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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:14 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.


"this unironic terrorist group is preferable to a elected leader of a republic which said group has been at war with for at least a few decades!"

https://ahvalnews.com/authoritarianism/ ... horitarian
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/busi ... risis.html
Lol. "Elected" my ass.

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Loben The 2nd
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Right-wing Utopia

Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
"this unironic terrorist group is preferable to a elected leader of a republic which said group has been at war with for at least a few decades!"

https://ahvalnews.com/authoritarianism/ ... horitarian
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/busi ... risis.html
Lol. "Elected" my ass.


if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Chestaan wrote:
The PKK abandoned Stalinism long ago and are now Libertarian Socialists.


"Libertarian socialism" and other white lies you can tell children.

It's debatable if they are communist. What is not debatable, is that they are quite far-left.
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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:16 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
"Libertarian socialism" and other white lies you can tell children.

It's debatable if they are communist. What is not debatable, is that they are quite far-left.


which is part of the reason why half this site (among others) are up in arms.
Eternal Lotharia wrote:You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.

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Eternal Lotharia
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:18 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:


if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition

Some tried. Erdogan staffed his military with Loyalists.


Turkey's Putinist now but also genocidal.
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Loben The 2nd
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Right-wing Utopia

Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:19 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition

Some tried. Erdogan staffed his military with Loyalists.


Turkey's Putinist now but also genocidal.


Chechnya would like a moment of your time.
Eternal Lotharia wrote:You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.

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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:19 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:


if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition

The military is fully behind Erdogan after he centralized his power even more over the last few years, and its still debatable whether the 2016 coup attempt was a genuine attempt at a revolution, or just a mirage designed to give Erdogan a excuse to go full dictator mode. Either way, the Army is under his control now, and there won't be another putsch anytime soon.

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Eternal Lotharia
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:19 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It's debatable if they are communist. What is not debatable, is that they are quite far-left.


which is part of the reason why half this site (among others) are up in arms.

So "Genocide and oppress a people who want independence because their leaders are far-left"?

You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.
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Neko-koku
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Founded: Jul 29, 2019
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Postby Neko-koku » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:20 pm

This is a sad event.

Daily reminder that ethnic groups are made up and only clines (usually known as "races") exist and do have effects.
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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:20 pm

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition

The military is fully behind Erdogan after he centralized his power even more over the last few years, and its still debatable whether the 2016 coup attempt was a genuine attempt at a revolution, or just a mirage designed to give Erdogan a excuse to go full dictator mode. Either way, the Army is under his control now, and there won't be another putsch anytime soon.


then all this is about "edrogan bad" is just bluster.
Eternal Lotharia wrote:You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.

Satisfaction guaranteed.

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Eternal Lotharia
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:21 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Some tried. Erdogan staffed his military with Loyalists.


Turkey's Putinist now but also genocidal.


Chechnya would like a moment of your time.

Chechnya is a mess that would derail the thread so let's focus.
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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:21 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
which is part of the reason why half this site (among others) are up in arms.

So "Genocide and oppress a people who want independence because their leaders are far-left"?

You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.



quoted.
Eternal Lotharia wrote:You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.

Satisfaction guaranteed.

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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:21 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It's debatable if they are communist. What is not debatable, is that they are quite far-left.


which is part of the reason why half this site (among others) are up in arms.

It, admittedly, is somewhat better than Erdogan's far-right regime of terror.
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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:22 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
which is part of the reason why half this site (among others) are up in arms.

It, admittedly, is somewhat better than Erdogan's far-right regime of terror.


is it?
Eternal Lotharia wrote:You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.

Satisfaction guaranteed.

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Eternal Lotharia
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:22 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:So "Genocide and oppress a people who want independence because their leaders are far-left"?

You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.



quoted.

So? It is-"Let people be genocided and oppressed because they're commies!"




That's genuinely fucking disgusting of you.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:22 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
who died and made you the spokesman for all of America?

Your words on this don't matter as you're part of the people who killed the American Dream. You're a traitor-not treason that'd be mental to suggest, just very immoral and cruel and spitting in the face of those who died in WW2 in Europe and the Holocaust.


Oh here we fucking go :roll:
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Eternal Lotharia
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:23 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It, admittedly, is somewhat better than Erdogan's far-right regime of terror.


is it?

Duh Erdogan is a horrible human rights abuser.
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Postby Neko-koku » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:23 pm

Erdogan is a dictator who needs to be removed ASAP. Just like Putin, Xi and Kim he needs to fuck off. Unlike Xi and Kim Erdogan is not Nuremberg Trials-worthy yet.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:24 pm

Amnesty International (the same Amnesty International that used blatantly false Turkish reports to falsely claim that the YPG were committing ethnic cleansing by removing civilians from booby-trapped villages that were recently liberated from ISIS) is currently on twitter both-sidesing a literal genocide in action.

Fuck them.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:24 pm

Neko-koku wrote:Erdogan is a dictator who needs to be removed ASAP. Just like Putin, Xi and Kim he needs to fuck off. Unlike Xi and Kim Erdogan is not Nuremberg Trials-worthy yet.

Yep.

Putin, ehhhhh......



50/50?
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Postby Flawless Walruses » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:24 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition

Some tried. Erdogan staffed his military with Loyalists.


Turkey's Putinist now but also genocidal.


Everything is a genocide these days, especially when I order pizza and it arrives cold.

Ergodan is not very nice, but his government is more democratic than the average US ally in the Middle East. He hasn't genocided any group, and has tolerated more Kurdish expression of identity than his predecessors in the period 1921-1999. He hasn't banned the language, as one obvious example.

Turkey could do far better, but politics is the art of the possible, and PKK terrorism is the wrong tool at the wrong time.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:25 pm

I'd like some evidence that Turkey is committing genocide against the Kurds in Rojava or is planning on it.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:25 pm

Torrocca wrote:Amnesty International (the same Amnesty International that used blatantly false Turkish reports to falsely claim that the YPG were committing ethnic cleansing by removing civilians from booby-trapped villages that were recently liberated from ISIS) is currently on twitter both-sidesing a literal genocide in action.

Fuck them.


What else you'd expect from them?
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Postby Neko-koku » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:25 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Erdogan is a dictator who needs to be removed ASAP. Just like Putin, Xi and Kim he needs to fuck off. Unlike Xi and Kim Erdogan is not Nuremberg Trials-worthy yet.

Yep.

Putin, ehhhhh......



50/50?


Not yet. Putin sucks but not at Sinosphere dictator level.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:26 pm

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Amnesty International (the same Amnesty International that used blatantly false Turkish reports to falsely claim that the YPG were committing ethnic cleansing by removing civilians from booby-trapped villages that were recently liberated from ISIS) is currently on twitter both-sidesing a literal genocide in action.

Fuck them.


What else you'd expect from them?


Nothing. It's still fucking heinous.
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"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
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