Turkish military offensive in Syria/Rojava

[Rojava Free State]

Turkey has every right to do this.

No, Turkey needs to stay in Turkey and not invade neighboring nations to genocide ethnic minorities. Erdogan has demonstrated that he's untrustworthy and delusional. Fuck him. We shouldnt have pulled out like we were running away

[Rojava Free State]

I guarantee dictator Erdogan will never give the oil fields and natural gas back to Syria once he takes it.

And that puzzles me. Assad is a dictator like Erdogan, how can he possibly allow another State to cross your borders and violate your sovereignty so batlanty? Jeez, Turkey is literally invading you, US doesn't care and you don't raise a single word against it?

Assad has spoke against them before. I think Turkey is just too overwhelmingly powerful compared to Assad

[Rojava Free State]

Turkey has full rights to do this, as Rojava continues its persecution of Arabs. I’m hoping Assad comes out on top at the end of all this, he’s definitely least of all the evils in this conflict

The kurds helped us fight ISIS while Turkey secretly helped those war crime scumbags. We should tell Turkey to keep away instead of leaving our allies to die

[SD_Film Artists]

I didn't know about them being socialist, they just seem like a relatively moderate faction (neither Iranian puppets nor jihadists) who are also one of the only groups who were directly fighting ISIS. Their freedom is the least they deserve for their bravery.

what they 'deserve' and what they will get will be white knight to black bishop.

Unfortunately so.

[Rojava Free State]

Seems like the Turks are making good headway.

Towards the fight against terrorists, but the management is wrong.

Pictured above: two murderers shake hands as one plans to take out the other on the right.

[TomKirk]

I don't think the United States ever recovers from this. The world sees that the word of America is worthless, and our standing cannot be repaired by electing a saner President next time, because it is the American people who cannot be trusted not to elect another criminal in an election or two.

[Rojava Free State]

Assad has spoke against them before. I think Turkey is just too overwhelmingly powerful compared to Assad

erdogan will be conducting his operations in Rojava which the Syrian government has no control over and is ethnically Kurdish.

apart from the fact that Assad can't do anything to stop them it'll also benefit him by weakening the Rojava.

In the long term it doesn't benefit him, because one that buffer region disappears, Turkey is right there. I don't think the turks are gonna stop with rojava considering how stuck in the past Erdogan is. It's still 1916 in erdogan's head

[Flawless Walruses]

what could they possibly contribute?

impressively less then what Germany nowadays could offer.

they'd be a valuable bulwark against Iran. Iraq used to fill that role but ever since we yeeted on Saddam they've effectively become an Iranian protectorate. also, having a Kurdish state allied to us would mean that we wouldn't have to rely on the God-awful Saudis as much.

Makes sense... except why on earth does the USA need a "valuable bulwark" waving the flag in the middle of the Middle East? Especially a "valuable bulwark" that can't defend itself, can't fund itself, and has a human rights record that can only be defended as "better than the neighbors"? Kurdistan/ NE Syria is basically Israel 2.0, except landlocked and broke. They should cut a deal with Assad (again...) instead of an open-ended commitment from the USA.

[Lost Memories]

I don't think the United States ever recovers from this. The world sees that the word of America is worthless, and our standing cannot be repaired by electing a saner President next time, because it is the American people who cannot be trusted not to elect another criminal in an election or two.

Nah, everyone has very short memory, 2 weeks and everyone will have forgotten where syria even is.

Just a recent example, Libya.

[Loben The 2nd]

Makes sense... except why on earth does the USA need a "valuable bulwark" waving the flag in the middle of the Middle East? Especially a "valuable bulwark" that can't defend itself, can't fund itself, and has a human rights record that can only be defended as "better than the neighbors"? Kurdistan/ NE Syria is basically Israel 2.0, except landlocked and broke.

the Peshmerga disagree

the Kurds are incredibly good fighters and have been valuable allies against ISIS.

you're blatantly wrong

pit them against a professionally trained military and see how long they last.

[Rojava Free State]

In the long term it doesn't benefit him, because one that buffer region disappears, Turkey is right there. I don't think the turks are gonna stop with rojava considering how stuck in the past Erdogan is. It's still 1916 in erdogan's head

like i said Assad can't really do anything to stop them anyway and his sugar daddy (Russia) supports Turkey.

In ten years, when Turkey controls most of Syria with "peace keepers" and also controls much of Iraq and takes cyprus, I don't wanna hear no one saying "how did this happen?" It happened cause we ran away and tried to appease a dictator. The only thing that can stop a madman like erdogan is the threat of force, and considering his aid to ISIS as well as his territorial ambitions, I think the best policy trump could have gone with was telling this wannabe pasha to shove his head up his ass and see if it fits. Instead we basically said " oh you wanna go into syria? Yeah sure we gonna get outta the way, sorry man. " and we packed up and fled and left our allies against ISIS to be slaughtered. Considering how the turks treated the Greeks, Armenians and Chaldeans, I think we all know how this is gonna end for the Kurdish people

[Flawless Walruses]

Makes sense... except why on earth does the USA need a "valuable bulwark" waving the flag in the middle of the Middle East? Especially a "valuable bulwark" that can't defend itself, can't fund itself, and has a human rights record that can only be defended as "better than the neighbors"? Kurdistan/ NE Syria is basically Israel 2.0, except landlocked and broke.

the Peshmerga disagree

the Kurds are incredibly good fighters and have been valuable allies against ISIS.

you're blatantly wrong

The Peshmerga have been owned in every conventional battle that didn't also feature the USAF providing CAS.

