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Turkey begins military offensive in Syria/Rojava

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:21 am
by Nakena
NakNews presents you a thread to the hottest topic of the last days the inbound ongoing turkish intervention in northern Syria which is directed against the YPG held terretories also known as Rojava.

This military operation is being conducted by the Turkish Armed Forces and Syrian National Army (SNA) against the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (NES).

Obligatory OP Sauce:
Guardian wrote:Turkey launches military operation in northern Syria

The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has said that a long-planned Turkish military operation in north-east Syria has begun, as Kurdish forces which currently control of the area reported widespread airstrikes and “huge panic”.

The move was triggered by Donald Trump’s announcement at the weekend that US troops would withdraw from the area, where thousands of captured Isis fighters and their families are held by Kurdish forces, and threatens to open a bloody new front in the Syrian war.

“The Turkish Armed Forces, together with the Syrian National Army, just launched #OperationPeaceSpring against PKK/YPG and Daesh [Isis] terrorists in northern Syria. Our mission is to prevent the creation of a terror corridor across our southern border, and to bring peace to the area,” Erdoğan tweeted on Wednesday.

Mustafa Bali, spokesman for the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), which Ankara considers an extension of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ party (PKK), confirmed shortly after Erdoğan’s announcement that Turkish warplanes had already begun attacking the region, creating a “huge panic among people”. An SDF soldier shared photographs of plumes of smoke, which he said was the result of airstrikes and artillery fire near the border town of Ras al-Ayn.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based war monitor, said civilians in Ras al-Ayn and neighbouring villages had begun fleeing deeper inside the Kurdish-held region. Qamishli and Ain Issa, key administrative centres for the SDF, were hit by airstrikes, a spokesman said.

The Turkish Anadolu news agency said rockets fired from Qamishli had landed on the other side of the border in Nusaybin.
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Earlier in the day, Turkish forces crossed the border near the town of Tal Abyad.

Turkey says it is seeking to establish a 20-mile (32km) deep safe zone along the border to secure the country against the threat of what it says are Kurdish terror groups as well as Isis.

Trump has tasked Turkey with ensuring that gains made against Isis, which was driven from the remains of its territorial “caliphate” earlier this year by US-led air and Kurdish-led ground forces, are not undone, as well as the responsibility for almost 90,000 men, women and children with links to the terror group currently held by the Kurds.

The largest camp for women and children, al-Hawl, is home to 74,000 people, and lies outside the parameters of the proposed safe zone. It is not clear how Turkey will handle the transfer of prisoners from SDF custody.

The SDF, a US-backed force, is Turkey’s main target. The umbrella force has been left exposed to a Turkish assault after Trump’s announcement on Sunday that the US would remove the 1,000 special forces posted in the region, which have to date acted as a buffer between the SDF and Turkey, the US’s Nato ally and a key trade partner.

Meanwhile, forces belonging to the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, have also been on the move to the South of Syria’s Kurdish-held region, leaving the SDF pinched between the two.
Trump's withdrawal of US troops from Syria

Between 100 to 150 US troops have been moved away from key positions on the Syrian-Turkish border, the Guardian understands. No troops have left the country yet, and convoys of US supplies have continued to enter the region from Iraq.

Trump’s decision to pull back US troops from Syria leaving the SDF vulnerable to attack has been widely criticised by allies and even some of the president’s staunchest Republican allies.

The president defended the move on Wednesday, citing a focus on the “BIG PICTURE!” in a tweet. “GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY!” he said.

Apart from that tweet, the US administration was silent on the Turkish invasion on Wednesday. Secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, appeared alongside Colombia’s visiting foreign minister, but did not mention the situation in Syria.

In Congress however, senators from both parties said they were preparing severe sanctions against Turkey.

“Turkey must pay a heavy price for attacking our Syrian Kurdish partners,” Democratic senator, Chris van Hollen said on Twitter. “Senators on both sides of the aisle won’t support abandoning the one regional group most responsible for putting Isis on its heels. Our bipartisan sanctions bill is being finalized now.”

