Turkish military offensive in Syria/Rojava

[Vistulange]

I think the point Liber is trying to make is that "we should have our bloods boiling as they've dared to do this", or something along those lines. Haven't quite got the connection with the YPG myself.

Well yes, but I don't see how that is an answer to the other person's claim that Turkey is a valuable ally.

Simple, they can't be allies because they beat up American protesters in America.

[The Alma Mater]

That doesn't invalidate his point.

I think the point Liber is trying to make is that "we should have our bloods boiling as they've dared to do this", or something along those lines. Haven't quite got the connection with the YPG myself.

Well,that and Turkeys attack on US troops are both deliberate "shows of strength" by Erdogan. Who honestly does not give a fuck about being an ally.

[Loben The 2nd]

I think the point Liber is trying to make is that "we should have our bloods boiling as they've dared to do this", or something along those lines. Haven't quite got the connection with the YPG myself.

Well,that and Turkeys attack on US troops are both deliberate "shows of strength" by Erdogan. Who honestly does not give a fuck about being an ally.

once again, a single shell landing 400m from an outpost.

[Vistulange]

I think the point Liber is trying to make is that "we should have our bloods boiling as they've dared to do this", or something along those lines. Haven't quite got the connection with the YPG myself.

Well,that and Turkeys attack on US troops are both deliberate "shows of strength" by Erdogan. Who honestly does not give a fuck about being an ally.

And - Erdoğan has survived in power for 16 years by doing such ham-fisted shows of strength, by doing something that could actually provoke a real response? Please.

This guy's career is built on careful manipulation of actors through precise action. He's not going to order a bloody mortar strike on American positions just to look good to his constituency.

[I dont even know who to root for]

Well yes, but I don't see how that is an answer to the other person's claim that Turkey is a valuable ally.

Simple, they can't be allies because they beat up American protesters in America.

Well, to let a strategic ally fall because off that is harming on the long term.

Doesn't mean what they did should go unpunished, but to say that they are a bad ally for that - I disagree with it. Turkey buys US arms, they're on a strategic location and they're have some limited shared interests in Syria until the Obama administration.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That doesn't invalidate his point.

I think the point Liber is trying to make is that "we should have our bloods boiling as they've dared to do this", or something along those lines. Haven't quite got the connection with the YPG myself.

I'm saying we should be weary of having an ally like that. Turkey tries to suppress even international criticism. Through, admittedly, our current bar for admitting allies is very low.

[I dont even know who to root for]

Syrian Kurdish officials say they will work with Assad forces to repel Turkish offensive and to capture areas held by Turkey

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13- ... -work-with

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status ... 9121785866

[Vistulange]

I think the point Liber is trying to make is that "we should have our bloods boiling as they've dared to do this", or something along those lines. Haven't quite got the connection with the YPG myself.

I'm saying we should be weary of having an ally like that. Turkey tries to suppress even international criticism. Through, admittedly, our current bar for admitting allies is very low.

I was going to say that. It's a bit odd to be complaining about Turkey when Trump is cozying up with Muhammad bin Salman and so on. Then again, you didn't all vote for him.

Like we didn't all vote for Erdoğan. Just a reminder.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Being left-wing isn't their only similarity. If you looked at Rojava and Anti-Fascist movements with more nuance than just stereotypes, you'd know why Anti-Fascists so strongly support Rojava.

Either way, I'm happy yet shocked to hear that the far-left and Israel now share common ground.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/0 ... kurdistan/

“CNN told me that Israel bad. CNN also told me that YPG good. Israel supports kurdistan. The laws of physics have been broken!!!”

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Syrian Kurdish officials say they will work with Assad forces to repel Turkish offensive and to capture areas held by Turkey

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13- ... -work-with

Amazing!

[Ifreann]

Either way, I'm happy yet shocked to hear that the far-left and Israel now share common ground.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/0 ... kurdistan/

“CNN told me that Israel bad. CNN also told me that YPG good. Israel supports kurdistan. The laws of physics have been broken!!!”

Imagine being so far right that you think leftists like CNN.

[Loben The 2nd]

Syrian Kurdish officials say they will work with Assad forces to repel Turkish offensive and to capture areas held by Turkey

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13- ... -work-with

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status ... 9121785866

wow, they must be desperate.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm saying we should be weary of having an ally like that. Turkey tries to suppress even international criticism. Through, admittedly, our current bar for admitting allies is very low.

I was going to say that. It's a bit odd to be complaining about Turkey when Trump is cozying up with Muhammad bin Salman and so on. Then again, you didn't all vote for him.

Like we didn't all vote for Erdoğan. Just a reminder.

I criticize the crown prince and Trump kissing his ass, just not in this thread, as that would be threadjacking.

