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After trial and conviction, what should be done with serial sexual abusers?

1. Death penalty
56
42%
2. Life in prison but in gen pop
31
23%
3. 7 Day ban for choosing any of the two above
21
16%
4. Life in prison but in protective custody
24
18%
 
Total votes : 132

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Postby Fahran » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:12 pm

Salus Maior wrote:While your idea is a moral one, I think the only way large scale civil disobedience on both sides of the political isle will end will be just making ourselves into a nonfunctional country out of partisanism.

I'm actually not partial to resorting to such lowdown and dirty tactics but many of the progressive activists have proven themselves hypocrites of the highest order and they have, in many instances, managed to effect changes in policy or at least retaliate against conservatives in an irksome yet legal way. We could hypothetically cripple government function in Virginia if we filled up their phone lines, filled up their email bins, and put thousands of people on the streets around Virginia's capitol building for weeks on end, effectively preventing elected officials from coming and going. And none of that would be illegal by existing standards that have been applied.

Salus Maior wrote:And will probably end in violence just to break the deadlock.

If they initiate violence against peaceful thousands of peaceful protestors, revolution becomes a moral obligation.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:14 pm

Fahran wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:While your idea is a moral one, I think the only way large scale civil disobedience on both sides of the political isle will end will be just making ourselves into a nonfunctional country out of partisanism.

I'm actually not partial to resorting to such lowdown and dirty tactics but many of the progressive activists have proven themselves hypocrites of the highest order and they have, in many instances, managed to effect changes in policy or at least retaliate against conservatives in an irksome yet legal way. We could hypothetically cripple government function in Virginia if we filled up their phone lines, filled up their email bins, and put thousands of people on the streets around Virginia's capitol building, effectively preventing elected officials from coming and going. And none of that would be illegal by existing standards that have been applied.


Just saying, this is why I think the criticism of democracy as "mob rule" is painfully accurate.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:16 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
We cheated by appropriating Judaism's history. :P

Although a more serious answer would be that Christianity was born out longstanding ideas already circulating in Judaism, that being the coming of the Messiah. That being said, I would also consider Islam as one of the longstanding religions which I would understand why people would convert to it.


You're forgetting the miracles and the tale my boy! Things which sway men's hearts so much that they topple entire belief systems that had been around for thousands of years before that.


Well, most people who would convert these days aren't really swayed by claims of miracles anymore. All the major religions claim to have miracles.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:16 pm

Fahran wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:While your idea is a moral one, I think the only way large scale civil disobedience on both sides of the political isle will end will be just making ourselves into a nonfunctional country out of partisanism.

I'm actually not partial to resorting to such lowdown and dirty tactics but many of the progressive activists have proven themselves hypocrites of the highest order and they have, in many instances, managed to effect changes in policy or at least retaliate against conservatives in an irksome yet legal way. We could hypothetically cripple government function in Virginia if we filled up their phone lines, filled up their email bins, and put thousands of people on the streets around Virginia's capitol building for weeks on end, effectively preventing elected officials from coming and going. And none of that would be illegal by existing standards that have been applied.

Salus Maior wrote:And will probably end in violence just to break the deadlock.

If they initiate violence against peaceful thousands of peaceful protestors, revolution becomes a moral obligation.


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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:17 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
You're forgetting the miracles and the tale my boy! Things which sway men's hearts so much that they topple entire belief systems that had been around for thousands of years before that.


Well, most people who would convert these days aren't really swayed by claims of miracles anymore. All the major religions claim to have miracles.


Do you really believe in miracles?

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Postby Xuloqoia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:17 pm

Kowani wrote:
Xuloqoia wrote:
... I tried making it easy to read, but it's too large for that apparently.

Image

…I’m the DRPC, aren’t I.


Yes.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:18 pm

Where is the TEMpire?

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:20 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Well, most people who would convert these days aren't really swayed by claims of miracles anymore. All the major religions claim to have miracles.


Do you really believe in miracles?


