Turkish military offensive in Syria/Rojava

[Luminesa]

I wonder where all of these people were, raging for the West to send boots on the ground for Darfur, or Myanmar, or the Bahai's in Iran.

*coughs*




We weren't there at the time in those countries like we were now....It's a different situation.......
To use Bill Clinton much to my dismay:

"It's the context, stupid."

Different countries doesn't really change the situation, though.

[Napkizemlja]

If people are expecting the West to stick its dick into the situation there better be some pretty solid proofs. And no, civilians dying in normal combat operations doesn't count.

I wonder where all of these people were, raging for the West to send boots on the ground for Darfur, or Myanmar, or the Bahai's in Iran.

Lmao maybe I just don't respect throwing our allies under the bus after they helped us

As for your "WhErEs tHe PrOoF" crap : https://newspunch.com/erdogan-sweden-kurdish-genocide/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 35951.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 35951.html

Proof a doodle doo, Turkey has gone fascist

Some Swedish far-left MP's launching a lawsuit (that probably wasn't even taken up by Swedish prosecutors) isn't the same as proofs a doodle doo, especially since accusations of genocide are quite often used as a form of slander in international politics.

I mean give me evidence of death marches and extermination squads.

[Flawless Walruses]

Except it really isn't Nazis vs all of Europe. More like Nazis vs the USSR. Just two bullies duking it out.

Harsh, dude!

I'd say more like Poland's territorial demands of Czechoslovakia in 1938. I mean, one group of Fascists was slightly worse than the other, and those were not-very-discreetly working with Nazi Germany (who would totally bite them next), but I don't think any American should be willing to die for the difference.

Especially when there is no plausible exit strategy.

[Luminesa]

*coughs*




We weren't there at the time in those countries like we were now....It's a different situation.......
To use Bill Clinton much to my dismay:

"It's the context, stupid."

I'm becoming convinced that nap is a Turkish nationalist. He sure seems hellbent on defending erdogan and excusing America basically abandoning the people who aided us.

I don't think he's defending Erdogan because A.) he's Canadian and a Tory, and B.) I don't think it's defending Erdogan to say that the Kurds are not perfect. Middle-Eastern politics are a bloodbath.

[Torrocca]

Lmao maybe I just don't respect throwing our allies under the bus after they helped us

As for your "WhErEs tHe PrOoF" crap : https://newspunch.com/erdogan-sweden-kurdish-genocide/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 35951.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 35951.html

Proof a doodle doo, Turkey has gone fascist

Some Swedish far-left MP's launching a lawsuit (that probably wasn't even taken up by Swedish prosecutors) isn't the same as proofs a doodle doo, especially since accusations of genocide are quite often used as a form of slander in international politics.

I mean give me evidence of death marches and extermination squads.

This might very well be shocking for you to learn, but genocide doesn't just magically happen at the snap of a finger.

[Chernoslavia]

To Torrocca so long as they're Socialist, they're automatically better than the Turks, never mind the atrocities they committed themselves.

Because I don't want a genocide to happen, that obviously means that I think Kurds are naturally better than Turks. What an absolute bullshit line of thinking. Not that I'd expect anything better, considering you're more concerned with bitching about "virtue signaling" than this atrocious invasion of Northern Syria at the hands of Erdogan's regime.

Yeah cuz it's not like the Kurds haven't been committing crimes against Turkish civies right?

[Luminesa]

To Torrocca so long as they're Socialist, they're automatically better than the Turks, never mind the atrocities they committed themselves.

Because I don't want a genocide to happen, that obviously means that I think Kurds are naturally better than Turks. What an absolute bullshit line of thinking. Not that I'd expect anything better, considering you're more concerned with bitching about "virtue signaling" than this atrocious invasion of Northern Syria at the hands of Erdogan's regime.

You're acting like this is suddenly a new thing, though, almost everyone in the ME has been going at the Kurds. For decades. It's not the first time he's invaded Syria either.

