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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:13 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
Ifreann wrote:German Nazi groups these days are more focussed on assassinating more politicians, so if it was a Nazi I'd expect it to be a lone wolf sort of thing, not a "sanctioned operation", so to speak.

The whole NSU affair kind of disagrees (note that the English wiki omits the issues with the German security apparatus, which was present at at least one murder with a Nazi-sympathiser/actual Nazi, and which tried really hard to ignore the NSU's existence while trying to pin narcotics crimes on the dead victims).

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Postby Katganistan » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:31 am

Bolivarian Amerikwa wrote:
Risottia wrote:Also, OP, what's YOUR opinion?

It's bad, killing people is bad and you shouldn't do it. I once lent a Jewish mate of mine fifty dollars, later he told me that there was no way he could repay me the forty dollars, he didn't have the thirty dollars I gave him on his person and that the most he could give me was twenty, but you don't see me shooting up a synagogue. Reasonable people do not commit terrorist attacks and we should aspire to be reasonable people.


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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:44 am

According to footage that shows supposedly the attacker he seems to be wearing some kind of LARPing tier gear with helmet and rifle.

I guess he's a very angry goy, with an very bad planing and operational skill, for he did not even have scouted the place properly to begin with. Or else the result would be much more gruesome.

The Kebab store is likely an opportunity target after he failed to enter the primary one.

Also theres a second shooter who is on the run.
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Postby Pacomia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:48 am

This is... worrying, to say the least. Let’s hope this doesn’t happen again, or else we might have a bigger problem on our hands.
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Postby Luziyca » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:44 am

I am convinced that the perpetrator(s) are Nazis: a synagogue and a kebab shop being targeted does give credence to the idea that the attackers are Nazis.

Hope the perps are caught and punished as severely as possible under German law, and that nobody else gets hurt.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:56 am

I feel like half the people in this thread read nothing about what transpired, which is typical, but whatever.

A synagogue wasn't getting "shot up in Germany," the perp/perps fired rounds into a kebab shop before attempting to, but failing to enter, a synagogue down the road.
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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:02 am

Luziyca wrote:I am convinced that the perpetrator(s) are Nazis: a synagogue and a kebab shop being targeted does give credence to the idea that the attackers are Nazis.

Hope the perps are caught and punished as severely as possible under German law, and that nobody else gets hurt.


Honestly either Nazi or Radical Muslim both hate the Jews :meh:

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Postby Luziyca » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:02 am

Satuga wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I am convinced that the perpetrator(s) are Nazis: a synagogue and a kebab shop being targeted does give credence to the idea that the attackers are Nazis.

Hope the perps are caught and punished as severely as possible under German law, and that nobody else gets hurt.


Honestly either Nazi or Radical Muslim both hate the Jews :meh:

Yes, but targeting a kebab shop makes me more inclined to believe the former, unless that shop had the worst kebabs to ever be made in Germany.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:03 am

Satuga wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I am convinced that the perpetrator(s) are Nazis: a synagogue and a kebab shop being targeted does give credence to the idea that the attackers are Nazis.

Hope the perps are caught and punished as severely as possible under German law, and that nobody else gets hurt.


Honestly either Nazi or Radical Muslim both hate the Jews :meh:


At this juncture, before the police have claimed an official statement, wouldn't it make more sense to just calmly wait for the police to apprehend the second suspect and hope for the best, as opposed to running around speculating if it's Islamic extremists or Nazis?
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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:04 am

Major-Tom wrote:I feel like half the people in this thread read nothing about what transpired, which is typical, but whatever.

A synagogue wasn't getting "shot up in Germany," the perp/perps fired rounds into a kebab shop before attempting to, but failing to enter, a synagogue down the road.


Well their main target was obviously the synagogue as it has a higher concentration of people than some random kebab place or maybe it was their main target, but honestly we don't know what these people might have been thinking they're insane enough to kill random people for their belief so they're obviously a little out of it.

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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:11 am

Major-Tom wrote:
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Honestly either Nazi or Radical Muslim both hate the Jews :meh:


At this juncture, before the police have claimed an official statement, wouldn't it make more sense to just calmly wait for the police to apprehend the second suspect and hope for the best, as opposed to running around speculating if it's Islamic extremists or Nazis?


Or just watch the footage I linked earlier which supposedly shows the shooter.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:12 am

Nakena wrote:
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At this juncture, before the police have claimed an official statement, wouldn't it make more sense to just calmly wait for the police to apprehend the second suspect and hope for the best, as opposed to running around speculating if it's Islamic extremists or Nazis?


Or just watch the footage I linked earlier which supposedly shows the shooter.


And? How can you deduce someone's motivation by watching them fire a rifle?
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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:15 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Satuga wrote:
Honestly either Nazi or Radical Muslim both hate the Jews :meh:


At this juncture, before the police have claimed an official statement, wouldn't it make more sense to just calmly wait for the police to apprehend the second suspect and hope for the best, as opposed to running around speculating if it's Islamic extremists or Nazis?


Once they catch both of them we will know who they were and what hate group they belonged to, but as of right now all we can do is hope they catch the last culprit fast, speculate and wait.

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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:17 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Or just watch the footage I linked earlier which supposedly shows the shooter.


And? How can you deduce someone's motivation by watching them fire a rifle?


He seemed to have a whiter skin tone, but the lighting may be changing the skin tone so still we can't know for sure, but at least with that info the (one) shooter is leaning more towards nazi.

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Postby Dogmeat » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:39 am

I reserve judgement until there's more to go on. And I suggest you do the same.
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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:46 am

Dogmeat wrote:I reserve judgement until there's more to go on. And I suggest you do the same.


