Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVIII: Hyena Central Command 憶ラ

[Novus America]

The PRC isn't just a military threat to us, but to all of our allies in the region.
They need to be smacked down.

Yup. But nothing Uncle Sam can’t handle.

I am not so sure about that. Unless we make some dramatic changes.

[Novus America]

Also it doesn't help that the US basically doesn't have the same ship building capabilities that the Chinese do. The Chinese make most of the world's ships at this point and in the event of a major conflict will be able to churn out far more ships than the US will. Basically, the Chinese have the shipyard structure the US had in WWII while America has Japan.

Unfortunately the 90s military cuts destroyed much of our shipbuilding capability. Something that will be very expensive to reverse. Military cuts almost always cost you more in the long term than they save in the short term.

[Bear Stearns]

Qanon has nothing to do with this. Krugman is just another elitist creep.

Don't like elitism, eh? What are you, a leftist? :^)

The elitists themselves aren't even elite.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh no, looks like you built a society the lads don't want to join in. I wonder whether they will make being single a punitive tax situation again ala the Romans when they had that issue to make men try to do more. Both articles are older but the first one was sent to me by a friend earlier today. It seems the revolution in gender didn't quite work out the way we expected.

Men are simply not doing what they used to for society also. I expect that problem to get worse and for more younger men to simply check out. This will impact us later as they won't make enough money to be worth taxing later in life when their income should have peaked, and by not having a family, not be as incentive to make more money in order which would be taxed to pay for said welfare systems. By not having a family, the state can't support its programs without new people to tax. Not to mention the myriad of other things which will decline such as volunteer labor, the blood example I posted and community participation.

I'm not sure at this stage, the situation can really be saved until we start seeing its disastrous fiscal outcome later in life. We were told in the 2000s, that people were just "putting off" getting married and having kids. Its been about 10-15 years. We're still waiting and at this point, given the way fertility works, it is too late for many. Women use more healthcare resources as a norm and they do not pay the same lifetime amounts as men in net taxes (few end up being net).

We've clearly broken something very important in our civilization but the general response seems to be scolding men for not stepping up to the plate rather than anything constructive. What say you RWDT? What would you do to save the situation?

Firstly you need to reform marriage laws so as not to be anti-male, scrap alimony, scrap divorce settlements that penalize the earner, scrap presumed parentage, allow opt-out paternity, and so on. That's the legal layer.

Secondly you need to tackle societal misandry and deconstruct the feminist narrative that drives the impression that women have to struggle to get anywhere while men have it easy in terms of the economy. Such a narrative suggests that between two peers earning the same wage, the woman is innately superior and the man is beneath her. This is not conducive to a functional relationship dynamic. Even of the woman fancies herself "Woke" and is "Okay with dating down", that attitude toward her equal of viewing him as lesser will seep through.

Thirdly you need to reform the education system to remove the anti-male bias therein.

That'd do for a start.

[Nakena]

Has Boris Johnson so far done anything in regards to men rights? Specifically since Fathers4Justice has been (?) supportive of him during the election

[Fahran]

I would prefer not to resort to growth vats if we can avoid it, especially if it's simply a bandaid that doesn't address the deep-rooted social problems that have contributed to a decline in fertility and birth rates. We need to make an active effort to get men and women interested in building families again, and that need is desperate and pressing.

[Fahran]

No, China does not have to fight a war to defeat America. All it has to do is keeping itself Chinese and wait for America to be browned. A brown country with nukes is itself unstable and all the military tech as well as most weapons will gradually fall into foreign hands. China, Russia or some other country will simply offer the most talented Americans & expats asylum.

That's not how that works... I was in complete agreement until the second part of the second sentence. What a shame.

[Hanafuridake]

The concept of human vats makes me uncomfortable, it seems like an assault on the dignity of the person. Human beings shouldn't be things to be grown in a "hatchery." that sounds like it would cheapen the value of life.

[Proctopeo]

The concept of human vats makes me uncomfortable, it seems like an assault on the dignity of the person. Human beings shouldn't be things to be grown in a "hatchery." that sounds like it would cheapen the value of life.

However, human vats would allow us to create the perfect boy band.

