Turkish military offensive in Syria/Rojava

[Duhon]

I place value on the lives of American soldiers.

Which are equivalent to the lives of anyone else in every respect except paperwork. So on the basis of people lacking that paperwork, you don't care if they live or die. But once they acquire the proper paperwork, then their lives have value to you. The paperwork, which is all citizenship really is, is what matters to you.

why my dear ifreann, papers are people too
the more paper there is, the more people there are
which is exactly why from time to time
the powers that be must exercise a little population control

[Blueflarst]

Breaking alliance with Turkey means it goes into Russia’s influence zone, many of Russia’s year-round ports are in the Black Sea, meaning a Turkey-Russia alliance infinitely increases Russia’s power to Soviet levels again. Russia has a perpetual geographic problem of year-round operable ports, and that pretty much solves it

I agree, it has it's consequences, but what are we to do then?

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Finally someone undertood the real situation

[Blueflarst]

dude
turning your goddamned country into scrap to keep it bound to your rule is way worse than anything saddam did

Choosing who's the best dictator is like finding the moderate in Hitler's bunker.

there were moderates in the fuhrer bunker

[I dont even know who to root for]

I agree, it has it's consequences, but what are we to do then?

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Finally someone undertood the real situation

I don't see a reason to kick Turkey out. Speaking for what's beneficial for the US.

[Loben The 2nd]

Finally someone undertood the real situation

I don't see a reason to kick Turkey out.

Hell if anything this is the chance to affirm our relationship.

[Valrifell]

That's fair, but now it's biting us in the ass isn't it?

Breaking alliance with Turkey means it goes into Russia’s influence zone, many of Russia’s year-round ports are in the Black Sea, meaning a Turkey-Russia alliance infinitely increases Russia’s power to Soviet levels again. Russia has a perpetual geographic problem of year-round operable ports, and that pretty much solves it

Not letting Turkey do whatever it wants wouldn't break our alliance.

[Loben The 2nd]

Breaking alliance with Turkey means it goes into Russia’s influence zone, many of Russia’s year-round ports are in the Black Sea, meaning a Turkey-Russia alliance infinitely increases Russia’s power to Soviet levels again. Russia has a perpetual geographic problem of year-round operable ports, and that pretty much solves it

Not letting Turkey do whatever it wants wouldn't break our alliance.

If you want to lose half of the Mediterranean, that’s your thing.

[Duhon]

I agree, it has it's consequences, but what are we to do then?

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Finally someone undertood the real situation

i mean there are non-catch 22 solutions to this if people thought maybe moderately hard at worst
but hey guys
you don't need a brain if you don't wanna spare people
you only need a dick

[Risottia]

Basically yes. But the SDF ditched their uniforms before fighting anyway - meaning they wore civilian clothes when they fought. Which can be seen here.

So it could also have been unarmed fighters. It's really messy and hard to know who tells the truth.

If they were unarmed fighters then What is the problem?

Wtf is an "unarmed fighter"? Someone using karate against tanks?
In the context of war laws, a COMBATANT is someone who actually is fighting with weapons. All combatants are recognised the same status, whatever kind of clothing they're wearing, as long as they're clearly identifiable as combatants during the fight. If they're not fighting, they're no combatants.

[I dont even know who to root for]

If they were unarmed fighters then What is the problem?

Wtf is an "unarmed fighter"? Someone using karate against tanks?
In the context of war laws, a COMBATANT is someone who actually is fighting with weapons. All combatants are recognised the same status, whatever kind of clothing they're wearing, as long as they're clearly identifiable as combatants during the fight. If they're not fighting, they're no combatants.

Someone who is part of an armed forces, like the SDF, but ditched their weapons in order to flee.

[Risottia]

If you want to lose half of the Mediterranean, that’s your thing.

Exactly, how would Turkey control half of the Mediterranean? Plz.

[Risottia]

Wtf is an "unarmed fighter"? Someone using karate against tanks?
In the context of war laws, a COMBATANT is someone who actually is fighting with weapons. All combatants are recognised the same status, whatever kind of clothing they're wearing, as long as they're clearly identifiable as combatants during the fight. If they're not fighting, they're no combatants.

Someone who is part of an armed forces, like the SDF, but ditched their weapons in order to flee.

If they ditched their weapons and are fleeing they aren't fighting anymore. All an opposing force can do is capturing them as POWs.

[I dont even know who to root for]

Someone who is part of an armed forces, like the SDF, but ditched their weapons in order to flee.

If they ditched their weapons and are fleeing they aren't fighting anymore. All an opposing force can do is capturing them as POWs.

They can pick up weapons on another location and keep on fighting. If you drop your weapons, and you are a member of an armed forces, you're still a combatant logically speaking.

