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Which side you're sympathic towards?

Turkey
54
13%
Rojava/SDF
262
63%
Neither or unsure
101
24%
 
Total votes : 417

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Maqkaradj
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Postby Maqkaradj » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:40 pm

I'm glad this has led the SDF to ally with Assad. If the US had stayed in Rojava it is almost certain that they would have been used by the Neo-Con hawks to topple Assad. Also funny how Americans have such short memories when it comes to foreign interventions, don't they remember their previous adventures or does the media have such a fucking hold over their minds?

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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:56 pm

Maqkaradj wrote:I'm glad this has led the SDF to ally with Assad. If the US had stayed in Rojava it is almost certain that they would have been used by the Neo-Con hawks to topple Assad. Also funny how Americans have such short memories when it comes to foreign interventions, don't they remember their previous adventures or does the media have such a fucking hold over their minds?


this adventure mainly consists of keeping isis from rising from the ashes and the turks from shooting every kurd in sight

in other words, a whole lot of vigilance, but also a whole lot of nothing

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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:06 pm

Duhon wrote:
Maqkaradj wrote:I'm glad this has led the SDF to ally with Assad. If the US had stayed in Rojava it is almost certain that they would have been used by the Neo-Con hawks to topple Assad. Also funny how Americans have such short memories when it comes to foreign interventions, don't they remember their previous adventures or does the media have such a fucking hold over their minds?


this adventure mainly consists of keeping isis from rising from the ashes and the turks from shooting every kurd in sight

in other words, a whole lot of vigilance, but also a whole lot of nothing


considering the casualties thus far, i doubt the Turks are shooting every kurd in sight.
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Rezmaeristan
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Postby Rezmaeristan » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:13 pm

Duhon wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Meh label it how ever you wish. It will never cease to entertain how brave some people are with other people's lives

speaking of bravery, here, have a load of this

tl;dr: trump says the troops now leaving syria will now be somewhere else in the region, for there's nothing like eating fucking popcorn at a genocidal premiere


Well this is disappointing.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:28 pm

I dont even know who to root for wrote:


Welp, that's all I needed to know on this whole thing.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:58 pm

Middle East is going to Middle East, just as Trump is going to Trump.
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Postby GLDF » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:33 pm

Duhon wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Meh label it how ever you wish. It will never cease to entertain how brave some people are with other people's lives

speaking of bravery, here, have a load of this

tl;dr: trump says the troops now leaving syria will now be somewhere else in the region, for there's nothing like eating fucking popcorn at a genocidal premiere

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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:37 pm

Sovaal wrote:Middle East is going to Middle East, just as Trump is going to Trump.


middle east won't be middling east right now if trump... weren't

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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:02 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
I dont even know who to root for wrote:

"Trump's edict may lead to peace, security and stability in Syria"
Yeah, all-out war with Turkey sure looks like peace, security, and stability.

Also, I like how they just straight up list Rojava's fight against ISIS as a reason not to support them.

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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:26 pm

Kowani wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Trump's edict may lead to peace, security and stability in Syria"
Yeah, all-out war with Turkey sure looks like peace, security, and stability.

Also, I like how they just straight up list Rojava's fight against ISIS as a reason not to support them.

Corpses are remarkably non-violent.


Unless during the Zombiecalypse.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:27 pm

Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:Corpses are remarkably non-violent.


Unless during the Zombiecalypse.

…That’s fair.
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Risottia
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Postby Risottia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:58 pm

I dont even know who to root for wrote:
Risottia wrote:Anyone can pick up weapons on another location and start fighting. Follows logically that everyone and their uncle are legitimate targets. Including, dunno, kindergarten kids in Ankara? They could grow up, pick up weapons and fight.

This comparison is so weak I am not even bothering to this

So you can't answer. Good to know.

Risottia wrote:Nope, you're not combatting anymore.

Not at that moment, no, but a few hours later, yes. I can deny the enemy manpower by taking him out.

You can but you're not allowed to. That's why there's a thing such as capturing POWs instead of murdering them.

Risottia wrote:Because you want to be considered a legitimate soldier and not a war criminal.

Correction - you don't want to be the war criminal on the loosing side.

That's the whole point of ethics according to you: Not getting caught and getting away with murder.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:02 pm

I dont even know who to root for wrote:

I'm totally sure they're entirely representative of every Christian in Syria. Yep.
Also, Christian = automatically right, innit.
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:08 pm

Risottia wrote:
I dont even know who to root for wrote:

I'm totally sure they're entirely representative of every Christian in Syria. Yep.
Also, Christian = automatically right, innit.


