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Which side you're sympathic towards?

Turkey
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Rojava/SDF
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Neither or unsure
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Rojava Free State
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:20 pm

https://theweek.com/speedreads/870591/p ... h-invasion

LMAO it just keeps getting better and better doesn't it? Not only are we gonna let our allies get killed by a dictator, but if ISIS escapes due to the attack, we're gonna let it happen.

It's like trump wants the worst case scenario to happen with this situation
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:21 pm


well looks like they need to be re kidnapped.
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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:22 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:They already started demobilizing them in accordance with international law:
http://nedaa-sy.com/en/news/15119

well looks like they need to be re kidnapped.

Unless alien space bats somehow change their mind, that ain't gonna happen.

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Postby Napkizemlja » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:22 pm


A token demob of a small pool of fighters after having their ass in the spotlight isn't something to really cheer them on.
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Rojava Free State
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:24 pm

Lockheeb Martin wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:https://theweek.com/speedreads/870591/pentagon-says-wont-intervene-isis-prisoners-escape-during-turkish-invasion

LMAO it just keeps getting better and better doesn't it? Not only are we gonna let our allies get killed by a dictator, but if ISIS escapes due to the attack, we're gonna let it happen.

It's like trump wants the worst case scenario to happen with this situation


It's the card the Rojava types had been using as blackmail against the West. There are other plans to contain things but it might make your stomach turn :^)

That's why the French and British volunteered to watch things if I remember. They were afraid the Turks would simply hang them.


https://www.commentarymagazine.com/fore ... s-support/

Why would Turkey hang it's own allies? Lmao it's clear to me that the turks are hellbent on helping jihadists. They're no longer an ally of America in my eyes
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:24 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Yeah cuz it's not like the Kurds haven't been committing crimes against Turkish civies right? :roll:


It's incredibly interesting that you're choosing to monolithize the Kurds so as to justify your tacit support of what Erdogan's regime is doing.


I'm not monolithizing any one ethnic people, Rojava and the Kurdish groups both officially and unofficially under their control or support has in fact committed atrocities of their own over their own borders. And support lmao? I hate the turks too, why I don't want to support either side but thanks for yet again misconstruing my argument.

You know? For masquerading as this bad ass revolutionary willing to fight ''fascism'' or ''oppression'' by any means necessary and having dreams of overthrowing Capitalism via armed revolution, all you will ever do is run your mouth about the poor little kurds and freak out on anyone not wanting to get involved. Well if you are so willing to help stop some ''genocide'', here's your chance at bashing the fash, put your money where your mouth is and fly out there, or drive or hitchhike or whatever and pick up a gun yourself. Atleast I was ready to fly to the other side of the fucking world to help out the YPG and then on to Ukraine once ISIS was taken out, what the fuck are you even going to do about it?
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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:25 pm

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:well looks like they need to be re kidnapped.

Unless alien space bats somehow change their mind, that ain't gonna happen.


No. They ceased to exist.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:29 pm

I do not want to get involved at all, but if we must pick a side, then we should help Bashar Al-Assad and gang fight off these Turkish marauders.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:30 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I do not want to get involved at all, but if we must pick a side, then we should help Bashar Al-Assad and gang fight off these Turkish marauders.


Assad and what army?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:30 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I do not want to get involved at all, but if we must pick a side, then we should help Bashar Al-Assad and gang fight off these Turkish marauders.


I support not running. The people who helped us deserve our help now
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:30 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I do not want to get involved at all, but if we must pick a side, then we should help Bashar Al-Assad and gang fight off these Turkish marauders.


Assad and what army?


The Syrian army?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:30 pm

The Kurds deserve their own state. I just wish they chose a better economic policy.

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Postby Torrocca » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:31 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
It's incredibly interesting that you're choosing to monolithize the Kurds so as to justify your tacit support of what Erdogan's regime is doing.


I'm not monolithizing any one ethnic people, Rojava and the Kurdish groups both officially and unofficially under their control or support has in fact committed atrocities of their own over their own borders. And support lmao? I hate the turks too, why I don't want to support either side but thanks for yet again misconstruing my argument.


You literally are though, considering you're acting like its a crime of all Kurds that the PKK (which, shockingly enough, isn't a part of Rojava) has committed acts of terrorism in Turkey.

