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Totally Not OEP wrote:

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>Tfw there's no United States of the Americas

2/10 timeline, m8. All of the Western Hemisphere is the rightful clay of the United States.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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I approve of the US annexing Mexico, but why not Canada as well?

Genivaria wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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I approve of the US annexing Mexico, but why not Canada as well?

Because OEP is trying to increase the Latina population of the US.

Nea Byzantia wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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Care to explain...

In early 1942, IGHQ dangled the possibility of attacking the Soviet Far East as a consolation prize given the cancellation of Kantokuen the previous year left the Kwantung Army very bitter. Here, enterprising officers of that same force start a border war, which sees the IJA, via artillery positions opposite Primorye and limited operations, cut the Trans-Siberian Railway; resource commitments elsewhere prevent the general offensive the Kwantung Army had been really wanting to do. With the loss of 50% of Lend Lease, the USSR collapses in late 1942/early 1943 during the German operations around Stalingrad and in the Caucasus. World War II thus lasts into 1948, with the Reich finally collapsing from massed nuclear bombardment while the Japanese are able to eek out a compromise peace that leaves the "Core Empire" intact.

Fahran wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Brooklyn is considered rural?

Hush now before I tell everyone you're really from Salt Lake City.

???

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:Care to explain...

In early 1942, IGHQ dangled the possibility of attacking the Soviet Far East as a consolation prize given the cancellation of Kantokuen the previous year left the Kwantung Army very bitter. Here, enterprising officers of that same force start a border war, which sees the IJA, via artillery positions opposite Primorye and limited operations, cut the Trans-Siberian Railway; resource commitments elsewhere prevent the general offensive the Kwantung Army had been really wanting to do. With the loss of 50% of Lend Lease, the USSR collapses in late 1942/early 1943 during the German operations around Stalingrad and in the Caucasus. World War II thus lasts into 1948, with the Reich finally collapsing from massed nuclear bombardment while the Japanese are able to eek out a compromise peace that leaves the "Core Empire" intact.

This should be made into the premise of an RP...

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Fahran wrote:Hush now before I tell everyone you're really from Salt Lake City.

???

Your confusion pleases me.

Nea Byzantia wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
In early 1942, IGHQ dangled the possibility of attacking the Soviet Far East as a consolation prize given the cancellation of Kantokuen the previous year left the Kwantung Army very bitter. Here, enterprising officers of that same force start a border war, which sees the IJA, via artillery positions opposite Primorye and limited operations, cut the Trans-Siberian Railway; resource commitments elsewhere prevent the general offensive the Kwantung Army had been really wanting to do. With the loss of 50% of Lend Lease, the USSR collapses in late 1942/early 1943 during the German operations around Stalingrad and in the Caucasus. World War II thus lasts into 1948, with the Reich finally collapsing from massed nuclear bombardment while the Japanese are able to eek out a compromise peace that leaves the "Core Empire" intact.

This should be made into the premise of an RP...

Any questions about specific nations?

Fahran wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
???

Your confusion pleases me.

Again, what?

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:This should be made into the premise of an RP...

Any questions about specific nations?

Nope. Just thought it would make a good AH RP.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:This should be made into the premise of an RP...

Any questions about specific nations?

Yes. How did the annexation of Mexico occur? Mexican-American War?

And I was just assigning an arbitrary place to you before. It was silly. Don't over-think it.

Bear Stearns wrote:I've asked this before, but feel like asking again. Do you live in a city, rural area, or suburb?

I live in the downtown area of a large city.

Depends on your definition. I live within the city limits of a large city, but not in the core densest area of the city. It's almost like a smaller city within the city, with its own little downtown area and things.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:This should be made into the premise of an RP...

Any questions about specific nations?

How the hell did the Japanese get a compromise peace?? And one that lets them keep even Manchuria??

Also what's going on with the Russians if the USSR is kaput? (and did Peru kill Bolivia or did Bolivia kill Peru?)

Also, what year is the map supposed to be? Like present-day, or are we somewhere in like the 60s here, since France has Algeria and the Ivory Coast, the Dutch have New Guinea, and apartheid South Africa and Portuguese Africa are still fully intact? How has Hyderabad held out against India, and how did Pakistan overrun Kashmir?

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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0/10 Canada wasn’t annexed.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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>Ukraine and Belarus independent
Dropped.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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>No Austro-Hungarian Empire

>No Megali idea

Terrible.

Salus Maior wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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>No Megali idea

Terrible.

On this we are agreed...The Austro-Hungarians we could do without.

Salus Maior wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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>No Austro-Hungarian Empire

>No Megali idea

Terrible.

>No Greater Israel

I have never felt such deep sorrow.

MarylandRepresentative Elijah Cummings (D) has passed away. May he Rest In Peace.

Tarsonis wrote:MarylandRepresentative Elijah Cummings (D) has passed away. May he Rest In Peace.

He died young. I wonder how long till the Lefties implicate Trump in his demise.

Nea Byzantia wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:MarylandRepresentative Elijah Cummings (D) has passed away. May he Rest In Peace.

He died young. I wonder how long till the Lefties implicate Trump in his demise.

