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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:19 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Honestly, ladies and gents. It costs nothing to wait for some sort of evidence on motive, but it costs your credibility if you jump wildly to completely the wrong conclusion out of a desire to pin it on your political boogeyman.

It's never the smart play.


I know for certain what happened. someone with issues shot at a house of worship and a kebab shop and people died.

You can't tell me that isn't factual
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:28 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Honestly, ladies and gents. It costs nothing to wait for some sort of evidence on motive, but it costs your credibility if you jump wildly to completely the wrong conclusion out of a desire to pin it on your political boogeyman.

It's never the smart play.


I know for certain what happened. someone with issues shot at a house of worship and a kebab shop and people died.

You can't tell me that isn't factual


Ah, but were the issues of Vogue or The Beano?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:33 am

Satuga wrote:Don't lynch me for this, but personally I think it might be a Muslim. As of recent a lot more immigration from the middle east has led to more Muslims in non Muslim countries which of course includes Germany. Now If you've been paying attention to Israel and the surrounding countries you should know more radical Muslims kind of despise Jews.

Either an Islamic fundamentalist or a Nazi. I lean towards the former as well, but the latter has been showing their faces a lot more though.
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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:34 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Satuga wrote:Don't lynch me for this, but personally I think it might be a Muslim. As of recent a lot more immigration from the middle east has led to more Muslims in non Muslim countries which of course includes Germany. Now If you've been paying attention to Israel and the surrounding countries you should know more radical Muslims kind of despise Jews.

Either an Islamic fundamentalist or a Nazi. I lean towards the former as well, but the latter has been showing their faces a lot more though.


Yeah either way one side of the political spectrum is going to take advantage of this to bash the other.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:41 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Satuga wrote:Don't lynch me for this, but personally I think it might be a Muslim. As of recent a lot more immigration from the middle east has led to more Muslims in non Muslim countries which of course includes Germany. Now If you've been paying attention to Israel and the surrounding countries you should know more radical Muslims kind of despise Jews.

Either an Islamic fundamentalist or a Nazi. I lean towards the former as well, but the latter has been showing their faces a lot more though.

German Nazi groups these days are more focussed on assassinating more politicians, so if it was a Nazi I'd expect it to be a lone wolf sort of thing, not a "sanctioned operation", so to speak.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:46 am

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Either an Islamic fundamentalist or a Nazi. I lean towards the former as well, but the latter has been showing their faces a lot more though.

German Nazi groups these days are more focussed on assassinating more politicians, so if it was a Nazi I'd expect it to be a lone wolf sort of thing, not a "sanctioned operation", so to speak.

There are plenty of lone wolves who would jump at a chance to commit an attack like this, both of the radical Muslim and Nazi variety.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:48 am

Satuga wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Either an Islamic fundamentalist or a Nazi. I lean towards the former as well, but the latter has been showing their faces a lot more though.


Yeah either way one side of the political spectrum is going to take advantage of this to bash the other.

It has already started.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:49 am

From the BBC article:
"The man came up to the doner shop, he threw something like a grenade, it didn't explode, and he opened fire with an assault rifle... I hid in the toilet," the witness told a TV reporter near the scene.


This is a tragedy, but at the same time, unintentionally hilarious.

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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:50 am

Alvecia wrote:
This is a tragedy, but at the same time, unintentionally hilarious.


He did what he had to, to survive even if it was hiding in the toilet :?

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:51 am

Satuga wrote:
Alvecia wrote:
This is a tragedy, but at the same time, unintentionally hilarious.


He did what he had to, to survive even if it was hiding in the toilet :?

Don't begrudge him that.
For me it's more about the failed grenade. Could almost be a comedy skit.
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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:52 am

Alvecia wrote:
Satuga wrote:
He did what he had to, to survive even if it was hiding in the toilet :?

Don't begrudge him that.
For me it's more about the failed grenade. Could almost be a comedy skit.


Oh....

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Postby Aclion » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:54 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Satuga wrote:Don't lynch me for this, but personally I think it might be a Muslim. As of recent a lot more immigration from the middle east has led to more Muslims in non Muslim countries which of course includes Germany. Now If you've been paying attention to Israel and the surrounding countries you should know more radical Muslims kind of despise Jews.