[Duhon]

As usual in any ethnic conflict both sides are irrational and absurd.

It can get tiring keeping up with all the 'ists' and 'isms' in this thread and the surrounding subject. Still my sympathies are with the kurds as like I said before, they're one of the few factions there who aren't jihadists, Iranian puppets or the Syrian government; that and they were doing the hard work fighting ISIS on the ground.

one can show that sympathy by calling for mass resettlement efforts for kurds now pinned by turk and isis alike
you know, actually save them from genocide

[Torrocca]

Because I don't want a genocide to happen, that obviously means that I think Kurds are naturally better than Turks. What an absolute bullshit line of thinking. Not that I'd expect anything better, considering you're more concerned with bitching about "virtue signaling" than this atrocious invasion of Northern Syria at the hands of Erdogan's regime.

Yeah cuz it's not like the Kurds haven't been committing crimes against Turkish civies right?

It's incredibly interesting that you're choosing to monolithize the Kurds so as to justify your tacit support of what Erdogan's regime is doing.

[Napkizemlja]

I wonder where all of these people were, raging for the West to send boots on the ground for Darfur, or Myanmar, or the Bahai's in Iran.

*coughs*




We weren't there at the time in those countries like we were now....It's a different situation.......
To use Bill Clinton much to my dismay:

"It's the context, stupid."

But I thought it was wrong to allow a genocide to occur? Wouldn't that justify invading these places?

Me thinks that random Masalit farmers lack the right political leanings to garner the sympathy from the usual suspects.

[Luminesa]

*coughs*




We weren't there at the time in those countries like we were now....It's a different situation.......
To use Bill Clinton much to my dismay:

"It's the context, stupid."

But I thought it was wrong to allow a genocide to occur? Wouldn't that justify invading these places?

Me thinks that random Masalit farmers lack the right political leanings to garner the sympathy from the usual suspects.

And where were we when Rwanda had a genocide, we were TOLD it was happening, and Clinton decided not to talk to the public about it or to send help? When we were at a relatively peaceful time in our country and we had all the resources to help them?

[Napkizemlja]

Some Swedish far-left MP's launching a lawsuit (that probably wasn't even taken up by Swedish prosecutors) isn't the same as proofs a doodle doo, especially since accusations of genocide are quite often used as a form of slander in international politics.

I mean give me evidence of death marches and extermination squads.

This might very well be shocking for you to learn, but genocide doesn't just magically happen at the snap of a finger.

So in other words you are claiming something that by your own admission isn't occurring?

[Loben The 2nd]

if the kurds were right wing there wouldnt be a peep from NSG over this

[Napkizemlja]

if the kurds were right wing there wouldnt be a peep from NSG over this

Tbf I'd expect some people in the RWDT to be PO'd about if they were right-wing. Doubt it'd be as extreme though.

[SD_Film Artists]

It can get tiring keeping up with all the 'ists' and 'isms' in this thread and the surrounding subject. Still my sympathies are with the kurds as like I said before, they're one of the few factions there who aren't jihadists, Iranian puppets or the Syrian government; that and they were doing the hard work fighting ISIS on the ground.

one can show that sympathy by calling for mass resettlement efforts for kurds now pinned by turk and isis alike
you know, actually save them from genocide

You mean...running away?

[Torrocca]

This might very well be shocking for you to learn, but genocide doesn't just magically happen at the snap of a finger.

So in other words you are claiming something that by your own admission isn't occurring?

Given Erdogan's thoughts on the Kurds, as well as the rather obvious fact of the matter that his regime is naturally opposed to the continued existence of a Libertarian Socialist territory - one which won't surrender so easily to Turkey, particularly after they used former fighters from both the Al-Nusra Front and from ISIS to seize Afrin - I'm of the opinion that it's very much likely gonna happen.

