Turkish military offensive in Syria/Rojava

[Napkizemlja]

You do release that AI asks the US military to be mindful of civilian casualties in Afghanistan, correct?

Which isn't any better, shockingly enough. Asking invading forces to mind the rule of law is a chickenshit response to war crimes in action.

You do realize that the US has been fighting to keep a very oppressive group of people from reconquering Afghanistan correct? And what do you expect AI to do? Send an army to stop violators?

[Napkizemlja]

The Turks are horrible and we have let them get away with garbage far before any of us on this website were alive. We have not done anything. The politicians who turn a blind eye to Turkey's crimes are to blame. If you blame one person, you blame everyone, including yourself. Almost everyone, essentially, who is older than my age-group would be responsible then for the death of the American Dream and would be a traitor, yourself included. What good does it do to point fingers and to call others traitors? How does it bring us together?

You're right. Just Genocide is something that deeply distresses me. I'm only human.

And unlike other politicians I'm willing to show it and admit my mistakes-like this one.

Proofs. A Doodle. Doo.

[Flawless Walruses]

Turkey could do far better, but politics is the art of the possible, and PKK terrorism is the wrong tool at the wrong time.

I thought we were talking about Rojava?

Bolded for you.

That's in Raqqa. The YPG erected that Ocalan billboard to remind their Arab subjects who was boss now.

Ocalan is the most interesting and educated terrorist leader I know of, but the YPG cult-of-personality around him is creepy, and I have no trouble envisaging why Ergodan wants to break up the cozy little sanctuary they have just over his border.

[Napkizemlja]

I like how the Kurds can get away with recruiting child soldiers and drug trafficking because reasons. Also iirc they used to just straight up kidnap people and force them to fight for them. The good ol' press gang.

[Neko-koku]

I like how the Kurds can get away with recruiting child soldiers and drug trafficking because reasons. Also iirc they used to just straight up kidnap people and force them to fight for them. The good ol' press gang.

Evidence?

[Torrocca]

Which isn't any better, shockingly enough. Asking invading forces to mind the rule of law is a chickenshit response to war crimes in action.

You do realize that the US has been fighting to keep a very oppressive group of people from reconquering Afghanistan correct? And what do you expect AI to do? Send an army to stop violators?

I'd expect a response that explicitly condemns an illegal invasion, for starters.

I thought we were talking about Rojava?

Bolded for you.


That's in Raqqa.

Ocalan is the most interesting and educated terrorist leader I know of, but the YPD cult-of-personality around him is creepy, and I have no trouble envisaging why Ergodan wants to break up the cozy little sanctuary they have just over his border.

Rojava is built around Ocalan's vision of Democratic Confederalism. That's why they adore him. Simple.

[Neko-koku]

As usual in any ethnic conflict both sides are irrational and absurd.

[Chernoslavia]

The Turks are horrible and we have let them get away with garbage far before any of us on this website were alive. We have not done anything. The politicians who turn a blind eye to Turkey's crimes are to blame. If you blame one person, you blame everyone, including yourself. Almost everyone, essentially, who is older than my age-group would be responsible then for the death of the American Dream and would be a traitor, yourself included. What good does it do to point fingers and to call others traitors? How does it bring us together?

You're right. Just Genocide is something that deeply distresses me. I'm only human.

And unlike other politicians I'm willing to show it and admit my mistakes-like this one.

But like other people virtue signaling about it you're contempt with doing just that so long as your actions don't require going anywhere or doing anything about it.

[Napkizemlja]

I like how the Kurds can get away with recruiting child soldiers and drug trafficking because reasons. Also iirc they used to just straight up kidnap people and force them to fight for them. The good ol' press gang.

Evidence?

https://www.mei.edu/publications/child-soldiers-and-ypg
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10576100701558620
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/03/syria-armed-group-recruiting-children-camps

[Nakena]

As usual in any ethnic conflict both sides are irrational and absurd.

War. War never changes.

Rojava is built around Ocalan's vision of Democratic Confederalism. That's why they adore him. Simple.

[Rojava Free State]

You're right. Just Genocide is something that deeply distresses me. I'm only human.

And unlike other politicians I'm willing to show it and admit my mistakes-like this one.

Proofs. A Doodle. Doo.

You seriously trust the wannabe dictator of turkey?

[Neko-koku]

Evidence?

https://www.mei.edu/publications/child-soldiers-and-ypg
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10576100701558620
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/03/syria-armed-group-recruiting-children-camps

OK. What about drugs?

[Luminesa]

Apparently asking for both sides to mind civilian casualties is bad now. Kurds get a free pass on shelling school kids.

Asking both sides to mind civilian casualties when one side has objectively been fighting to save lives and the other is only fighting for conquest and slaughter is a load of callous bullshit.

I mean...yeah, the Kurds have been helping us against ISIS...but it doesn't mean they're perfect angels either. Now, should we utterly abandon the people helping us fight ISIS? No. But the story's not all black and white. That's just the tragedy of it.

[Luminesa]

The Turks are horrible and we have let them get away with garbage far before any of us on this website were alive. We have not done anything. The politicians who turn a blind eye to Turkey's crimes are to blame. If you blame one person, you blame everyone, including yourself. Almost everyone, essentially, who is older than my age-group would be responsible then for the death of the American Dream and would be a traitor, yourself included. What good does it do to point fingers and to call others traitors? How does it bring us together?