Not judging, speculating would be the better word, as I said before someone making a judgement and saying something like "It was the nazis! This is the Rights fault!" would be judgement and shouldn't be said because it projects nothing but what you want the situation to be rather than what it is.

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Postby Dogmeat » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:49 am

Satuga wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:I reserve judgement until there's more to go on. And I suggest you do the same.


Not judging, speculating would be the better word, as I said before someone making a judgement and saying something like "It was the nazis! This is the Rights fault!" would be judgement and shouldn't be said because it projects nothing but what you want the situation to be rather than what it is.

Just a few posts ago, you declared something that's not factually supported, "obvious." So... bullshit.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:50 am

And here we go:

Germany synagogue shooting: Suspect 'broadcast attack livestream on Twitch' and ranted about Holocaust, Jews and immigration

The man accused of attacking a synagogue in Germany broadcast his rampage on the Twitch live-streaming video platform.

Speaking in English, the man called himself "anon" and said he was a Holocaust denier.

“Feminism is the cause of declining birth rates in the West, which acts as a scapegoat for mass immigration, and the root of all these problems is the Jew,” he continued, while filming himself in a car before starting the attack.

The footage was verified by the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation (ICSR) at King's College London after being shared online.

Police said at least two people had been killed in Halle - outside the synagogue and at a nearby kebab shop - and a separate shooting was reported in a nearby town later on Wednesday.

Witnesses reported the gunman was wearing a helmet mounted with a camera and military-style clothing.

The footage, which has since been removed from the Twitch website - which focuses on video game streaming - appeared to be filmed by a head-mounted camera and showed the shooting from the attacker’s perspective

A similar broadcast was made by the Christchurch shooter, who used Facebook Live, and posted a “manifesto” espousing a theory that white people are being eradicated from Western nations on the 8chan image board.

The attack inspired copycat terrorists around the world, including in the UK, Norway and the American cities of El Paso and Poway - where a synagogue was attacked.

On the 4chan website, some posters were comparing the Halle shooter to “Saint [Brenton] Tarrant”, while another wrote: “Kill society, one lone gunman at a time. F***, I’m lovin it.”

Others ridiculed the shooter, who called himself a “loser” repeatedly in the video, for failing to kill more victims.


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Postby Dogmeat » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:52 am

Nakena wrote:And here we go:

Germany synagogue shooting: Suspect 'broadcast attack livestream on Twitch' and ranted about Holocaust, Jews and immigration

The man accused of attacking a synagogue in Germany broadcast his rampage on the Twitch live-streaming video platform.

Speaking in English, the man called himself "anon" and said he was a Holocaust denier.

“Feminism is the cause of declining birth rates in the West, which acts as a scapegoat for mass immigration, and the root of all these problems is the Jew,” he continued, while filming himself in a car before starting the attack.

The footage was verified by the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation (ICSR) at King's College London after being shared online.

Police said at least two people had been killed in Halle - outside the synagogue and at a nearby kebab shop - and a separate shooting was reported in a nearby town later on Wednesday.

Witnesses reported the gunman was wearing a helmet mounted with a camera and military-style clothing.

The footage, which has since been removed from the Twitch website - which focuses on video game streaming - appeared to be filmed by a head-mounted camera and showed the shooting from the attacker’s perspective

A similar broadcast was made by the Christchurch shooter, who used Facebook Live, and posted a “manifesto” espousing a theory that white people are being eradicated from Western nations on the 8chan image board.

The attack inspired copycat terrorists around the world, including in the UK, Norway and the American cities of El Paso and Poway - where a synagogue was attacked.

On the 4chan website, some posters were comparing the Halle shooter to “Saint [Brenton] Tarrant”, while another wrote: “Kill society, one lone gunman at a time. F***, I’m lovin it.”

Others ridiculed the shooter, who called himself a “loser” repeatedly in the video, for failing to kill more victims.


Sauce: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 49381.html

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Postby Cetacea » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:05 am

Satuga wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I am convinced that the perpetrator(s) are Nazis: a synagogue and a kebab shop being targeted does give credence to the idea that the attackers are Nazis.

Hope the perps are caught and punished as severely as possible under German law, and that nobody else gets hurt.


Honestly either Nazi or Radical Muslim both hate the Jews :meh:


if we are going to play Speculate, The Board Game

how about a Radical Christian - they hate Muslims and Jews equally

or maybe a Mad Atheist - they were going to target the catholics next

or ....

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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:06 am

Dogmeat wrote:
Satuga wrote:
Not judging, speculating would be the better word, as I said before someone making a judgement and saying something like "It was the nazis! This is the Rights fault!" would be judgement and shouldn't be said because it projects nothing but what you want the situation to be rather than what it is.

Just a few posts ago, you declared something that's not factually supported, "obvious." So... bullshit.


Yes the shooting target is what I declared "obvious". Let me ask you if you were trying to kill as many people as you could would you go to A) A small kebab shop or B) A much bigger synagogue? OBVIOUSLY you would choose B because it has much more people and therefore more potential kills. I didn't declare that I knew they were doing it in the name of Allah or racial purity Im using observation and inferring skills to guess the motive or culprit though I don't know for sure. You're taking 2 points and merging them together.

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Postby Duhon » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:07 am

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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:07 am

Dogmeat wrote:snip


4chan being the autists they are was pretty expected tbh.

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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:08 am

Satuga wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:snip


4chan being the autists they are was pretty expected tbh.


The reaction on /pol/ is mostly negative.
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