They're not. They're an subgroup of the assyrians.

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Vistulange
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Postby Vistulange » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:24 pm

Risottia wrote:
I dont even know who to root for wrote:

I'm totally sure they're entirely representative of every Christian in Syria. Yep.
Also, Christian = automatically right, innit.

To be frank, the general mood is "Kurd = automatically right" as well.

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New Arcadius
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Postby New Arcadius » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:26 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:Turkey has every right to do this.

That is where you are wrong.
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The Alma Mater
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:36 pm

Vistulange wrote:
Risottia wrote:I'm totally sure they're entirely representative of every Christian in Syria. Yep.
Also, Christian = automatically right, innit.

To be frank, the general mood is "Kurd = automatically right" as well.

Technically, the general mood is "genocide =bad".
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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:43 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Vistulange wrote:To be frank, the general mood is "Kurd = automatically right" as well.

Technically, the general mood is "genocide =bad".

Wait, what? You mean killing and displacing millions of people is a bad idea?

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The Republic of Fore
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:47 pm

Duhon wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Meh label it how ever you wish. It will never cease to entertain how brave some people are with other people's lives

speaking of bravery, here, have a load of this

tl;dr: trump says the troops now leaving syria will now be somewhere else in the region, for there's nothing like eating fucking popcorn at a genocidal premiere

Of course he did, Lindsay Graham and the other war hawk Republicans would throw a tantrum if we actually pulled out of a conflict for once. I don't know why I'm disappointed. Maybe someday we'll get a president with enough backbone to stand up to his party.

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Vistulange
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Postby Vistulange » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:07 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Vistulange wrote:To be frank, the general mood is "Kurd = automatically right" as well.

Technically, the general mood is "genocide =bad".

I still haven't had anybody tell me precisely what Erdoğan gets out of genociding Kurds, though. Unless you think he's in it just to make people cry, at which point I really don't know what to say.

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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:13 pm

Vistulange wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Technically, the general mood is "genocide =bad".

I still haven't had anybody tell me precisely what Erdoğan gets out of genociding Kurds, though. Unless you think he's in it just to make people cry, at which point I really don't know what to say.
I dunno about "genocide", but as you know kurds since the formation of Turkey have generally been a rebellious minority in a country that has tried very hard to be very french in terms of how to views its central culture. Having kurds on the border in cahoots with the rebellious ones inside the borders is a security threat, no matter how you spin it. It's why Turkey is generally amiable with the iraqi kurds that aren't into the whole ocalan thing.
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Vistulange
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Postby Vistulange » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:59 pm

Kubra wrote:
Vistulange wrote:I still haven't had anybody tell me precisely what Erdoğan gets out of genociding Kurds, though. Unless you think he's in it just to make people cry, at which point I really don't know what to say.
I dunno about "genocide", but as you know kurds since the formation of Turkey have generally been a rebellious minority in a country that has tried very hard to be very french in terms of how to views its central culture. Having kurds on the border in cahoots with the rebellious ones inside the borders is a security threat, no matter how you spin it. It's why Turkey is generally amiable with the iraqi kurds that aren't into the whole ocalan thing.

Okay. I'm chill and on board with that explanation.

Still, the whole "genocide" thing looks like it's just "well Turks did 1915, so they're inclined towards genocide, let's go with induction and immediately assume they want to genocide Kurds as well" in NSG-speak which naturally involves plenty of strawmanning and a complete disregard for forces influencing the actors.

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The Alma Mater
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:03 am

Vistulange wrote:
Kubra wrote: I dunno about "genocide", but as you know kurds since the formation of Turkey have generally been a rebellious minority in a country that has tried very hard to be very french in terms of how to views its central culture. Having kurds on the border in cahoots with the rebellious ones inside the borders is a security threat, no matter how you spin it. It's why Turkey is generally amiable with the iraqi kurds that aren't into the whole ocalan thing.

Okay. I'm chill and on board with that explanation.

Still, the whole "genocide" thing looks like it's just "well Turks did 1915, so they're inclined towards genocide, let's go with induction and immediately assume they want to genocide Kurds as well" in NSG-speak which naturally involves plenty of strawmanning and a complete disregard for forces influencing the actors.


It is, except it is not merely NSG speak but that of just about every media outlet.
But we will have to wait and see how many Erdogan will exterminate.
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