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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:25 amAgarntrop wrote:
What a cretinous analogy. Helping ISIS and destroying the only hope of true democracy in Syria and the end of tyranny is not 'combatting terrorism'. It is quite the opposite, it is terrorism. Erdogan is a terrorist and neo-ottomanism is a fundamentally terroristic ideology.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:26 amWallenburg wrote:Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:I disagree with a lot of what you said, but you are right about one thing, Rojava is far from being a good state. It’s continued support of terrorism, persecution of Arabs, and horrible human rights record often goes ignored by the far left which holds it up as the poster child of successful communism (this really says more about the far-left than Rojava imo)
So many claims, but no sauce to go with it.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:29 amPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:31 amDespite the tightened border, Kurds from Turkey remain well represented in the YPG, further underscoring the group’s links to the PKK. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Kurdish fighter Zind Ruken expanded on the PKK-YPG relationship. “Sometimes I’m a PKK, sometimes I’m a PJAK [the PKK-allied affiliate, active in Iran], sometimes I’m a YPG. It doesn’t really matter. They are all members of the PKK.”
The YPG’s casualty data confirms linkages between international PKK-linked groups. Kurds from Turkey total 49.24 percent of the YPG’s self-reported casualties between January 2013 and January 2016, according to an ongoing Atlantic Council study. YPG martyrdom notices show that 359 Turkish citizens, 323 Syrians, 32 Iranians, seven Iraqis, two Australians, two Azeris, and a person from England, Germany, Greece, and the United States each have been killed fighting with the group since January 2013. To be sure, there are methodological problems with the data: The two authors relied on self-reported numbers and have not been able to cross-reference this information with the PYD.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:32 amYou should see that Ypg and Pkk terrorists do not represent the Kurds in the region.I don't think it's a dreamHeloin wrote:Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Nobody wants neo-ottomanism, all we want is peace and security of the region.Assad and Turkey should sit at the table for peace
Most of the people living in that Rojave territory of this imaginary Turkmeneli are Kurds and want nothing to do with Turkey. The same thing is true on the other side of the border actually.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:32 amPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:33 amHakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:You should see that Ypg and Pkk terrorists do not represent the Kurds in the region.Heloin wrote:Most of the people living in that Rojave territory of this imaginary Turkmeneli are Kurds and want nothing to do with Turkey. The same thing is true on the other side of the border actually.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:33 amPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:34 amNakena wrote:Hmmm:Despite the tightened border, Kurds from Turkey remain well represented in the YPG, further underscoring the group’s links to the PKK. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Kurdish fighter Zind Ruken expanded on the PKK-YPG relationship. “Sometimes I’m a PKK, sometimes I’m a PJAK [the PKK-allied affiliate, active in Iran], sometimes I’m a YPG. It doesn’t really matter. They are all members of the PKK.”
The YPG’s casualty data confirms linkages between international PKK-linked groups. Kurds from Turkey total 49.24 percent of the YPG’s self-reported casualties between January 2013 and January 2016, according to an ongoing Atlantic Council study. YPG martyrdom notices show that 359 Turkish citizens, 323 Syrians, 32 Iranians, seven Iraqis, two Australians, two Azeris, and a person from England, Germany, Greece, and the United States each have been killed fighting with the group since January 2013. To be sure, there are methodological problems with the data: The two authors relied on self-reported numbers and have not been able to cross-reference this information with the PYD.
Sauce: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/m ... onnection/
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:34 amPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:36 amThe Huskar Social Union wrote:Kurds get fucked over once again and im sure we will be hearing all about a bunch of war crimes in the next few months with the Turks fucking slaughtering them.
Heloin wrote:Most of the people living in that Rojava territory of this imaginary Turkmeneli are Kurds and want nothing to do with Turkey. The same thing is true on the other side of the border actually.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:37 amRepubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Agarntrop wrote:Rojava and PKK are seperate things.
Rojava more often than not funds PKK’s operations
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:38 amVistulange wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:Kurds get fucked over once again and im sure we will be hearing all about a bunch of war crimes in the next few months with the Turks fucking slaughtering them.
I wasn't aware I was doing any slaughtering, Huskar. Are you sure you don't mean Turkey, the country?Heloin wrote:Most of the people living in that Rojava territory of this imaginary Turkmeneli are Kurds and want nothing to do with Turkey. The same thing is true on the other side of the border actually.
A relatively recent paper - 2016-ish - by Zeki Sarıgil and Ekrem Karakoç states that only about 32% of Kurds in Turkey supported secession in 2013, prior to the Peace Process.
If you like, I can relay any questions you have to Sarıgil in person.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:39 amHakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:You should see that Ypg and Pkk terrorists do not represent the Kurds in the region.Heloin wrote:Most of the people living in that Rojave territory of this imaginary Turkmeneli are Kurds and want nothing to do with Turkey. The same thing is true on the other side of the border actually.
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Yeah, I always hate how people pretend Turkey has no legitimate grievances about the YPG.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:39 amThe Huskar Social Union wrote:Vistulange wrote:I wasn't aware I was doing any slaughtering, Huskar. Are you sure you don't mean Turkey, the country?
A relatively recent paper - 2016-ish - by Zeki Sarıgil and Ekrem Karakoç states that only about 32% of Kurds in Turkey supported secession in 2013, prior to the Peace Process.
If you like, I can relay any questions you have to Sarıgil in person.
I did mean the country of Turkey, same way in the MAGA thread when i made a comment about the Americans shafting the kurds again i was referring to the United States of America.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:39 amUnited Muscovite Nations wrote:Seems like the Turks are making good headway.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:41 amPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:41 amPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:47 amHeloin wrote:You can tell this because the PKK are extremely unpopular with local Kurds, oh wait.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:48 amThats fair. Ill try and frame stuff better from now on if i post more in this thread.Vistulange wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:Im not saying every turk is gona go out an kill someone or that every turk would be responsible, if you read it that way im sorry not my intention.
It is, however, precisely the meaning behind the sentence you formed, whatever your intention is. It is ironically the exact same idea as equating "Kurd" with "PKK" that happens all too often in Turkey. Framing is quite important, as this entire fifty-year old tragedy is showing to us.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:49 amUnited Muscovite Nations wrote:
Yeah, I always hate how people pretend Turkey has no legitimate grievances about the YPG.
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:51 amPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:57 amPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:59 amPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:00 pmUnited Muscovite Nations wrote:
Yeah, I always hate how people pretend Turkey has no legitimate grievances about the YPG.