You know? For masquerading as this bad ass revolutionary willing to fight ''fascism'' or ''oppression'' by any means necessary and having dreams of overthrowing Capitalism via armed revolution, all you will ever do is run your mouth about the poor little kurds and freak out on anyone not wanting to get involved. Well if you are so willing to help stop some ''genocide'', here's your chance at bashing the fash, put your money where your mouth is and fly out there, or drive or hitchhike or whatever and pick up a gun yourself. Atleast I was ready to fly to the other side of the fucking world to help out the YPG and then on to Ukraine once ISIS was taken out, what the fuck are you even going to do about it?


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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:31 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Assad and what army?


The Syrian army?

years after a high intensity conflict.....

yea my money is on the Turkish army.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:32 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
The Syrian army?

years after a high intensity conflict.....

yea my money is on the Turkish army.


Just another reason not to leave. With all due respect I don't want erdogan coming within 500 miles of accomplishing his neo ottoman delusions. The less land the turks can take, the better
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Flawless Walruses » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:33 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:https://www.commentarymagazine.com/fore ... s-support/

Why would Turkey hang it's own allies? Lmao it's clear to me that the turks are hellbent on helping jihadists. They're no longer an ally of America in my eyes


You're not wrong.

But if using jihadist networks as allies disqualified a nation from being a US ally, there wouldn't be a single US ally in the Middle East. Hell, the USA wouldn't be qualified to ally with itself...

Turkey may actually hang the Da'esh EPWs. Not for being jihadis, but for being disobedient ones.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:33 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I do not want to get involved at all, but if we must pick a side, then we should help Bashar Al-Assad and gang fight off these Turkish marauders.


Assad and what army?

This one.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:34 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The Kurds deserve their own state. I just wish they chose a better economic policy.

Yes, Rojava is noted for its economic collapses. Wait.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:34 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Assad and what army?

This one.


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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:34 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I do not want to get involved at all, but if we must pick a side, then we should help Bashar Al-Assad and gang fight off these Turkish marauders.


Assad and what army?


This army:
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Postby Confederate Norway » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:35 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Confederate Norway wrote:I disagree, If that were true they would be for U.S involvement before the Kurds where under threat from Turkey. It is clear they value Kurds more than majority of Syrians in the country.

Not all forms of involvement in the Syria civil war mean protecting the Kurds from Turkey. More shocking facts to come.

Ik, I am saying that all the sudden people who did not support involvement in Syria are due to the Kurds being threatened and not the Syrians.

Wallenburg wrote:It really wouldn't though. The totality of protecting Syrian national Kurds involves keeping Turkey and Syria from genociding them, and helping them mop up ISIS. The question of protecting Syrians in government and rebel-controlled Syria is far more complicated, considering the government of Syria is a major oppressor in the equation.

We got involved in the Syrian civil war over the abuse of Syrians. I am not talking about protecting the Syrian government but the Syrian people and not some minority group in Syria like the Kurds, that would make more sense and I do not get how you do not see that.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:35 pm

Kowani wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The Kurds deserve their own state. I just wish they chose a better economic policy.

Yes, Rojava is noted for its economic collapses. Wait.

Not what I said commie.

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Postby Gormwood » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:36 pm

I look forward to when footage gets smuggled out of Northern Syria and the usual suspects deny their authenticity or candidly admit they don't care about what it shows.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:36 pm

Confederate Norway wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Not all forms of involvement in the Syria civil war mean protecting the Kurds from Turkey. More shocking facts to come.

Ik, I am saying that all the sudden people who did not support involvement in Syria are due to the Kurds being threatened and not the Syrians.

Wallenburg wrote:It really wouldn't though. The totality of protecting Syrian national Kurds involves keeping Turkey and Syria from genociding them, and helping them mop up ISIS. The question of protecting Syrians in government and rebel-controlled Syria is far more complicated, considering the government of Syria is a major oppressor in the equation.

We got involved in the Syrian civil war over the abuse of Syrians. I am not talking about protecting the Syrian government but the Syrian people and not some minority group in Syria like the Kurds, that would make more sense and I do not get how you do not see that.


The guy who has protected the most Syrians during this whole disaster has been Assad.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:37 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:This one.


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