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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:05 pm
by Nakena
Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:

Now, can we please talk about anything else?


WWII yeah, no chance.

WWI is kind of debatable. Especially by the time they booted Russia from the war.

If America didn't get involved (that is, if Germany didn't have a dumbass submarine warfare policy), I think a German victory could be feasible.


It wouldn have brought certain wet dreams projections of some right-wingers here as the late German Empire was already on the road to becoming on a parliamentary democracy with christian and social democrats having the majority in parliament.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:08 pm
by Napkizemlja
Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:

Now, can we please talk about anything else?


WWII yeah, no chance.

WWI is kind of debatable. Especially by the time they booted Russia from the war.

If America didn't get involved (that is, if Germany didn't have a dumbass submarine warfare policy), I think a German victory could be feasible.

Not after Stalingrad anyway.

The failure of the Spring Offensive pretty much meant that there was no chance for them to win. Plan 1919 would have been one of the greatest offensives implemented and I can't really see the Germans being able to withstand it after the losses they suffered in both the Spring Offensive and the Hundred Days Offensive.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:09 pm
by Napkizemlja
Nakena wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
WWII yeah, no chance.

WWI is kind of debatable. Especially by the time they booted Russia from the war.

If America didn't get involved (that is, if Germany didn't have a dumbass submarine warfare policy), I think a German victory could be feasible.


It wouldn have brought certain wet dreams projections of some right-wingers here as the late German Empire was already on the road to becoming on a parliamentary democracy with christian and social democrats having the majority in parliament.

Not to mention being responsible for the rise of the Bolsheviks.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:10 pm
by Napkizemlja
People really need to stop taking Kaiserreich so seriously.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:10 pm
by Salus Maior
Nakena wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
WWII yeah, no chance.

WWI is kind of debatable. Especially by the time they booted Russia from the war.

If America didn't get involved (that is, if Germany didn't have a dumbass submarine warfare policy), I think a German victory could be feasible.


It wouldn have brought certain wet dreams projections of some right-wingers here as the late German Empire was already on the road to becoming on a parliamentary democracy with christian and social democrats having the majority in parliament.


And I'm ok with that.

In fact, I'm for that.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:15 pm
by Xuloqoia
Proctopeo wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Self-absorbed question, but I wondered what posters thought of my beliefs and how they fit on the political spectrum?

You're... complicated.
While you hold traditionalist positions, outside of that, you're not very right wing at all.
As others have said, some kind of esoteric third position is likely closest.


I mean, third position thought is rather... broad, no?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:16 pm
by Genivaria
Salus Maior wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It wouldn have brought certain wet dreams projections of some right-wingers here as the late German Empire was already on the road to becoming on a parliamentary democracy with christian and social democrats having the majority in parliament.


And I'm ok with that.

In fact, I'm for that.

That's an acceptable situation for me.
A moderate constitutional monarchy dominating central Europe.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:18 pm
by Nakena
Xuloqoia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:You're... complicated.
While you hold traditionalist positions, outside of that, you're not very right wing at all.
As others have said, some kind of esoteric third position is likely closest.


I mean, third position thought is rather... broad, no?


It's the dark and forbidden zone between the two ends of the Horseshoe, where the known laws of politics no longer apply.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:19 pm
by Xuloqoia
Nakena wrote:
Xuloqoia wrote:
I mean, third position thought is rather... broad, no?


It's the dark and forbidden zone between the two ends of the Horseshoe.


So basically centrism but with a pair of cool shades, then? ;)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:21 pm
by Salus Maior
Meligoland wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:People really need to stop taking Kaiserreich so seriously.

it's a great coping mechanism


Yeah...Pretty much.

*looks fondly at United States of Greater Austria*

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:21 pm
by Nakena
Xuloqoia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It's the dark and forbidden zone between the two ends of the Horseshoe.


So basically centrism but with a pair of cool shades, then? ;)


No that would be further up.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:21 pm
by Genivaria
Napkizemlja wrote:People really need to stop taking Kaiserreich so seriously.

