Turkish military offensive in Syria/Rojava

[Chestaan]

Here's hoping the PKK step up their activities in Turkey.

Encouraging terrorist acts already?

I'm not the one voicing support for Turkey's ethnic cleansing.

[Torrocca]

It's going to be a literal fucking genocide. Fuck Turkey's Fascistic regime for doing this. Fuck Trump for opening the floodgates. The people of Northern Syria, Rojava, and the SDF deserve far better than this fate they've been condemned to. 11,000 of them didn't die fighting against ISIS's reign of terror for this shit.

Here's hoping the PKK step up their activities in Turkey.

Whatever the Kurds end up doing in this situation, I cannot and will not condemn them for it. They're not going to go down without a fight, and it's going to be a fucking bloodbath that only Trump and Turkey's current regime can be truly blamed for. Fuck the genocidal bastards doing this shit.

[Nakena]

It would be best if Autonomous Kurdistan takes over Rojava instead of Erdogan.

[SD_Film Artists]

Is it not true? We basically are allowing our allies to die. That makes us backstabbers

Dont think of em as Allies.

think of them as.......Landskneckt.

It will be harder to obtain more Landskneckt if America keeps stabbing them in the back.

[Wallenburg]

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They do. However, Turkey has demonstrated no desire to genocide Syrian Arabs, so that's not exactly an immediate issue here.

I disagree, If that were true they would be for U.S involvement before the Kurds where under threat from Turkey. It is clear they value Kurds more than majority of Syrians in the country.

Not all forms of involvement in the Syria civil war mean protecting the Kurds from Turkey. More shocking facts to come.

The kurds are split across 4 different nations (Turkey, Syria, Irak, Iran), or atleast used to be, the ones in Turkey already got cropped.

So while both had to deal with the syrian civil war, and the isis trying to sneak in the while, their condition as populations isn't the same, the kurds are more vulnerable.
Specifically now, the news being discussed is about Turkey creating a "terror-free zone" inside kurdish territory, by very democratic means of bombing, so, for what concerns the news being discussed, the kurds are the ones drawing the short end of the stick, in multiple ways, which leads to them being pitiable.

I still do not understand why the people who were against U.S involvement in Syria are now all of a sudden supporting it do to a minority group in Syria being under threat. They care more about the small amount of Kurds well being more than the majority of Syrians. Even though the Kurds are being more oppressed than the Syrians it would make more sense to help the majority of Syrians being oppressed rather than just focusing on helping the minority of Kurds in Syria.

It really wouldn't though. The totality of protecting Syrian national Kurds involves keeping Turkey and Syria from genociding them, and helping them mop up ISIS. The question of protecting Syrians in government and rebel-controlled Syria is far more complicated, considering the government of Syria is a major oppressor in the equation.

[The South Falls]

It would be best if Autonomous Kurdistan takes over Rojava instead of Erdogan.

It of would most likely be better for not only preserving their governmental style, but also for generally keeping intact the lives of their people. Erdogan may not spare those he believes to be unworthy, when he has the power to not do so.

[Wallenburg]

It would be best if Autonomous Kurdistan takes over Rojava instead of Erdogan.

In the sense that Autonomous Kurdistan would merely oppress Kurds rather than ethnically cleanse them, yes.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Here's hoping the PKK step up their activities in Turkey.

Encouraging terrorist acts already?

The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.

[Nakena]

It would be best if Autonomous Kurdistan takes over Rojava instead of Erdogan.

It of would most likely be better for not only preserving their governmental style, but also for generally keeping intact the lives of their people. Erdogan may not spare those he believes to be unworthy, when he has the power to not do so.

The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.

It would be best if Autonomous Kurdistan takes over Rojava instead of Erdogan.

In the sense that Autonomous Kurdistan would merely oppress Kurds rather than ethnically cleanse them, yes.

How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.

Encouraging terrorist acts already?

The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.

So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...

[Loben The 2nd]

you see Nakena, we may finally see communism be achieved with rojava!

[The South Falls]

It of would most likely be better for not only preserving their governmental style, but also for generally keeping intact the lives of their people. Erdogan may not spare those he believes to be unworthy, when he has the power to not do so.

The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.

In the sense that Autonomous Kurdistan would merely oppress Kurds rather than ethnically cleanse them, yes.

How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.

The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.

So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...

Can we acquire an X-files theme CD?

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

It of would most likely be better for not only preserving their governmental style, but also for generally keeping intact the lives of their people. Erdogan may not spare those he believes to be unworthy, when he has the power to not do so.

