Turkish military offensive in Syria/Rojava

[Bear Stearns]

There will probably a large contingent of American mercenaries now joining the Kurds, similar to how disillusioned Vietnam vets went to go fight for Rhodesia, Biafra, Katanga, South Africa, and the Contras.

There wouldn't have been too many in Katanga, given it was overrun in 1963. Most of them were British, Belgian, and French. Tshombe's final run on things also ended in 1965, despite saving the DRC.

Ah yes, you are correct. American mercenaries were more of a 70s and 80s thing.

As I understand, a lot of the Kantanga guys were ex-Nazis and former French Algerians.

[Stichite Union]

"Of course, this thread isn't specifically about white supremacy. I was only saying that to make a point."

a ultimately useless point i may add.

Why is that?

[Farnhamia]

a ultimately useless point i may add.

Why is that?

Who cares? It's off-topic.

[Duhon]

Turkey gets a lot of dislike and hatred. Something they must be doing right.

If I regularly shit on the front doors of my neighbors' houses and they complain to the police about my relieving myself on their property in public I am not "doing right", I have issues.

[James_xenoland]

The Kurds should have gotten their own state long ago.

This! They are not so slowly becoming the jews 2.0 at this point. :/

The kurds current state and modern problems are one of the US/west and world's biggest travasties. Blame rests on all sides. (political and not) They keep helping and we keep ignoring them as soon as the trouble ends. In the name of "peace" and a quick end to fighting or the prevention of further fighting, or preserving an "alliance" (i.e. agreement to not throw a tantrum over any actions in the area) we pull back and just watch while they get fucked.


Also.. Everybody ready for ISIS round 02? Because the kurds in that area are largely the thing holding the remains of ISIS in check..

[Duhon]

i mean if middle eastern minorities actually got decent treatment they might not hanker for a land of their own so much

as to isis shitting the world again, the proper question is not "are you ready?", but "are trumpsters ready?"
for as soon as they're faced with incontrovertible evidence of daesh, they might as soon claim they're kurds than admit the mistake their chosen one made

[Duhon]

As I recall, someone who generally believes in the superiority of white people. It's literally in the name my dude.

Of course, this thread isn't specifically about white supremacy. I was only saying that to make a point. If someone with toxic beliefs begins speaking toxic rhetoric, all of us are generally obliged to attack that person for holding such vile views. Why is calling out an awful human being for who they are a grievous personal attack? Whether one group of human beings gets to live or die is not something that's up for pleasant political discussion.

white supremacists don't really consider Turks white given their turkic ancestry so you really don't at all seem to know what you're talking about and are just using white supremacist as an insult against anyone you don't like.

as a certain mod said, drop it

[Nakena]

There will probably a large contingent of American mercenaries now joining the Kurds, similar to how disillusioned Vietnam vets went to go fight for Rhodesia, Biafra, Katanga, South Africa, and the Contras.

There have been american mercanary units fighting alongside the Peshmerga in Iraq against ISIS. There are also american individuals amongst the YPG. If they're still active that is.

[ImperialRussia]

avoid a world war sacrifice the Kurds this is turkey business and stability for its region so its job to fix it not us or you risk escalating and losing one of our main allies turkey

[James_xenoland]

i mean if middle eastern minorities actually got decent treatment they might not hanker for a land of their own so much

as to isis shitting the world again, the proper question is not "are you ready?", but "are trumpsters ready?"
for as soon as they're faced with incontrovertible evidence of daesh, they might as soon claim they're kurds than admit the mistake their chosen one made

Yeah, because i'm sure turky holds no responsibility in this or anything.

And shitting on the kurds is not only a bipartisan activity (how quickly everyone forgets obama's flee from iraq in the name of placating certain anti-war groups on the left.. abandoning the kurds (AGAIN) there alone to deal with what became ISIS.. another thing that often gets forgotten. obama's bastard child) but a global one too.

[Vistulange]

Can people step back for one goddamn moment and actually read - I know, it's shocking to request something like this - either Ahmet Davutoğlu's Strategic Depth book, or actual academic responses to that book, before going off on "neo-Ottomanism"?

You guys keep using that word.

It doesn't mean what you think it means, at least not in this context.

[SD_Film Artists]

Can people step back for one goddamn moment and actually read - I know, it's shocking to request something like this - either Ahmet Davutoğlu's Strategic Depth book, or actual academic responses to that book, before going off on "neo-Ottomanism"?

