Turkish military offensive in Syria/Rojava

[Aureumterra]

Rojava is a piece of shit ethnostate, but they shouldn’t be left to deal with bloodthirsty Turks who will probably cause another genocide

[Torrocca]

Rojava is a piece of shit ethnostate, but they shouldn’t be left to deal with bloodthirsty Turks who will probably cause another genocide

>Rojava
>has numerous local ethnic minority groups including Arabs, Assyrians, and Yazidis, among others, who are treated as equals among the Kurds
>"""ethnostate"""

lol

[Aureumterra]

Are you not aware one Rojava’s treatment of its native Arabs? Or PKK terrorism in Turkey?

The PKK is a natural reaction to long and severe oppression.

Why can’t a single NSG thread go by without someone claiming a civilian-targeting terrorist group is a natural reaction to oppression? Terrorists are terrorists, period.

[Aureumterra]

Rojava is a piece of shit ethnostate, but they shouldn’t be left to deal with bloodthirsty Turks who will probably cause another genocide

>has numerous local ethnic minority groups including Arabs, Assyrians, and Yazidis, among others, who are treated as equals among the Kurds

Bolded claim is… well bold

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

The PKK is a natural reaction to long and severe oppression.

Why can’t a single NSG thread go by without someone claiming a civilian-targeting terrorist group is a natural reaction to oppression? Terrorists are terrorists, period.

Because anarchists love their precious Rojava, it must be shielded from all criticism! Wait they persecute Arabs?! dusts under rug

[Aureumterra]

Why can’t a single NSG thread go by without someone claiming a civilian-targeting terrorist group is a natural reaction to oppression? Terrorists are terrorists, period.

Because anarchists love their precious Rojava, it must be shielded from all criticism! Wait they persecute Arabs?! dusts under rug

There are so many anarchist movements that don’t jail political opponents, why do they choose to love this one?

[Torrocca]

>has numerous local ethnic minority groups including Arabs, Assyrians, and Yazidis, among others, who are treated as equals among the Kurds

Bolded claim is… well bold

It's not bold, it's simple truth. Rojava has been, without a doubt, the single best and most unparalleled piece of the Middle East when it comes to human rights.

[Aureumterra]

Bolded claim is… well bold

It's not bold, it's simple truth. Rojava has been, without a doubt, the single best and most unparalleled piece of the Middle East when it comes to human rights.

Yet there are multiple human rights watch pages on them
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/09/10/syr ... ils-rivals
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/18/syr ... n-enclaves

And even the most leftist news outlets report the human rights abuses

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

It's not bold, it's simple truth. Rojava has been, without a doubt, the single best and most unparalleled piece of the Middle East when it comes to human rights.

Yet there are multiple human rights watch pages on them
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/09/10/syr ... ils-rivals
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/18/syr ... n-enclaves

And even the most leftist news outlets report the human rights abuses

Rojava makes Gaddafi look like a saint in retrospect

[Torrocca]

It's not bold, it's simple truth. Rojava has been, without a doubt, the single best and most unparalleled piece of the Middle East when it comes to human rights.

Yet there are multiple human rights watch pages on them
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/09/10/syr ... ils-rivals
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/18/syr ... n-enclaves

And even the most leftist news outlets report the human rights abuses

Being the best in regards to human rights =/= being literally perfect.

Yes, they have some problems when it comes to human rights, like those above examples, but that's a fucking far-cry from claiming they're an ethnostate.

[Aureumterra]

Yet there are multiple human rights watch pages on them
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/09/10/syr ... ils-rivals
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/18/syr ... n-enclaves

And even the most leftist news outlets report the human rights abuses

Being the best in regards to human rights =/= being literally perfect.

If you’re looking at just the middle east, the bar is pretty low anyways. Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel all have better human rights than Rojava does

It’s funny an anarchist like you actively supports a faction that jails, tortures, and abuses political opponents while simultaneously having child soldiers fight for them

[Torrocca]

Being the best in regards to human rights =/= being literally perfect.

If you’re looking at just the middle east, the bar is pretty low anyways. Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel all have better human rights than Rojava does

It’s funny an anarchist like you actively supports a faction that jails, tortures, and abuses political opponents while simultaneously having child soldiers fight for them

TIL'd being supportive of Rojava means I absolutely must support the worst things they do as well.