They fight a good photo, but any combined-arms force in the region can roll over them without breaking a sweat. Even the current Iraqi army has done so.

[Rojava Free State]

the Peshmerga disagree

the Kurds are incredibly good fighters and have been valuable allies against ISIS.

you're blatantly wrong

pit them against a professionally trained military and see how long they last.

They got heart and spirit. With some better weapons they could last

Of course here you are disrespecting the people who sacrificed thousands to fight ISIS. like to see you go through one day of the years they went through before you get all snobbish from your comfortable living room

[Loben The 2nd]

pit them against a professionally trained military and see how long they last.

they're a militia so that isn't really a fair comparison. but if a Kurdish state were to be formed then they'd have their own processional military.

a kurdish state will not be formed.

[Rojava Free State]

they're a militia so that isn't really a fair comparison. but if a Kurdish state were to be formed then they'd have their own processional military.

a kurdish state will not be formed.

It ought to be. It could be if our president wasn't a pussy

[Nogodia]

Let's be real here.
Erdogan is a tyrant who seeks nothing but to wipe out the Kurds and secure his borderline ultra-nationalist support base and drag in moderate patriots into his disgusting idea of neo-Ottomanism.

[Loben The 2nd]

pit them against a professionally trained military and see how long they last.

They got heart and spirit. With some better weapons they could last

Of course here you are disrespecting the people who sacrificed thousands to fight ISIS. like to see you go through one day of the years they went through before you get all snobbish from your comfortable living room

im sure it was hot and terrible, otherwise i'd feel id been sold a false bill of goods.

[Loben The 2nd]

a kurdish state will not be formed.

It ought to be. It could be if our president wasn't a pussy

you really think Iraq or Iran would abide by that?

[Nakena]

a kurdish state will not be formed.

It ought to be. It could be if our president wasn't a pussy

Actually Northern Iraq/Autonomous Kurdistan has a much better chance to be the kurdish state of the future. It is already de-facto independent and fairly organized, closely allied with the west and lacks any islamism or crypto-stalinist strings attached. They could probably also take over Rojava if they wanted.

[Rojava Free State]

Let's be real here.
Erdogan is a tyrant who seeks nothing but to wipe out the Kurds and secure his borderline ultra-nationalist support base and drag in moderate patriots into his disgusting idea of neo-Ottomanism.

Totally agree, and trump is pulling a Neville chamberlain.

[Rojava Free State]

It ought to be. It could be if our president wasn't a pussy

you really think Iraq or Iran would abide by that?

How about this? We don't pull our troops from northern Syria and we tell the turks they got a choice. They have two options

A. Stay the hell in Turkey and stay in your lane
B. Invade and the minute one of our soldiers gets shot, we're bringing the football to the oval office. Hope you like radiation

I wonder if Turkey would still want to invade with the threat of millions of casualties in their camp? They're gonna attack because they smell weakness, and we have our cowardice on full display. I want turkey contained. I would prefer to not have our soldiers fighting them but when someone helps you win a war, you don't double cross them. I value honor as much as I value peace. If the kurds helped us, we owe it to them to not run away from a nation run by a lunatic.

[Chestaan]

Turkey doesn't see ISIS as enough of a threat to invade but once ISIS are wiped out then those Kurds who played a crucial role in defeating Islamic fundamentalism in the area are suddenly terrorists. Erdogan wants to plant all the Arabic refugees in Turkey in Northern Syria to basically displace the Kurds from their land.

[Flawless Walruses]

they're a militia so that isn't really a fair comparison. but if a Kurdish state were to be formed then they'd have their own processional military.

a kurdish state will not be formed.

^ This.

Why betray an old and useful ally (Turkey), for the pleasure of constructing another Middle Eastern ethno-state within some semi-arbitrary lines on a map?

The Shabak, Turkmen, Arabs and Yadzidis are not keen on becoming minorities under Kurdish rule any more than the Kurds are keen on being Turkish. Same reason. Constructing a modus vivendi in Kurdistan will be just as challenging and far more expensive than constructing it within extant internationally recognised states.

[Nakena]

Almost like it’s just lip service, and now that the Kurds have been used to their potential, people don’t care about them.

Yes, we are part of the people who enabled the genocide, we're genocide enablers. We're no longer the country of freedom due to this we're the country of selfishness who are pieces of shit.

It happened before though in South Vietnam.

[Flawless Walruses]

The Peshmerga have been owned in every battle that didn't include the USAF.

They fight a good photo, but any combined-arms force in the region can roll over them without breaking a sweat. Even the current Iraqi army has done so.

they were fighting against superior forces yet still managed to hold their own. and they've been fighting for over 100 years against different enemies.

and again they're a militia so it isn't really fair to say that they would lose against a professional military.

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