The five European countries currently on the UN security council have called for a special session on the Turkish invasion on Thursday, but diplomats said it was unclear what far the council could go in the face of tacit Russian support for the Turkish move and US ambivalence.

Aid groups have warned the withdrawal risks a humanitarian catastrophe as thousands flee the expected fighting , as well as the re-emergence of Isis. The SDF says it has already withdrawn some soldiers from the prisons and camps holding Isis members to focus on defending against Turkey, raising fears that Isis sleeper cells could attack and liberate those inside.
Areas of control in Syria

Isis claimed an overnight suicide attack by two of its fighters in its former capital Raqqa, which killed and injured 25 people.

In response to Turkish advances, Kurdish leaders in the area issued a general mobilisation call, urging civlians to “head to the border with Turkey ... to resist during this delicate historical moment”. The SDF has resumed digging trenches and tunnels in the border areas, covering streets with metal canopies and stockpiling tyres to burn to block the cameras of Turkish drones.

Kurdish officials also said that they have asked Russia, Assad’s major ally, to facilitate a dialogue with Damascus. The Kurds risk losing the autonomy they won during Syria’s eight-year-old war by realigning with the Syrian regime but such a move is likely to stave off the worst of a Turkish attack.

A secondary goal of Turkey’s Operation Peace Spring is to repatriate up to 2 million of the country’s 3.6 million Syrian refugees inside the planned border zone. The Kurds say Ankara’s real goal is to dilute their demographic dominance of the north-east with an influx of mostly Sunni Arab refugees originally from other parts of Syria.


Sauces:

Guardian Sauce: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... ia-erdogan

Alternative and live update Sauce: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/ ... 45495.html

Syria Livemap: https://syria.liveuamap.com/ < this is being permanently updated.

Wikiarticle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Peace_Spring

Orbat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_ ... _offensive

Update: stuff just got real:
Ankara informed Damascus of offensive, Turkish FM says

Turkey sent a diplomatic note to Syria's consulate in Istanbul to inform Damascus about its cross-border operation into northeast Syria, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said shortly after Ankara launched the offensive.

Speaking to reporters in Algeria, Cavusoglu said Turkey's operation was based on its rights related to international law and added that Ankara had informed all the necessary actors, including the United Nations and NATO.


Since this has been discussed at lenght in the MAGA Thread before, its high time for this getting its own exclusive special dedicated thread. The topic is the turkish invasion of the YPG held terretories in northern Syria also known as Rojava. You know what to do.

Obligatory OP-opinion: I am a bit torn on the issue as I am still getting updated but I personally don't really trust the claims of either side regarding this matter. Uh oh.

To be expanded and updated as this is an ongoing event.

UPDATE 2: Poll added and reformatted

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:22 am
by Loben The 2nd
Turkey has every right to do this.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:27 am
by Gormwood
Exodus of Kurdish refugees and people are going to ask "Why?"

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:28 am
by Loben The 2nd
Gormwood wrote:Exodus of Kurdish refugees and people are going to ask "Why?"

Not like they can go anywhere but further east.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:29 am
by West Leas Oros 2
I predict war crimes in your futures.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:30 am
by Atholl
The Kurds should have gotten their own state long ago.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:33 am
by Horde
Loben The 2nd wrote:Turkey has every right to do this.


The depth of your compassion is remarkable.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:35 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
Well, I don't know how to feel about this.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:36 am
by LiberNovusAmericae
Horde wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Turkey has every right to do this.


The depth of your compassion is remarkable.

Indeed.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:39 am
by Pacomia
Atholl wrote:The Kurds should have gotten their own state long ago.

Agreed.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:42 am
by Arcturus Novus
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I predict war crimes in your futures.