I wouldn't exactly call 68 "young". Like, it's not ancient, but it's not young either.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:He died young. I wonder how long till the Lefties implicate Trump in his demise.

I wouldn't exactly call 68 "young". Like, it's not ancient, but it's not young either.

its below the average.

Senkaku wrote:How the hell did the Japanese get a compromise peace?? And one that lets them keep even Manchuria??

For one, I should state this has a historical basis; by 1945, American political and military leaders were seeing signs of war exhaustion leading to the need for a compromise peace combined with a willingness, on the part of some, to readily agree to that. In terms of this alternate history, however, these issues were increased to 11. With the collapse of the USSR, the U.S. had to towards the 250 division mobilization scheme, which meant a reduction in the size of the U.S. Navy as compared to what happened historically and thus a slower advance across the Pacific. By the time Germany was forced under, the United States had taken far too many losses and its populace was too ready for peace to want to take the heavy casualties required to bring the Empire of Japan fully down.

Also what's going on with the Russians if the USSR is kaput?

The collapse of the USSR in 1942-1943 basically was the destruction of the Party state, with the RKKA establishing a junta in control of what was left from the Urals to the East. The mass flight of Russians and displacement of industry resulted in outright Russian ethnic majorities or pluralities in all of the SSRs in Central Asia. Formally, the state is the Union of Sovereign Socialist Republics, a reformed USSR, but in practice is like Putinist Russia but more overtly Orthodox (gotta keep those Turkics and Persians down). It's got a population of about 200 million and a GDP of $2 Trillion.

(and did Peru kill Bolivia or did Bolivia kill Peru?)

Without a Cold War like historically, the U.S. was less interventionist in Latin America in a sense and that resulted in a restored Peru-Bolivian Confederation.

Also, what year is the map supposed to be? Like present-day, or are we somewhere in like the 60s here, since France has Algeria and the Ivory Coast, the Dutch have New Guinea, and apartheid South Africa and Portuguese Africa are still fully intact? How has Hyderabad held out against India, and how did Pakistan overrun Kashmir?

Year is 2010 or thereabouts. Nuclear Fusion was perfected around 1998 and the first commercial reactors have started coming online over the last few years. Already the U.S. is at about 30% of its power coming from such and the cheap desalination has meant there are some megaprojects underway, such as an effort to refill Lake Lahontan via the end of diversions of water from the Truckee River.

As for the French, the necessity of getting the manpower to fight a long war meant they had to extend political rights to their colonies in order to help fight the conflict. There was no massacres here in this alternate timeline Post-War, for example. It should also be noted that, historically, the Ivory Coast did want to remain a part of France and the first two independence referendum in Djibouti failed. As for the Dutch, they made no effort to resist the independence of Indonesia but did retain Dutch New Guinea, which didn't want to be apart of Indonesia anyway, as a precondition for that. Both powers were helped in this due to the Post-War migration of many citizens from their homelands to their colonies, due to the damages of the conflict. This is what happened with the Portuguese, with Salazar allowing mass migration in 1948 and Franco did the same for Equatorial Guinea, which led to an earlier discovery of the oil there.

For South Africa, it actually isn't Apartheid. The United Party won in 1948, allowed mass migration of Europeans under scheme similar to the Australian Pom Poms system, and was able to legalize the annexation of Southwest Africa (Namibia). There was no overall formal policy of Apartheid, but instead the retention of the previous laws already on the books, maybe slightly expanded. The Cape Coloureds never lost their rights, however, so the UP was able to form an earlier coalition of an expanded (due to immigration) white electorate, the coloureds, and Indians that governs the nation. They've since split the Zulus off from the Black population at large as part of the IKFP, which means their coalition is slightly over 50% of the wider population.

Finally, for India, the longer war saw the "Quit India" movement become more prevalent among the INC while the Muslims remained staunchly Pro-British, resulting in the UK favoring them during the partition and supporting the stronger Princely states in maintaining themselves. India as a whole is beset by sectarian and ideological unrest, and is very poor with the License Raj system still in place. Pakistan, meanwhile, without the wars of our history stuck to its development plan (South Korea used the same one in our timeline and Pakistan did too up until 1965), resulting in it becoming much wealthier than India. It has a first rate military to match this economic might as well.

Fahran wrote:Yes. How did the annexation of Mexico occur? Mexican-American War?

The assassination attempt on Francisco Javier Ovando fails, allowing his network of poll watchers to actively contest the PRI's attempt to steal the 1988 election. The regime gets desperate, attempts to arrest Cárdenas before his speech in the Zócalo and he dies during said attempt; this descends Mexico in a civil war. By the early 1990s the nation is largely a failed state, and its constituent parts begin to gradually request admission into the United States and this ultimately turns into a flood of such requests. It's important to note the 1990s saw a large majority of Mexicans, even without these events, in favor of such. Este País polled Mexicans in 1991 and found that 59% of Mexican supported annexation by the United States, they asked it again in 1999 and found a similar response.

Salus Maior wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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>No Austro-Hungarian Empire

>No Megali idea

Terrible.

Those were only possible with World War I era divergences, I did a 1942 one.