Or, y'know, maybe I'm completely critical and unsupportive of those specific things they do while still overall supporting their cause of liberation?

[Chernoslavia]

If you’re looking at just the middle east, the bar is pretty low anyways. Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel all have better human rights than Rojava does

It’s funny an anarchist like you actively supports a faction that jails, tortures, and abuses political opponents while simultaneously having child soldiers fight for them

TIL'd being supportive of Rojava means I absolutely must support the worst things they do as well.

Or, y'know, maybe I'm completely critical and unsupportive of those specific things they do while still overall supporting their cause of liberation?

Yet somehow if someone were to support Turkey’s invasion you’d accuse them of supporting genocide against ethnic Kurds.

[Chernoslavia]

If you’re looking at just the middle east, the bar is pretty low anyways. Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel all have better human rights than Rojava does

It’s funny an anarchist like you actively supports a faction that jails, tortures, and abuses political opponents while simultaneously having child soldiers fight for them

TIL'd being supportive of Rojava means I absolutely must support the worst things they do as well.

Or, y'know, maybe I'm completely critical and unsupportive of those specific things they do while still overall supporting their cause of liberation?

Like I said, she’s fine with it because they’re Socialists.

[Napkizemlja]

RIP Lockheeb, unjustly purged by the Mod KGB for no reason.

[Gormwood]

Looks like a few people want the Turks to follow John Chivington's advice with the Turks.

[Loben The 2nd]

the fact Rojava are running away kinda shows their true effectiveness.

[Torrocca]

TIL'd being supportive of Rojava means I absolutely must support the worst things they do as well.

Or, y'know, maybe I'm completely critical and unsupportive of those specific things they do while still overall supporting their cause of liberation?

Yet somehow if someone were to support Turkey’s invasion you’d accuse them of supporting genocide against ethnic Kurds.

Because the Turkish government is very explicitly planning to ethnically cleanse a huge swathe of Northern Syria at and beyond the Turkish-Syrian border to make room for Syrian refugees to occupy.

But yeah nah I guess it's not genocide unless you disagree with it amirite?

[Chernoslavia]

Looks like a few people want the Turks to follow John Chivington's advice with the Turks.

Nah you’re just lying. Again.

[Napkizemlja]

TIL creating a safe buffer zone for refugees in their own country is the same thing as sending death squads to people's homes.

[Torrocca]

TIL creating a safe buffer zone for refugees in their own country is the same thing as sending death squads to people's homes.

The Kurds will just peacefully leave their homes - so that Syrian refugees can live in them instead - after being brutally murdered in this military invasion, obviously /s

[Chernoslavia]

Because the Turkish government is very explicitly planning to ethnically cleanse a huge swathe of Northern Syria at and beyond the Turkish-Syrian border to make room for Syrian refugees to occupy.

But yeah nah I guess it's not genocide unless you disagree with it amirite?

is there tangible evidence of this yet?

No.

[Rojava Free State]

the reason why i find myself a bit skeptical of this idea that Erdogan is going to ethnically cleanse the Kurds in Rojava is because large swaths of Eastern Turkey are already ethnically Kurdish.

apart from the fact that carrying out such an action would outrage the Kurds within it's own borders it's also a bit illogical to want to remove the Kurds from Rojava yet tolerate their large presence within your own borders.

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Who says it won't happen there too? And even if they don't kill all kurds, it's pretty undisputed that kurds are already treated like shit in turkey. The Turks are clearly supremacists

[Rojava Free State]

the fact Rojava are running away kinda shows their true effectiveness.

Only people I see running are Americans

[Rojava Free State]

Who says it won't happen there too? And even if they don't kill all kurds, it's pretty undisputed that kurds are already treated like shit in turkey. The Turks are clearly supremacists

i wouldn't be surprised if it did happen.

however, i'm simply asking if there's any evidence suggesting it will since people keep asserting without evidence that Turkey's explicit goal here is to ethnically cleanse the Kurds from Rojava when Turkey's actual stated goal is to control a relatively small buffer zone along its border with Syria.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1190 ... e-invasion

I think the immediate goal of Turkey is to take more land. "Security" is just a false pretense for the neo ottoman erdogan to spread his reign of terror. Considering his hatred for assad and the failure of the rebels, I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to full on occupy Syria one step at a time