You guys keep using that word.

It doesn't mean what you think it means, at least not in this context.

I'm just waiting for neo-winged hussarism.

[Kowani]

avoid a world war sacrifice the Kurds this is turkey business and stability for its region so its job to fix it not us or you risk escalating and losing one of our main allies turkey

And how exactly would not doing that cause a “world war?”

[Baltenstein]

Can people step back for one goddamn moment and actually read - I know, it's shocking to request something like this - either Ahmet Davutoğlu's Strategic Depth book, or actual academic responses to that book, before going off on "neo-Ottomanism"?

You guys keep using that word.

It doesn't mean what you think it means, at least not in this context.

I'm just waiting for neo-winged hussarism.

You will be waiting a while longer, as Poland´s current leadership, just like Hungary´s, has expressed blatant fanboyism for Erdogan for quite some time now.

[Rojava Free State]

avoid a world war sacrifice the Kurds this is turkey business and stability for its region so its job to fix it not us or you risk escalating and losing one of our main allies turkey

So basically be cowardly? Don't stand up to turkey cause it might cause violence? Just run away?

[Rojava Free State]

Can people step back for one goddamn moment and actually read - I know, it's shocking to request something like this - either Ahmet Davutoğlu's Strategic Depth book, or actual academic responses to that book, before going off on "neo-Ottomanism"?

You guys keep using that word.

It doesn't mean what you think it means, at least not in this context.

Well we all know what it means when erdogan keeps romanticizing the ottoman empire of old and keeps talking like he's in world war I.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm just waiting for neo-winged hussarism.

You will be waiting a while longer, as Poland´s current leadership, just like Hungary´s, has expressed blatant fanboyism for Erdogan for quite some time now.

Strange, I guess they still think that Erdogan is anti-Kremlin.

[-Ocelot-]

This is the world without American imperialism.

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.ibtimes.co.in/isis-fighters ... deo-612629

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n21/patrick-c ... -turkey-on



https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... rder-video

https://www.rt.com/news/238713-isis-com ... -hospital/

Just another friendly reminder for all you folks talking about turkey's supposed legitimate grievances. you basically support a country that is friends with ISIS. We shouldn't have ran, we should have stayed and fought the terrorist enabling turks till the few surviving Turkish soldiers finally made it back across the border with horror in their eyes. Sadly the US just can't win or even fight wars anymore

[Rojava Free State]

This is the world without American imperialism.

I wouldn't use this to promote isolationism. This isn't one of the positives

[-Ocelot-]

This is the world without American imperialism.

I wouldn't use this to promote isolationism. This isn't one of the positives

On the contrary. This is an example of what an isolationist world without "western interventions" looks like. Regional bullies killing minorities indiscriminately. Turkey has a beef with Kurds and they are going to massacre as many as they can, without anyone to stop them.

[Rojava Free State]

I wouldn't use this to promote isolationism. This isn't one of the positives

On the contrary. This is an example of what an isolationist world without "western interventions" looks like. Regional bullies killing minorities indiscriminately. Turkey has a beef with Kurds and they are going to massacre as many as they can, without anyone to stop them.

I see

[Vistulange]

Can people step back for one goddamn moment and actually read - I know, it's shocking to request something like this - either Ahmet Davutoğlu's Strategic Depth book, or actual academic responses to that book, before going off on "neo-Ottomanism"?

You guys keep using that word.

It doesn't mean what you think it means, at least not in this context.

Well we all know what it means when erdogan keeps romanticizing the ottoman empire of old and keeps talking like he's in world war I.

No, that's my bloody point, Rojava. You don't know. You assume, and you assume wrong.

[Ifreann]

I'm just waiting for neo-winged hussarism.

You will be waiting a while longer, as Poland´s current leadership, just like Hungary´s, has expressed blatant fanboyism for Erdogan for quite some time now.

Then the winged hussars arrived
But they're on the Turkish side

[Baltenstein]

You will be waiting a while longer, as Poland´s current leadership, just like Hungary´s, has expressed blatant fanboyism for Erdogan for quite some time now.

Strange, I guess they still think that Erdogan is anti-Kremlin.

I think it's the combination of chest-thumping strongmanship, revanchist xenophobia and whiny self-victimization they find appealing.