You're right. Just Genocide is something that deeply distresses me. I'm only human.

And unlike other politicians I'm willing to show it and admit my mistakes-like this one.

But you haven't done anything, that's the crazy thing. You haven't killed the American Dream and you're not a genocide-supporter. Giving into anger is not going to make the Turks suddenly stop hating the Kurds, and it's not going to make either side perfect heroes either.

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/ ... 409300.htm

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1195 ... ek-islands

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/ottoma ... president/

https://newspunch.com/erdogan-sweden-kurdish-genocide/

Why the actual fuck are we not absolutely livid that this madman is invading syria? Jesus Christ I can't imagine what would have happened to Europe if our policy toward the Nazis was the same

[Chernoslavia]

Asking both sides to mind civilian casualties when one side has objectively been fighting to save lives and the other is only fighting for conquest and slaughter is a load of callous bullshit.

I mean...yeah, the Kurds have been helping us against ISIS...but it doesn't mean they're perfect angels either. Now, should we utterly abandon the people helping us fight ISIS? No. But the story's not all black and white. That's just the tragedy of it.

To Torrocca so long as they're Socialist, they're automatically better than the Turks, never mind the atrocities they committed themselves.

[Napkizemlja]

Proofs. A Doodle. Doo.

You seriously trust the wannabe dictator of turkey?

If people are expecting the West to stick its dick into the situation there better be some pretty solid proofs. And no, civilians dying in normal combat operations doesn't count.

I wonder where all of these people were, raging for the West to send boots on the ground for Darfur, or Myanmar, or the Bahai's in Iran.

[Chernoslavia]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/erdogan-armenia-genocide-blackmail-turkey-160604151409300.htm

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1195 ... ek-islands

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/ottoma ... president/

https://newspunch.com/erdogan-sweden-kurdish-genocide/

Why the actual fuck are we not absolutely livid that this madman is invading syria? Jesus Christ I can't imagine what would have happened to Europe if our policy toward the Nazis was the same

Except it really isn't Nazis vs all of Europe. More like Nazis vs the USSR. Just two bullies duking it out.

[Loben The 2nd]

OK. What about drugs?

did you not read the second link?

real big pieces of shit are they?

[Rojava Free State]

You seriously trust the wannabe dictator of turkey?

If people are expecting the West to stick its dick into the situation there better be some pretty solid proofs. And no, civilians dying in normal combat operations doesn't count.

I wonder where all of these people were, raging for the West to send boots on the ground for Darfur, or Myanmar, or the Bahai's in Iran.

Lmao maybe I just don't respect throwing our allies under the bus after they helped us

As for your "WhErEs tHe PrOoF" crap : https://newspunch.com/erdogan-sweden-kurdish-genocide/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 35951.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 35951.html

Proof a doodle doo, Turkey has gone fascist

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/erdogan-armenia-genocide-blackmail-turkey-160604151409300.htm

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1195 ... ek-islands

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/ottoma ... president/

https://newspunch.com/erdogan-sweden-kurdish-genocide/

Why the actual fuck are we not absolutely livid that this madman is invading syria? Jesus Christ I can't imagine what would have happened to Europe if our policy toward the Nazis was the same

Except it really isn't Nazis vs all of Europe. More like Nazis vs the USSR. Just two bullies duking it out.

And then they invaded France

[Luminesa]

But you haven't done anything, that's the crazy thing. You haven't killed the American Dream and you're not a genocide-supporter. Giving into anger is not going to make the Turks suddenly stop hating the Kurds, and it's not going to make either side perfect heroes either.

My mistake was the language I used and the anger.

It's okay. We have to try and do what we can ourselves...which in this situation is not much. What will probably happen is more skirmishing between Turkey and the Kurds, which is not anything new, but now they'll just chase them to new territory.

[Torrocca]

I mean...yeah, the Kurds have been helping us against ISIS...but it doesn't mean they're perfect angels either. Now, should we utterly abandon the people helping us fight ISIS? No. But the story's not all black and white. That's just the tragedy of it.

To Torrocca so long as they're Socialist, they're automatically better than the Turks, never mind the atrocities they committed themselves.

Because I don't want a genocide to happen, that obviously means that I think Kurds are naturally better than Turks. What an absolute bullshit line of thinking. Not that I'd expect anything better, considering you're more concerned with bitching about "virtue signaling" than this atrocious invasion of Northern Syria at the hands of Erdogan's regime.

[Rojava Free State]

I wonder where all of these people were, raging for the West to send boots on the ground for Darfur, or Myanmar, or the Bahai's in Iran.

*coughs*




We weren't there at the time in those countries like we were now....It's a different situation.......
To use Bill Clinton much to my dismay:

"It's the context, stupid."

I'm becoming convinced that nap is a Turkish nationalist. He sure seems hellbent on defending erdogan and excusing America basically abandoning the people who aided us.

[SD_Film Artists]

As usual in any ethnic conflict both sides are irrational and absurd.

It can get tiring keeping up with all the 'ists' and 'isms' in this thread and the surrounding subject. Still my sympathies are with the kurds as like I said before, they're one of the few factions there who aren't jihadists, Iranian puppets or the Syrian government; that and they were doing the hard work fighting ISIS on the ground.