Why should I let the person escape if I can take him out?

[Risottia]

If they ditched their weapons and are fleeing they aren't fighting anymore. All an opposing force can do is capturing them as POWs.

They can pick up weapons on another location and keep on fighting.

Anyone can pick up weapons on another location and start fighting. Follows logically that everyone and their uncle are legitimate targets. Including, dunno, kindergarten kids in Ankara? They could grow up, pick up weapons and fight.

If you drop your weapons, and you are a member of an armed forces, you're still a combatant logically speaking.

Nope, you're not combatting anymore.

Why should I let the person escape if I can take him out?

Because you want to be considered a legitimate soldier and not a war criminal.

[I dont even know who to root for]

Anyone can pick up weapons on another location and start fighting. Follows logically that everyone and their uncle are legitimate targets. Including, dunno, kindergarten kids in Ankara? They could grow up, pick up weapons and fight.

This comparison is so weak I am not even bothering to this

Nope, you're not combatting anymore.

Not at that moment, no, but a few hours later, yes. I can deny the enemy manpower by taking him out.

Because you want to be considered a legitimate soldier and not a war criminal.

Correction - you don't want to be the war criminal on the loosing side.

[I dont even know who to root for]

So in recent happenings the Turks and their proxy rebels decided to invade Manbij. While initially successful the front line is now in a stalemate with several village captured by the Turks and their proxy rebels.

Russia does play an active role this evening in bombarding Turkish backed rebels but not (yet) the Turkish armed forces itself. Interesting how this will develop. I don't think we will see much other action this night.

On the border area however things seem to go rather slow. Several villages captured by the Turkish backed rebels but of no particular strategic importance. The M4 highway is contested between the SDF/SAA and the SNA.

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So in recent happenings the Turks and their proxy rebels decided to invade Manbij. While initially successful the front line is now in a stalemate with several village captured by the Turks and their proxy rebels.

Russia does play an active role this evening in bombarding Turkish backed rebels but not (yet) the Turkish armed forces itself. Interesting how this will develop. I don't think we will see much other action this night.

Although very unlikely, the possibility of a hot war between Russia and Turkey is deeply unsettling.

I hope the Kurds are successful in repelling the Turkish invaders, but the complicated web of allies and enemies in Syria means things can escalate very quickly.

[I dont even know who to root for]

So in recent happenings the Turks and their proxy rebels decided to invade Manbij. While initially successful the front line is now in a stalemate with several village captured by the Turks and their proxy rebels.

Russia does play an active role this evening in bombarding Turkish backed rebels but not (yet) the Turkish armed forces itself. Interesting how this will develop. I don't think we will see much other action this night.

Although very unlikely, the possibility of a hot war between Russia and Turkey is deeply unsettling.

I hope the Kurds are successful in repelling the Turkish invaders, but the complicated web of allies and enemies in Syria means things can escalate very quickly.

I think its unlikely that the Russians and Turks will openly fight each other. And if they do it will be limited and small-scale in Syria only. To engage in a real war over Syria at this point is almost ridiculous

[I dont even know who to root for]

[Heloin]

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That's an odd stance from an Aramean group to take seeing that the Assyrians are a major part and some of the largest supporters of the SDF alongside the Kurds.

[The Black Forrest]

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Hmmm. Doubtful.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/ ... urkey.html

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Ok being the artard. I typo’d their website.

Anyway. It’s fascinating they are ok with the Turks attacking.

[I dont even know who to root for]

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Hmmm. Doubtful.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/ ... urkey.html

It's not as if a group can have various opinions.

[The Republic of Fore]

I place value on the lives of American soldiers.

Which are equivalent to the lives of anyone else in every respect except paperwork. So on the basis of people lacking that paperwork, you don't care if they live or die. But once they acquire the proper paperwork, then their lives have value to you. The paperwork, which is all citizenship really is, is what matters to you.

Meh label it how ever you wish. It will never cease to entertain how brave some people are with other people's lives.

[Wallenburg]

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"Trump's edict may lead to peace, security and stability in Syria"
Yeah, all-out war with Turkey sure looks like peace, security, and stability.

Also, I like how they just straight up list Rojava's fight against ISIS as a reason not to support them.

[Duhon]

Which are equivalent to the lives of anyone else in every respect except paperwork. So on the basis of people lacking that paperwork, you don't care if they live or die. But once they acquire the proper paperwork, then their lives have value to you. The paperwork, which is all citizenship really is, is what matters to you.

Meh label it how ever you wish. It will never cease to entertain how brave some people are with other people's lives

speaking of bravery, here, have a load of this

tl;dr: trump says the troops now leaving syria will now be somewhere else in the region, for there's nothing like eating fucking popcorn at a genocidal premiere