The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.

In the sense that Autonomous Kurdistan would merely oppress Kurds rather than ethnically cleanse them, yes.

How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.

The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.

So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...

Abdullah Öcalan is not a Stalinist though (How on earth can a libertarian socialist who collaborated with Murray Bookchin be a Stalinist is beyond me), and if you bothered to take a look at his actual ideology, you would very quickly notice the stark differences between his democratic confederalism and Stalin's form of Marxism-Leninism:
https://komun-academy.com/2018/11/22/th ... ederalism/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Öcalan#Democratic_confederalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
Compare that to Stalinism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-revisionism

[Chestaan]

It of would most likely be better for not only preserving their governmental style, but also for generally keeping intact the lives of their people. Erdogan may not spare those he believes to be unworthy, when he has the power to not do so.

The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.

In the sense that Autonomous Kurdistan would merely oppress Kurds rather than ethnically cleanse them, yes.

How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.

The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.

So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...

The PKK abandoned Stalinism long ago and are now Libertarian Socialists.

[Loben The 2nd]

Encouraging terrorist acts already?

The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.

"this unironic terrorist group is preferable to a elected leader of a republic which said group has been at war with for at least a few decades!"

[Loben The 2nd]

The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.



How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.



So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...

The PKK abandoned Stalinism long ago and are now Libertarian Socialists.

"Libertarian socialism" and other white lies you can tell children.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

The thing is, the governmental style of Rojava (which makes it so interesting for so many) might not what it appears to be.



How would they oppress them? Autonomous Kurdistan is a free, prosperous and proud, democratic region that also fought to no little part against ISIS over the past couple of years.



So a stalinist regime under Ocalan as supreme leader with cult of personality? This sounds like a good idea for an NS nation. Not so nice to live in that though...

The PKK abandoned Stalinism long ago and are now Libertarian Socialists.

Indeed, and Öcalan if anything is much more closer to Nestor Makhno or Alexander Berkman than Joseph Stalin or Vladimir Lenin.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

The PKK would be much more preferable than Recep Turnip Erdodog's Islamist Reign of Terror across Anatolia.

"this unironic terrorist group is preferable to a elected leader of a republic which said group has been at war with for at least a few decades!"

https://ahvalnews.com/authoritarianism/ ... horitarian
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/busi ... risis.html
Lol. "Elected" my ass.

[Loben The 2nd]

"this unironic terrorist group is preferable to a elected leader of a republic which said group has been at war with for at least a few decades!"

https://ahvalnews.com/authoritarianism/ ... horitarian
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/busi ... risis.html
Lol. "Elected" my ass.

if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition

[The South Falls]

The PKK abandoned Stalinism long ago and are now Libertarian Socialists.

"Libertarian socialism" and other white lies you can tell children.

It's debatable if they are communist. What is not debatable, is that they are quite far-left.

[Loben The 2nd]

"Libertarian socialism" and other white lies you can tell children.

It's debatable if they are communist. What is not debatable, is that they are quite far-left.

which is part of the reason why half this site (among others) are up in arms.

[Loben The 2nd]

if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition

Some tried. Erdogan staffed his military with Loyalists.


Turkey's Putinist now but also genocidal.

Chechnya would like a moment of your time.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

https://ahvalnews.com/authoritarianism/ ... horitarian
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/busi ... risis.html
Lol. "Elected" my ass.

if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition

The military is fully behind Erdogan after he centralized his power even more over the last few years, and its still debatable whether the 2016 coup attempt was a genuine attempt at a revolution, or just a mirage designed to give Erdogan a excuse to go full dictator mode. Either way, the Army is under his control now, and there won't be another putsch anytime soon.

[Neko-koku]

This is a sad event.

Daily reminder that ethnic groups are made up and only clines (usually known as "races") exist and do have effects.

[Loben The 2nd]

if the turkish military has a problem with it they can always coup his ass like the time honored tradition

The military is fully behind Erdogan after he centralized his power even more over the last few years, and its still debatable whether the 2016 coup attempt was a genuine attempt at a revolution, or just a mirage designed to give Erdogan a excuse to go full dictator mode. Either way, the Army is under his control now, and there won't be another putsch anytime soon.

then all this is about "edrogan bad" is just bluster.

[Loben The 2nd]

which is part of the reason why half this site (among others) are up in arms.

So "Genocide and oppress a people who want independence because their leaders are far-left"?

You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.

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