I'm not the one voicing support for Turkey's ethnic cleansing.
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by Chestaan » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:55 pm
by Torrocca » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:56 pm
Chestaan wrote:Torrocca wrote:It's going to be a literal fucking genocide. Fuck Turkey's Fascistic regime for doing this. Fuck Trump for opening the floodgates. The people of Northern Syria, Rojava, and the SDF deserve far better than this fate they've been condemned to. 11,000 of them didn't die fighting against ISIS's reign of terror for this shit.
Here's hoping the PKK step up their activities in Turkey.
by Nakena » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:57 pm
by SD_Film Artists » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:58 pm
by Wallenburg » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:58 pm
Confederate Norway wrote:Wallenburg wrote:|
They do. However, Turkey has demonstrated no desire to genocide Syrian Arabs, so that's not exactly an immediate issue here.
I disagree, If that were true they would be for U.S involvement before the Kurds where under threat from Turkey. It is clear they value Kurds more than majority of Syrians in the country.
Lost Memories wrote:The kurds are split across 4 different nations (Turkey, Syria, Irak, Iran), or atleast used to be, the ones in Turkey already got cropped.
So while both had to deal with the syrian civil war, and the isis trying to sneak in the while, their condition as populations isn't the same, the kurds are more vulnerable.
Specifically now, the news being discussed is about Turkey creating a "terror-free zone" inside kurdish territory, by very democratic means of bombing, so, for what concerns the news being discussed, the kurds are the ones drawing the short end of the stick, in multiple ways, which leads to them being pitiable.
I still do not understand why the people who were against U.S involvement in Syria are now all of a sudden supporting it do to a minority group in Syria being under threat. They care more about the small amount of Kurds well being more than the majority of Syrians. Even though the Kurds are being more oppressed than the Syrians it would make more sense to help the majority of Syrians being oppressed rather than just focusing on helping the minority of Kurds in Syria.
by The South Falls » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:58 pm
Nakena wrote:It would be best if Autonomous Kurdistan takes over Rojava instead of Erdogan.
by Wallenburg » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:00 pm
Nakena wrote:It would be best if Autonomous Kurdistan takes over Rojava instead of Erdogan.
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:00 pm
by Nakena » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:01 pm
The South Falls wrote:Nakena wrote:It would be best if Autonomous Kurdistan takes over Rojava instead of Erdogan.
It of would most likely be better for not only preserving their governmental style, but also for generally keeping intact the lives of their people. Erdogan may not spare those he believes to be unworthy, when he has the power to not do so.
Wallenburg wrote:Nakena wrote:It would be best if Autonomous Kurdistan takes over Rojava instead of Erdogan.
In the sense that Autonomous Kurdistan would merely oppress Kurds rather than ethnically cleanse them, yes.
by Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:06 pm
by The South Falls » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:08 pm
Nakena wrote:The South Falls wrote:It of would most likely be better for not only preserving their governmental style, but also for generally keeping intact the lives of their people. Erdogan may not spare those he believes to be unworthy, when he has the power to not do so.
The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.Wallenburg wrote:In the sense that Autonomous Kurdistan would merely oppress Kurds rather than ethnically cleanse them, yes.
How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.
So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:08 pm
Nakena wrote:The South Falls wrote:It of would most likely be better for not only preserving their governmental style, but also for generally keeping intact the lives of their people. Erdogan may not spare those he believes to be unworthy, when he has the power to not do so.
The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.Wallenburg wrote:In the sense that Autonomous Kurdistan would merely oppress Kurds rather than ethnically cleanse them, yes.
How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.
So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...
by Chestaan » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:08 pm
Nakena wrote:The South Falls wrote:It of would most likely be better for not only preserving their governmental style, but also for generally keeping intact the lives of their people. Erdogan may not spare those he believes to be unworthy, when he has the power to not do so.
The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.Wallenburg wrote:In the sense that Autonomous Kurdistan would merely oppress Kurds rather than ethnically cleanse them, yes.
How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.
So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...
by Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:10 pm
by Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:11 pm
Chestaan wrote:Nakena wrote:
The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.
How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.
So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...
The PKK abandoned Stalinism long ago and are now Libertarian Socialists.
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:11 pm
Chestaan wrote:Nakena wrote:
The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.
How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.
So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...
The PKK abandoned Stalinism long ago and are now Libertarian Socialists.
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:14 pm
Loben The 2nd wrote:Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.
"this unironic terrorist group is preferable to a elected leader of a republic which said group has been at war with for at least a few decades!"
by Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:15 pm
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:Loben The 2nd wrote:
"this unironic terrorist group is preferable to a elected leader of a republic which said group has been at war with for at least a few decades!"
https://ahvalnews.com/authoritarianism/ ... horitarian
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/busi ... risis.html
Lol. "Elected" my ass.
by The South Falls » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:15 pm
by Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:16 pm
by Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:19 pm
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:19 pm
Loben The 2nd wrote:Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:https://ahvalnews.com/authoritarianism/ ... horitarian
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/busi ... risis.html
Lol. "Elected" my ass.
if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition
by Neko-koku » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:20 pm
by Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:20 pm
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:Loben The 2nd wrote:
if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition
The military is fully behind Erdogan after he centralized his power even more over the last few years, and its still debatable whether the 2016 coup attempt was a genuine attempt at a revolution, or just a mirage designed to give Erdogan a excuse to go full dictator mode. Either way, the Army is under his control now, and there won't be another putsch anytime soon.
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