexuals for the rise of Nazism and the Rwandan genocide, among other abhorrent acts. Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, a hard-right Christian group that is active in US politics as well, similarly supported antigay laws in Uganda. At the peak of the controversy over the “kill the gays” bill, Perkins praised the Ugandan president for “leading his nation to repentance.”
by Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:32 pm
Genivaria wrote:There is a demonstrable link between American evangelists and this extreme hate movement in Uganda and they need to be taken to account for it.Critics of the legislation say it is not homosexuality that has been imported from the West, but homophobia. Roger Ross Williams, the director of God Loves Uganda, a documentary about the influence of conservative US Christians in the East African nation, said, “The anti-homosexuality bill would never have come about without the involvement of American fundamentalist evangelicals.”
One of the first to investigate links between American conservatives and the African anti-gay movement was Kipya Kaoma, a Zambian clergyman living in Boston. Homosexuality was illegal in Uganda under existing colonial laws, he explained, “But nobody was ever arrested or prosecuted based on those old laws. People turned a blind eye to it. Homosexuality was not a political issue.”
That changed in 2009, Rev Kaoma said, when a group of American evangelicals led by Pastor Scott Lively, a self-proclaimed expert on the “gay movement”, held a series of talks in Uganda. Mr Lively warned audiences that the “evil institution” of homosexuality sought to “prey upon” and recruit Ugandan children in a bid to “defeat the marriage-based society”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 93593.htmlAs the gay rights movement has gained traction in the United States, the more virulently homophobic ideologies of the religious right have been pushed further out of the mainstream and into fringe territory. But as their influence has waned at home, right-wing evangelists from the United States have been flexing their sanctimonious muscles influencing policymakers in Africa.
For years now, evangelical activists from the United States have been injecting themselves into African politics, speaking out against homosexuality and cheering on antigay legislation on the continent. The influence of these groups has been well documented in Uganda. The now-defunct Exodus International, for example, sent Don Schmierer, a board member, to Uganda in 2009 to speak at a conference alongside Scott Lively, a pastor who was later sued by a Ugandan gay rights group for his role in promoting human rights violations against LGBTQ people. The two participated in a disturbing antigay conference, where speakers blamed homosexuals for the rise of Nazism and the Rwandan genocide, among other abhorrent acts. Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, a hard-right Christian group that is active in US politics as well, similarly supported antigay laws in Uganda. At the peak of the controversy over the “kill the gays” bill, Perkins praised the Ugandan president for “leading his nation to repentance.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/its-n ... ht-africa/
by Rojava Free State » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:33 pm
Necroghastia wrote:Greed and Death wrote:
It is a Democratically elected government regime changing them would be against international law.
Maybe if they had a lot of oil and were threatening to cut off the world from that oil it could be made legal.
Pretty sure genocide is also against international law.
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by Necroghastia » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:34 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Genivaria wrote:There is a demonstrable link between American evangelists and this extreme hate movement in Uganda and they need to be taken to account for it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 93593.html
https://www.thenation.com/article/its-n ... ht-africa/
So he publicly advocated for things you don't like.
Yes that would be what the first amendment protects.
by Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:37 pm
by Neutraligon » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:43 pm
by Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:48 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Greed and Death wrote:The exception to free speech for incitement to violence it is imminent lawless action.
Did he call on the crowd to immediately go lynch some gays ? No. Then we are in protected speech land.
I believe the line is a little more gray then that. That being said, there is nothing illegal about advocating certain actions should fall under the death penalty.
by Neutraligon » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:57 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Neutraligon wrote:I believe the line is a little more gray then that. That being said, there is nothing illegal about advocating certain actions should fall under the death penalty.
Yes I am going to use less specif language when dealing with non lawyers. Otherwise I get an endless trail of but this, sorry this doesn't apply because of that and that.
I only want specifics when I am dealing with derivatives because then I am getting paid for it.
by Luminesa » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:11 pm
Gormwood wrote:Greed and Death wrote:
Do you have a source that the Evangelicals bribed the Government of Uganda for this law ?
Failing that do you have a source that Evangelicals threatened to withhold missionary work unless this law was passed ?
No such source exists because otherwise that would have been brought up when Scott Lively was sued by the gay people of Uganda.
You find nothing wrong with lobbying for legal persecution and execution of LGBTs for nonviolence. Speaks volumes.
by Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:33 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Greed and Death wrote:
Yes I am going to use less specif language when dealing with non lawyers. Otherwise I get an endless trail of but this, sorry this doesn't apply because of that and that.
I only want specifics when I am dealing with derivatives because then I am getting paid for it.
Makes sense to me.
by Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:42 pm
Luminesa wrote:Gormwood wrote:You find nothing wrong with lobbying for legal persecution and execution of LGBTs for nonviolence. Speaks volumes.
He literally just said he found something wrong with how the international community does nothing when LGBT people are attacked in this way. Right above your post.
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:45 pm
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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Yet another reason Western civilization is superior to African cultures.
by Greed and Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:55 pm
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Yet another reason Western civilization is superior to African cultures.
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