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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:16 pm
by Wallenburg
Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/MDE2425032015ENGLISH.PDF


That Amnesty International report is by and large trash that tries to corroborate a Turkish narrative of the YPG committing ethnic cleansing. It's also been debunked.

As for the displacements, those literally happened because the villages hadn't yet been secured and still featured an ISIS presence. It was an act of military necessity.

Also, now US troops are being bombed by Turkey.

A reminder that we aren't actually pulling out of Syria, we're just sitting around and letting Turkey invade.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:17 pm
by United Muscovite Nations
Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/MDE2425032015ENGLISH.PDF


That Amnesty International report is by and large trash that tries to corroborate a Turkish narrative of the YPG committing ethnic cleansing. It's also been debunked.

As for the displacements, those literally happened because the villages hadn't yet been secured and still featured an ISIS presence. It was an act of military necessity.

Also, now US troops are being bombed by Turkey.

It's not been debunked, and it's not trying to corroborate a Turkish narrative, it's trying to give voice to a small minority within Northern Syria. Moreover, if it was an act of military necessity, why were the refugees not permitted to return?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:58 pm
by Loben The 2nd
Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/MDE2425032015ENGLISH.PDF


That Amnesty International report is by and large trash that tries to corroborate a Turkish narrative of the YPG committing ethnic cleansing. It's also been debunked.

As for the displacements, those literally happened because the villages hadn't yet been secured and still featured an ISIS presence. It was an act of military necessity.

Also, now US troops are being bombed by Turkey.


by mistake

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:15 pm
by Torrocca
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That Amnesty International report is by and large trash that tries to corroborate a Turkish narrative of the YPG committing ethnic cleansing. It's also been debunked.

As for the displacements, those literally happened because the villages hadn't yet been secured and still featured an ISIS presence. It was an act of military necessity.

Also, now US troops are being bombed by Turkey.

It's not been debunked, and it's not trying to corroborate a Turkish narrative, it's trying to give voice to a small minority within Northern Syria. Moreover, if it was an act of military necessity, why were the refugees not permitted to return?


Claims of ethnic cleansing by Rojava is very much a Turkish narrative that Amnesty is trying to peddle.

How do you expect them to reinhabit completely demolished homes, exactly?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:29 pm
by Rojava Free State
Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/MDE2425032015ENGLISH.PDF


That Amnesty International report is by and large trash that tries to corroborate a Turkish narrative of the YPG committing ethnic cleansing. It's also been debunked.

As for the displacements, those literally happened because the villages hadn't yet been secured and still featured an ISIS presence. It was an act of military necessity.

Also, now US troops are being bombed by Turkey.


Time to bomb the Turkish army. I doubt we will though since America is basically running away from Turkey instead of standing up to the aggression of a tyrant

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:30 pm
by Rojava Free State
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That Amnesty International report is by and large trash that tries to corroborate a Turkish narrative of the YPG committing ethnic cleansing. It's also been debunked.

As for the displacements, those literally happened because the villages hadn't yet been secured and still featured an ISIS presence. It was an act of military necessity.

Also, now US troops are being bombed by Turkey.


by mistake


Ladies and gentlemen, loben caping again for the islamofascist state of turkey.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:30 pm
by Rojava Free State
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/is ... MZN#page=2


And now ISIS is back in business. Ladies and gentlemen I see this as an absolute loss

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:34 pm
by Gormwood
Rojava Free State wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/isis-rears-its-head-adding-to-chaos-as-turkey-battles-kurds/ar-AAIDaQw?ocid=AMZN#page=2


And now ISIS is back in business. Ladies and gentlemen I see this as an absolute loss

But we can tell the Kurds to fuck off and die, ISIS is no more!

Also, North Korea has denuclearized and Mexico paid for the wall.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:42 pm
by The Greater Ohio Valley
Expel Turkey from NATO, they’re nothing more than a liability and a turncoat in waiting now.
Aureumterra wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Forced displacement is never good. But let's not pretend that the YPG are perfectly innocent and have never committed terrorist actions or forced people from their homes as refugees, who need to be returned. There are reasons there are groups within Rojava's territory who support the Turkish operation.

I’ve given up trying to convince socialists that Rojava isn’t perfect

I don’t seem to recall anyone claiming that Rojava is perfect.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:46 pm
by United Muscovite Nations
Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's not been debunked, and it's not trying to corroborate a Turkish narrative, it's trying to give voice to a small minority within Northern Syria. Moreover, if it was an act of military necessity, why were the refugees not permitted to return?


Claims of ethnic cleansing by Rojava is very much a Turkish narrative that Amnesty is trying to peddle.

How do you expect them to reinhabit completely demolished homes, exactly?

Why do you think that? Amnesty has been extremely critical of the Turkish government.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:55 pm
by Wallenburg
Rojava Free State wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That Amnesty International report is by and large trash that tries to corroborate a Turkish narrative of the YPG committing ethnic cleansing. It's also been debunked.

As for the displacements, those literally happened because the villages hadn't yet been secured and still featured an ISIS presence. It was an act of military necessity.

Also, now US troops are being bombed by Turkey.


Time to bomb the Turkish army. I doubt we will though since America is basically running away from Turkey instead of standing up to the aggression of a tyrant

Let's not? There's an enormous amount of middle ground between letting Turkey murder the Kurds and going full Iraq on Turkey.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:59 pm
by United Muscovite Nations
Rojava Free State wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That Amnesty International report is by and large trash that tries to corroborate a Turkish narrative of the YPG committing ethnic cleansing. It's also been debunked.

As for the displacements, those literally happened because the villages hadn't yet been secured and still featured an ISIS presence. It was an act of military necessity.