[Vistulange]

Syrian Kurdish officials say they will work with Assad forces to repel Turkish offensive and to capture areas held by Turkey

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13- ... -work-with

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status ... 9121785866

wow, they must be desperate.

It's worth mentioning that despite its officer corps being hamstrung, the Turkish Armed Forces is quite experienced, having fought the PKK for more or less forty years. That's not to say it's a superhuman fighting force, obviously, but still, it's got the funding and it's got the experience in the region.

[I dont even know who to root for]

Syrian Kurdish officials say they will work with Assad forces to repel Turkish offensive and to capture areas held by Turkey

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13- ... -work-with

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status ... 9121785866

wow, they must be desperate.

I wonder what the Turkish Armed Forces capabilities are. They took 3-4 days in encircling and taking two villages of 10.000 people. Quite a long time if you ask me. Only infiltrated the M5 highway merely in four days.

[SD_Film Artists]

Either way, I'm happy yet shocked to hear that the far-left and Israel now share common ground.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/0 ... kurdistan/

“CNN told me that Israel bad. CNN also told me that YPG good. Israel supports kurdistan. The laws of physics have been broken!!!”

First this, next we'll establish zionism as a key pillar of socialism. The UK Labour party will implode!

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

No, I don't want a U.S. puppet state in Turkey. All I want is for them to get the fuck out of Syria, mind their own business, and actually respect secular democratic values.

Yes, but tell us, how would you actually put that into practice? So you've done away with Erdoğan in a coup d'etat, he's either imprisoned or executed, his "Islamist goons" are - assuming you've come up with an operational definition for that - are also imprisoned, executed, or otherwise unable to participate in politics...

...you do realise that's literally what the Republic did between 1923-1980?

"Islamist goons" in this case basically means any politician affiliated with the AKP, MHP, or the cabinet of Erdogan. As for how I would initiate the democratization of Turkey, I would have rescinded all of the draconian laws, restrictions and decrees Erdogan enacted to strengthen his power (Such as the latest 2018 "anti-terror" law which de-facto perpetuates the state of emergency or the amendments approved in the 2017 referendum that transformed Turkey into a presidential republic), release all political prisoners and journalists who were persecuted by Erdogan's regime (Including Selehattin Demirtas), abort the offensive in Syria and halt all aid towards the FSA, and hold a emergency snap election with all parties and candidates allowed to campaign unmolested and to their fullest extent in order to transition towards a duly-elected civilian government.

[Torrocca]

So, apparently the Turkish air force bombed a civilian convoy fleeing south from the border and the Turkish army shelled some villages too.

[Loben The 2nd]

wow, they must be desperate.

It's worth mentioning that despite its officer corps being hamstrung, the Turkish Armed Forces is quite experienced, having fought the PKK for more or less forty years. That's not to say it's a superhuman fighting force, obviously, but still, it's got the funding and it's got the experience in the region.

i have nothing but the upmost respect for the Turkish army for they have inherited many glorious traditions.

and i do not worry about an enemy that has spent 8 years in a high intensity war with itself.

[I dont even know who to root for]

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[Loben The 2nd]

wow, they must be desperate.

I wonder what the Turkish Armed Forces capabilities are. They took 3-4 days in encircling and taking two villages of 10.000 people. Quite a long time if you ask me. Only infiltrated the M5 highway merely in four days.

irc standard MO is using miltia style guys as a sort of probe.

if rojava is losing to them, might as well take it slow.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

“CNN told me that Israel bad. CNN also told me that YPG good. Israel supports kurdistan. The laws of physics have been broken!!!”

Imagine being so far right that you think leftists like CNN.

Imagine thinking I’m far right

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Being left-wing isn't their only similarity. If you looked at Rojava and Anti-Fascist movements with more nuance than just stereotypes, you'd know why Anti-Fascists so strongly support Rojava.

I see… Rojava jails the opposition while Antifa hits them in the head with bike locks

I'm not going to refute your point with a Tu quoque and you do have a good one that I agree with, but I'm not going to lie, it is ironic for you to complain about suppressing opposition.

[Loben The 2nd]

Turkey notified its backed militias to withdraw from the areas they gained from the SDF, to avoid any clashes with the SAA or RuAF

But some tough FSA commanders refused to do so, i guess Turkey will bomb them not any one else

YOU CANT MAKE THIS UP. ASSAD LITERALLY CUCKED ERDOGAN OUT OF THIS

https://twitter.com/Syrian_MC/status/11 ... 2489827332

welp, Rojava lives to be terrorized by turkey another day.

[SD_Film Artists]

Syrian Kurdish officials say they will work with Assad forces to repel Turkish offensive and to capture areas held by Turkey

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13- ... -work-with

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status ... 9121785866

I thought the Assad regime were critical of both sides- Turkey for crossing its boarders and Rojava for splitting up the country. It makes you wonder what the price was for this alliance.