Either an Islamic fundamentalist or a Nazi. I lean towards the former as well, but the latter has been showing their faces a lot more though.

Do we even know they're the same attack?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:54 am

Jeeze. A grenade is like the simplest thing imaginable.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:55 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:Jeeze. A grenade is like the simplest thing imaginable.

I expect it malfunctioned. Probably soviet shit older then us.
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Postby Bolivarian Amerikwa » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:57 am

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Either an Islamic fundamentalist or a Nazi. I lean towards the former as well, but the latter has been showing their faces a lot more though.

Do we even know they're the same attack?

If two terrorist attacks were to just casually happen at the same place and time, it would probably be in Germany, so who knows
are you suggesting two people coordinated separate attacks?
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Postby Aclion » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:03 am

Bolivarian Amerikwa wrote:
Aclion wrote:Do we even know they're the same attack?

If two terrorist attacks were to just casually happen at the same place and time, it would probably be in Germany, so who knows
are you suggesting two people coordinated separate attacks?

Not necessarily. It could be coincidence. It could also be the same person attacking in multiple places.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:10 am

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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:11 am

Aclion wrote:
Bolivarian Amerikwa wrote:If two terrorist attacks were to just casually happen at the same place and time, it would probably be in Germany, so who knows
are you suggesting two people coordinated separate attacks?

Not necessarily. It could be coincidence. It could also be the same person attacking in multiple places.


From the information given, we know it's two suspects as one was already arrested and the other is on the run.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:13 am

Alvecia wrote:From the BBC article:
"The man came up to the doner shop, he threw something like a grenade, it didn't explode, and he opened fire with an assault rifle... I hid in the toilet," the witness told a TV reporter near the scene.


This is a tragedy, but at the same time, unintentionally hilarious.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:14 am

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Satuga wrote:Don't lynch me for this, but personally I think it might be a Muslim.

Yes, Muslims are notorious for firing shots at Döner Kebab shops in Germany.
:roll:

They are, yes. And for leaving handgrenades. excuting the owners etc.
But how much of that is Islam and how much is just a desire to feel like a mobster is another question.

I will guess neonazi. For now.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:26 am

Satuga wrote:
Aclion wrote:Not necessarily. It could be coincidence. It could also be the same person attacking in multiple places.


From the information given, we know it's two suspects as one was already arrested and the other is on the run.

We actually know the guy on the run isn't the guy who was arrested then?
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:43 am

Some asshole took "Remove Kebab" quite literally I see.
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Postby Satuga » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:43 am

Aclion wrote:
Satuga wrote:
From the information given, we know it's two suspects as one was already arrested and the other is on the run.

We actually know the guy on the run isn't the guy who was arrested then?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/europe/shooting-halle-germany-synagogue.html yup

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:45 am

Risottia wrote:From non-shitty sources:
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/heute/ha ... e-100.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49988482
https://www.euronews.com/2019/10/09/two ... t-shooting

"A witness told German n-tv news that a gunman in camouflage opened fire with an assault rifle on a Turkish kebab shop."
I think there's a bit of a difference between "shooting up a synagogue" and "opening fire on a kebab shop that's near a synagogue".

Also, OP, what's YOUR opinion?

The BBC article says he tried to get into the synagogue first and failed. So the synagogue was the target and belongs in the header
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Postby Nazis in Space » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:48 am

Ifreann wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Either an Islamic fundamentalist or a Nazi. I lean towards the former as well, but the latter has been showing their faces a lot more though.

German Nazi groups these days are more focussed on assassinating more politicians, so if it was a Nazi I'd expect it to be a lone wolf sort of thing, not a "sanctioned operation", so to speak.

The whole NSU affair kind of disagrees (note that the English wiki omits the issues with the German security apparatus, which was present at at least one murder with a Nazi-sympathiser/actual Nazi, and which tried really hard to ignore the NSU's existence while trying to pin narcotics crimes on the dead victims).

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