Also, now US troops are being bombed by Turkey.


Time to bomb the Turkish army. I doubt we will though since America is basically running away from Turkey instead of standing up to the aggression of a tyrant

Of course, you realize, this would trigger article 5 of NATO.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:39 pm
by Loben The 2nd
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Time to bomb the Turkish army. I doubt we will though since America is basically running away from Turkey instead of standing up to the aggression of a tyrant

Of course, you realize, this would trigger article 5 of NATO.


which is

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:54 pm
by Napkizemlja
Rojava Free State wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That Amnesty International report is by and large trash that tries to corroborate a Turkish narrative of the YPG committing ethnic cleansing. It's also been debunked.

As for the displacements, those literally happened because the villages hadn't yet been secured and still featured an ISIS presence. It was an act of military necessity.

Also, now US troops are being bombed by Turkey.


Time to bomb the Turkish army. I doubt we will though since America is basically running away from Turkey instead of standing up to the aggression of a tyrant

Should Canadian military personnel been allowed to bomb American personnel in Afghanistan?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:07 pm
by Ifreann
Loben The 2nd wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Of course, you realize, this would trigger article 5 of NATO.


which is

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=article+5+of+nato

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:14 pm
by Rojava Free State
Napkizemlja wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Time to bomb the Turkish army. I doubt we will though since America is basically running away from Turkey instead of standing up to the aggression of a tyrant

Should Canadian military personnel been allowed to bomb American personnel in Afghanistan?


We don't bomb Canadians though. The US may not be the sanest nation, but Turkey wins in the delusional races

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:16 pm
by Ifreann
Rojava Free State wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Should Canadian military personnel been allowed to bomb American personnel in Afghanistan?


We don't bomb Canadians though. The US may not be the sanest nation, but Turkey wins in the delusional races

American troops have accidentally fired on friendly soldiers on many occasions. It happens all the time in war. So often that there's a name for it. Friendly fire.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:22 pm
by The Black Forrest
Rojava Free State wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Should Canadian military personnel been allowed to bomb American personnel in Afghanistan?


We don't bomb Canadians though. The US may not be the sanest nation, but Turkey wins in the delusional races


Eh? Look up Tarnak Farm.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:23 pm
by The Black Forrest
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
We don't bomb Canadians though. The US may not be the sanest nation, but Turkey wins in the delusional races

American troops have accidentally fired on friendly soldiers on many occasions. It happens all the time in war. So often that there's a name for it. Friendly fire.


You are assuming it’s an accident. . :eyebrow:

At least we aren’t the drop shorts.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:26 pm
by Torrocca
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Claims of ethnic cleansing by Rojava is very much a Turkish narrative that Amnesty is trying to peddle.

How do you expect them to reinhabit completely demolished homes, exactly?

Why do you think that? Amnesty has been extremely critical of the Turkish government.


Because other organizations investigated the claims of ethnic cleansing and found no corroborating evidence. Because Erdogan despises the Kurds, and especially because Rojava's existence as a Libertarian Socialist movement threatens the continued existence of the Turkish state.

Speaking of which, it's both incredibly odd and incredibly infuriating that you're choosing to play ball for a Fascist-like regime by vilifying Rojava and making apologetics for Turkish attacks on civilians in Rojava when you call yourself an Anarchist.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:28 pm
by Dooom35796821595
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Time to bomb the Turkish army. I doubt we will though since America is basically running away from Turkey instead of standing up to the aggression of a tyrant

Of course, you realize, this would trigger article 5 of NATO.


You mean that security agreement which is basically America saves you from the Russians? Yeah, I doubt anyone will take Turkeys side in that fight.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:34 pm
by Rojava Free State
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Of course, you realize, this would trigger article 5 of NATO.


You mean that security agreement which is basically America saves you from the Russians? Yeah, I doubt anyone will take Turkeys side in that fight.


Turkey legit needs and deserves to suffer a horrific war for their behind the scenes aid to ISIS alone. We're fighting ISIS but won't fight ISIS's biggest allies. In other words this war isn't serious

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:48 pm
by Wallenburg
Rojava Free State wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
You mean that security agreement which is basically America saves you from the Russians? Yeah, I doubt anyone will take Turkeys side in that fight.


Turkey legit needs and deserves to suffer a horrific war for their behind the scenes aid to ISIS alone. We're fighting ISIS but won't fight ISIS's biggest allies. In other words this war isn't serious

Good to know you support needless bloodshed and atrocities against entire nations, just those YOU don't like.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:48 pm
by Napkizemlja
Rojava Free State wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Should Canadian military personnel been allowed to bomb American personnel in Afghanistan?


We don't bomb Canadians though. The US may not be the sanest nation, but Turkey wins in the delusional races

You sure?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:08 pm
by United Muscovite Nations
Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Why do you think that? Amnesty has been extremely critical of the Turkish government.


Because other organizations investigated the claims of ethnic cleansing and found no corroborating evidence. Because Erdogan despises the Kurds, and especially because Rojava's existence as a Libertarian Socialist movement threatens the continued existence of the Turkish state.

Speaking of which, it's both incredibly odd and incredibly infuriating that you're choosing to play ball for a Fascist-like regime by vilifying Rojava and making apologetics for Turkish attacks on civilians in Rojava when you call yourself an Anarchist.

The UN's inquiry, which is run entirely by allies of the Kurds, conducted investigations and found no evidence. Moreover, none of this proof of Amnesty International's supposed Turkish bias.

I don't care for Turkey's intervention, but I'll note that I haven't heard a peep out of you condemning Rojava bombarding towns in Turkey indiscriminately.