It’s practically a guarantee. Turkey’s been waiting to take out the Kurdish thorn in its side for too long. Shame that it’s gotta go down like this.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:42 am
by Florentiam
I love how EU just said "Omg, please, we are so worry about a possible war, oh PLEASE,don't go to war, PLEASE. WE CAN TALK"

The only good talk could be a peacekeeping force there. Kurds have died for protecting our lands and our people from jihadist and this is how we repay them? With "strong words"?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:45 am
by Arcturus Novus
Florentiam wrote:I love how EU just said "Omg, please, we are so worry about a possible war, oh PLEASE,don't go to war, PLEASE. WE CAN TALK"

The only good talk could be a peacekeeping force there. Kurds have died for protecting our lands and our people from jihadist and this is how we repay them? With "strong words"?

Almost like it’s just lip service, and now that the Kurds have been used to their potential, people don’t care about them.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:46 am
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom
I guarantee dictator Erdogan will never give the oil fields and natural gas back to Syria once he takes it.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:55 am
by Florentiam
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:I guarantee dictator Erdogan will never give the oil fields and natural gas back to Syria once he takes it.


And that puzzles me. Assad is a dictator like Erdogan, how can he possibly allow another State to cross your borders and violate your sovereignty so batlanty? Jeez, Turkey is literally invading you, US doesn't care and you don't raise a single word against it?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:56 am
by Page
I hope that Rojava resists Turkish aggression and makes them pay for every inch of land they take.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:57 am
by Gravlen
This will probably be quite bad.

Notable that the US (yet again) leaves allies to be killed.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:57 am
by San Carlos Islands
Meh. Could care less. Just glad American troops are coming home.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:57 am
by Nakena
Florentiam wrote:
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:I guarantee dictator Erdogan will never give the oil fields and natural gas back to Syria once he takes it.


And that puzzles me. Assad is a dictator like Erdogan, how can he possibly allow another State to enter so batlanty and violate its sovereignty? Jeez, Turkey is literally invading you, US doesn't care and you don't raise a single word against it?


Supposedly Erdogan just wants to conquer a "strip" in northern Syria as buffer zone but chances are he will go for all the cake and grab the wholesome of it down to the Euphrates.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:59 am
by Olde Carolina
Florentiam wrote:
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:I guarantee dictator Erdogan will never give the oil fields and natural gas back to Syria once he takes it.


And that puzzles me. Assad is a dictator like Erdogan, how can he possibly allow another State to cross your borders and violate your sovereignty so batlanty? Jeez, Turkey is literally invading you, US doesn't care and you don't raise a single word against it?


Assad is probably too weak right now to stand against Turkey seeing as he barely won the Syrian civil war, and that with lots of help from Russia.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:59 am
by Major-Tom
Loben The 2nd wrote:Turkey has every right to do this.


You're fun.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:02 am
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana
Turkey has full rights to do this, as Rojava continues its persecution of Arabs. I’m hoping Assad comes out on top at the end of all this, he’s definitely least of all the evils in this conflict

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:02 am
by Gravlen
Florentiam wrote:
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:I guarantee dictator Erdogan will never give the oil fields and natural gas back to Syria once he takes it.


And that puzzles me. Assad is a dictator like Erdogan, how can he possibly allow another State to cross your borders and violate your sovereignty so batlanty? Jeez, Turkey is literally invading you, US doesn't care and you don't raise a single word against it?

The territory in question is already far outside Syrian government control.

This map is from march, but the front lines haven't move significantly since then. The attacks now are happening in the north-eastern part of the map.

Here's a live-updated map of the situation.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:06 am
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana
San Carlos Islands wrote:Meh. Could care less. Just glad American troops are coming home.

We are on the wrong side of the conflict

PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:07 am
by Major-Tom
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Turkey has full rights to do this, as Rojava continues its persecution of Arabs. I’m hoping Assad comes out on top at the end of all this, he’s definitely least of all the evils in this conflict


Sure, the Rojava government has a bad track record in regards to killing of opponents, many of whom are Arab, but to take that and suddenly leap to the conclusion that "Assad is the most moral here" is asinine. Turkey is descending into an authoritarian hellscape, sure, and the Rojava government may not be the trendsetter of human rights that many would like to believe, granted, but Assad is a megalomaniacal tyrant who frequently slaughters his own people.