EDIT: Also, given the mere fact of the matter that Erdogan's plan for Rojava includes forcibly removing the people living on the Syrian side of the Turkish-Syrian border for several miles inland, I'd very much say there's a plan for genocide. At the very least, it's ethnic cleansing in action.

[Loben The 2nd]

But I thought it was wrong to allow a genocide to occur? Wouldn't that justify invading these places?

Me thinks that random Masalit farmers lack the right political leanings to garner the sympathy from the usual suspects.

........You've missed the forest for the trees here.....Like missing...Everything.........



Can I have a moment? I've gotta process how you don't know context....

Cut the intellectual act.

[Luminesa]

But I thought it was wrong to allow a genocide to occur? Wouldn't that justify invading these places?

Me thinks that random Masalit farmers lack the right political leanings to garner the sympathy from the usual suspects.

........You've missed the forest for the trees here.....Like missing...Everything.........



Can I have a moment? I've gotta process how you don't know context....

You didn't give any examples or any actual context though. What happened in Darfur that was different from what is happening now?

[Duhon]

if the kurds were right wing there wouldnt be a peep from NSG over this

i like people alive in general so you'd definitely hear from me

[Loben The 2nd]

if the kurds were right wing there wouldnt be a peep from NSG over this

i like people alive in general so you'd definitely hear from me

Big if true.

[SD_Film Artists]

if the kurds were right wing there wouldnt be a peep from NSG over this

There's plenty of US Republicans who are against Turkey's offensive despite the Kurds being broadly socialist. I think being US allies is a much more important thing than whether they're left or right.

[Napkizemlja]

But I thought it was wrong to allow a genocide to occur? Wouldn't that justify invading these places?

Me thinks that random Masalit farmers lack the right political leanings to garner the sympathy from the usual suspects.

........You've missed the forest for the trees here.....Like missing...Everything.........



Can I have a moment? I've gotta process how you don't know context....

It's okay I'm currently processing how you don't care about actual genocides that are currently occurring as opposed to one that is only claimed to be happening despite the lack of evidence. But please continue raging over a non-event whilst claiming to be super for real against genocide.

[Duhon]

*coughs*




We weren't there at the time in those countries like we were now....It's a different situation.......
To use Bill Clinton much to my dismay:

"It's the context, stupid."

But I thought it was wrong to allow a genocide to occur? Wouldn't that justify invading these places?

Me thinks that random Masalit farmers lack the right political leanings to garner the sympathy from the usual suspects.

us troops were there, then they left despite the knowledge (which trump may or may not share, or if he did he probably gives zero fucks who dies as long as he gets his) that doing so would precipitate a turkish invasion and isis incursions AT THE BARE MINIMUM

unless many other cases where boots weren't on the ground as shit hit the fan, boots undeniably were there

[Napkizemlja]

But I thought it was wrong to allow a genocide to occur? Wouldn't that justify invading these places?

Me thinks that random Masalit farmers lack the right political leanings to garner the sympathy from the usual suspects.

us troops were there, then they left despite the knowledge (which trump may or may not share, or if he did he probably gives zero fucks who dies as long as he gets his) that doing so would precipitate a turkish invasion and isis incursions AT THE BARE MINIMUM

unless many other cases where boots weren't on the ground as shit hit the fan, boots undeniably were there

*ahem* Here's the thing though; there is, as of right now, no evidence that the Turks are committing, or are planning to commit, a genocide in Rojava. And so long as that remains the case then America isn't compelled to intervene on the basis of genocide prevention unlike those other cases I've mentioned. And it's not like America doesn't have the capability to drop boots in most places that it wants.

And all of this "Oh well we like weren't already there man" stuff just tells me that you are too lazy to actually try and stop instances of genocide unless your hand is basically forced. Not a great way to show off your anti-genocide credentials.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Evidence?

https://www.mei.edu/publications/child-soldiers-and-ypg
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10576100701558620
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/03/syria-armed-group-recruiting-children-camps

They already started demobilizing them in accordance with international law:
http://nedaa-sy.com/en/news/15119