I do. But I didn't for instance convert to Catholicism because, say, I was so impressed and convicted by reports of Eucharistic miracles. It's because I believe in Christ, and I've been convicted by historical and religious evidence that the Catholic Church is Christ's Church.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:20 pm

Xuloqoia wrote:
Kowani wrote:…I’m the DRPC, aren’t I.


Yes.

Welp, can’t comp.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:21 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Just saying, this is why I think the criticism of democracy as "mob rule" is painfully accurate.

On the contrary, the issue facing our democracy is how elitist it is, in a dishonest and poorly hidden manner. The civil servants, business leaders, military men and career politicians run the show. I recall watching an AIPAC advertisement which put the point excellently.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:24 pm

Salus Maior wrote:You know, maybe it's because I'm a history student and a trad, but sometimes I don't really get why people would adopt newer religions over religions that have a long historical record.

For instance, I'm not sure why anyone would convert to Baha'i. Not that I really have any problems with the religion itself, but it's not even 200 years old.


Baha'i incorporates previous religious founders as its own prophets. I've known several Wiccans who unironically believe matriarchal prehistory pseudohistory and members of Japanese new religions who claim to be returns to purer forms of preexisting religions. The important thing for them is that they can establish some link with the past, even if relying on easily disproved historical or theological arguments.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:25 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:You know, maybe it's because I'm a history student and a trad, but sometimes I don't really get why people would adopt newer religions over religions that have a long historical record.

For instance, I'm not sure why anyone would convert to Baha'i. Not that I really have any problems with the religion itself, but it's not even 200 years old.


Baha'i incorporates previous religious founders as its own prophets. I've known several Wiccans who unironically believe matriarchal prehistory pseudohistory and members of Japanese new religions who claim to be returns to purer forms of preexisting religions. The important thing for them is that they can establish some link with the past, even if relying on easily disproved historical or theological arguments.


Gotta admit while I've heard and read lots on newer Chinese religions I haven't heard much at all about them in Japan.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:26 pm

Fahran wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:He and Beto saved the NRA. A big thank you to both of them for destroying the middle ground and going full retard.

Northam's abortion comments were so radical that even soured alot of non-crazy abortion supporters. We had a long truce on the issue. Now it is back in play.

There's no reason to abide by the middle-ground on any major social issue at the moment. The progressives have destroyed any and all whiff of sanity on gun control. We shouldn't give them a single inch. They'll always take a mile. Oddly enough, looking at other threads, our left-wing colleagues seem content to abide disruption when they lose but howl when we engage in peaceful protests. One wonders if we need to abandon niceties and working within the system to reassert that which they have eroded at every turn. And, no, I'm not recommending violence here. I still oppose Antifa and Neo-Nazis. I'm recommending large-scale civil disobedience, non-compliance, and targeted protests of people and organizations that do questionable things. Essentially, embracing common and legal tactics employed by the Democrats in the US.

Embrace the accelerationistpill, fahran. We'll all take a trip to the range.
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Postby Xuloqoia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:27 pm

The East Marches II wrote:Where is the TEMpire?


Sorry, but there isn't a TEMpire. There may never be, ngl. I'm considering leaving NS again, once this thread is done. Do something productive, y'know? Maybe grow as a person.

I've already left the RWDT Discord. I'll probably stay as server owner for my region's Discord, though. And if anyone needs to contact me, just ask around for my Discord tag. Thanks for the memories, even the unpleasant ones.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:28 pm

Xuloqoia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:Where is the TEMpire?


Sorry, but there isn't a TEMpire. There may never be, ngl. I'm considering leaving NS again, once this thread is done. Do something productive, y'know?


You'll be back. General is a trainwreck, you can never truly look away.
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Postby Fahran » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:29 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Just saying, this is why I think the criticism of democracy as "mob rule" is painfully accurate.

We're employing mass action to defend the Republic. If our political opponents respected the word and spirit of the law, it would not be necessary.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:29 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:https://www.pbs.org/story-china/interactive/which-emperor/

I scored Emperor Hongwu.