Please I've moved on to Equestria At War. :D
https://equestria-at-war.fandom.com/wik ... t_War_Wiki

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:22 pm
by Genivaria
Salus Maior wrote:
Meligoland wrote:it's a great coping mechanism


Yeah...Pretty much.

*looks fondly at United States of Greater Austria*

Commonwealth of America. *sigh*

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:23 pm
by Kowani
Nakena wrote:
Xuloqoia wrote:
So basically centrism but with a pair of cool shades, then? ;)


No that would be further up.

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Can I just mention how utterly insufferable ancaps can be in a debate?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:23 pm
by Salus Maior
Genivaria wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah...Pretty much.

*looks fondly at United States of Greater Austria*

Commonwealth of America. *sigh*


...I hope you don't mean Pelley.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:23 pm
by Napkizemlja
Salus Maior wrote:
Meligoland wrote:it's a great coping mechanism


Yeah...Pretty much.

*looks fondly at United States of Greater Austria*

I hope you two both realize what Germany's plans were for Eastern Europe if they won WW1. Hint: not that far off from Nazi Germany's.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:24 pm
by Nakena
Kowani wrote:
Nakena wrote:
No that would be further up.

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Can I just mention how utterly insufferable ancaps can be in a debate?


Yeah. With anime girls like me you have more fun.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:24 pm
by Genivaria
Salus Maior wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Commonwealth of America. *sigh*


...I hope you don't mean Pelley.

I refuse to play as Pelley. Period.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:25 pm
by Salus Maior
Napkizemlja wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah...Pretty much.

*looks fondly at United States of Greater Austria*

I hope you two both realize what Germany's plans were for Eastern Europe if they won WW1. Hint: not that far off from Nazi Germany's.


It wasn't that harsh, iirc. At least not overall.

The Baltics were kind of screwed over, but as far as I'm aware the other states formed by the peace with Russia would be self-ruled puppets.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:25 pm
by Xuloqoia
Kowani wrote:
Nakena wrote:
No that would be further up.

Image

Can I just mention how utterly insufferable ancaps can be in a debate?


Are you referring to the events of last night? I mean, I viewed the whole debacle as a source of entertainment, tbh. It's fun to watch internet arguments, ngl.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:25 pm
by Salus Maior
Genivaria wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
...I hope you don't mean Pelley.

I refuse to play as Pelley. Period.


Good, good. Who else forms a "Commonwealth of America" in Kaiserreich? He's the only one I know of.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:26 pm
by Napkizemlja
Salus Maior wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:I hope you two both realize what Germany's plans were for Eastern Europe if they won WW1. Hint: not that far off from Nazi Germany's.


It wasn't that harsh, iirc. At least not overall.

The Baltics were kind of screwed over, but as far as I'm aware the other states formed by the peace with Russia would be self-ruled puppets.

No, it called for widespread ethnic cleansing to make way for German settlement. The token rump states would have just been that, token rump states.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:26 pm
by Proctopeo
Salus Maior wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I refuse to play as Pelley. Period.


Good, good. Who else forms a "Commonwealth of America" in Kaiserreich? He's the only one I know of.

I think one of the syndicalist factions does, too.
Which is less cursed only on the grounds that Pelley is... Pelley.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:27 pm
by Genivaria
Salus Maior wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I refuse to play as Pelley. Period.


Good, good. Who else forms a "Commonwealth of America" in Kaiserreich? He's the only one I know of.

It's one of the options that the Syndicalists can take, the other is basically a Soviet America.
I'm inspired by an old IWW called the Commonwealth of Toil.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:28 pm
by Salus Maior
Proctopeo wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Good, good. Who else forms a "Commonwealth of America" in Kaiserreich? He's the only one I know of.

I think one of the syndicalist factions does, too.
Which is less cursed only on the grounds that Pelley is... Pelley.


Yeah, Pelley is basically the Satan of Kaiserreich.