I got Emperor Taizong of Tang.

As did I.
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Postby Xuloqoia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:30 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Xuloqoia wrote:
Sorry, but there isn't a TEMpire. There may never be, ngl. I'm considering leaving NS again, once this thread is done. Do something productive, y'know?


You'll be back. General is a trainwreck, you can never truly look away.


Probably, but I can make an attempt.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:31 pm

Xuloqoia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:Where is the TEMpire?


Sorry, but there isn't a TEMpire. There may never be, ngl. I'm considering leaving NS again, once this thread is done. Do something productive, y'know? Maybe grow as a person.

I've already left the RWDT Discord. I'll probably stay as server owner for my region's Discord, though. And if anyone needs to contact me, just ask around for my Discord tag. Thanks for the memories, even the unpleasant ones.


I have just shitposting bropopo. Best of luck old boy wherever you go. I suppose I'll see you on /biz/ or /tg/, more likely you'll see me banned for trolling but I'm sure we'll run into each other :^)

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:32 pm

Xuloqoia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You'll be back. General is a trainwreck, you can never truly look away.


Probably, but I can make an attempt.

You'll be back. We're like the history channel 2 AM timeslot- even if you don't post, you'll still record the documentaries about Hitler maybe being an alien in league with the Loch Ness monster.
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Postby Fahran » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:32 pm

Diopolis wrote:Embrace the accelerationistpill, fahran. We'll all take a trip to the range.

Why accelerate when we can strongly reassert the traditions and institutions of the American nation? You WILL BE MARRIED and you WILL HAVE A HAPPY FAMILY LIFE, progressives. That means going to the religious institution of your choice on the proper date. Any refusal to behave decently will see you deported to Somalia.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:33 pm

Fahran wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Embrace the accelerationistpill, fahran. We'll all take a trip to the range.

Why accelerate when we can strongly reassert the traditions and institutions of the American nation? You WILL BE MARRIED and you WILL HAVE A HAPPY FAMILY LIFE, progressives. That means going to the religious institution of your choice on the proper date. Any refusal to behave decently will see you deported to Somalia.


Oh no, it's all over.

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Postby Fahran » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:33 pm

The East Marches II wrote:Field Marshal Fahran the political strategist.

Please, TEM, call me Mi General.

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:33 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:You know, maybe it's because I'm a history student and a trad, but sometimes I don't really get why people would adopt newer religions over religions that have a long historical record.

For instance, I'm not sure why anyone would convert to Baha'i. Not that I really have any problems with the religion itself, but it's not even 200 years old.


Baha'i incorporates previous religious founders as its own prophets. I've known several Wiccans who unironically believe matriarchal prehistory pseudohistory and members of Japanese new religions who claim to be returns to purer forms of preexisting religions. The important thing for them is that they can establish some link with the past, even if relying on easily disproved historical or theological arguments.


Yes, but the problem with Baha'i doing that (as well as almost all universalist religions), is that it's not logically consistent. You can't claim all the prophets of world history were equally right, because nearly all of them (particularly Abrahamic prophets and figures) made explicit claims of exclusivity. Unless all the prophets were equally right, and also wrong about specific things which are inconvenient to the claim at the same time.

Yes, but that's also nonesense and lazy to claim that "oh we're just the pure version" when they've cut all traditional connections and have no sincere access to the original group they're identifying with.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:33 pm

Fahran wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Embrace the accelerationistpill, fahran. We'll all take a trip to the range.

Why accelerate when we can strongly reassert the traditions and institutions of the American nation? You WILL BE MARRIED and you WILL HAVE A HAPPY FAMILY LIFE, progressives. That means going to the religious institution of your choice on the proper date. Any refusal to behave decently will see you deported to Somalia.

That's exactly what progressives do, didn't you see that article I posted a few pages ago? It's the non-progressives they try to keep from doing that.
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