[Novus America]

No, China does not have to fight a war to defeat America. All it has to do is keeping itself Chinese and wait for America to be browned. A brown country with nukes is itself unstable and all the military tech as well as most weapons will gradually fall into foreign hands. China, Russia or some other country will simply offer the most talented Americans & expats asylum.

That's not how that works... I was in complete agreement until the second part of the second sentence. What a shame.

The PRC is winning because chad protectionism crushes virgin neoliberalism.

Not because of race.

[Hanafuridake]

allow opt-out paternity,

Why should parents be able to 'opt out' of their responsibilities?

[Fahran]

The concept of human vats makes me uncomfortable, it seems like an assault on the dignity of the person. Human beings shouldn't be things to be grown in a "hatchery." that sounds like it would cheapen the value of life.

However, human vats would allow us to create the perfect boy band.

We already had NSYNC.

[Fahran]

allow opt-out paternity,

Why should parents be able to 'opt out' of their responsibilities?

Muh freedom?

Really, I would prefer parents not having the option to opt out of their responsibilities to living children.

[The East Marches II]

allow opt-out paternity,

Why should parents be able to 'opt out' of their responsibilities?

If women can abort, paper abortions seem a good idea in the name of gender equality. A man can't be trapped because some forgot to take the pill. Though, I hope the male version of the pill finally comes through after delay from the Feministas, the effect will be the same.

Infact, we are told without baby boxes and abortions, women might kill their babies in desperation. Should not the same logic apply to men? Isn't it worth it if it saves even one life or so the old progressive line goes.

[Fahran]

If women can abort, paper abortions seem a good idea in the name of gender equality. A man can't be trapped because some forgot to take the pill. Though, I hope the male version of the pill finally comes through after delay from the Feministas, the effect will be the same.

I thought the male-version of the pill was halted mostly due to unsavory side effects.

[Dogmeat]

Why should parents be able to 'opt out' of their responsibilities?

Muh freedom?

Really, I would prefer parents not having the option to opt out of their responsibilities to living children.

This is one of those things that sounds good in principle, but tends to result in death of infants.

[Fahran]

This is one of those things that sounds good in principle, but tends to result in death of infants.

And the imprisonment of murderous parents for life given that their relationship to the victim would make them prime suspects in most cases.

[Novus America]

I would prefer not to resort to growth vats if we can avoid it, especially if it's simply a bandaid that doesn't address the deep-rooted social problems that have contributed to a decline in fertility and birth rates. We need to make an active effort to get men and women interested in building families again, and that need is desperate and pressing.

Well it could benefit women who cannot have children naturally too.

But really it is more desperation. As much as I would prefer people want to build families (and again vats could actually help in some cases) I fear it is far too late and that vats are the only thing that will prevent complete demographic collapse.

[Fahran]

Well it could benefit women who cannot have children naturally too.

But really it is more desperation. As much as I would prefer people want to build families (and again vats could actually help in some cases) I fear it is far too late and that vats are the only thing that will prevent complete demographic collapse.

We could always embrace the sort of family policies proposed by Orban in Hungary. They seem to have led to an increase in young families and an improved birth rate. A religious and nationalistic revival would have benefits in the long-term and could stave off demographic collapse.

[Dogmeat]

This is one of those things that sounds good in principle, but tends to result in death of infants.

And the imprisonment of murderous parents for life given that their relationship to the victim would make them prime suspects in most cases.

...and?

I mean, even if you know who the parent is (which normally isn't the case in these instances), and you are able to punish them... the kid is still dead.

[Hanafuridake]

Why should parents be able to 'opt out' of their responsibilities?

If women can abort, paper abortions seem a good idea in the name of gender equality. A man can't be trapped because some forgot to take the pill. Though, I hope the male version of the pill finally comes through after delay from the Feministas, the effect will be the same.

Infact, we are told without baby boxes and abortions, women might kill their babies in desperation. Should not the same logic apply to men? Isn't it worth it if it saves even one life or so the old progressive line goes.

Women (and transmen) are allowed to have abortions because the fetus is growing inside of their body, which is obviously quite different from just having to pay for your living child. I'm not going to get into the nuance and ethics of abortion, but there is no comparison between having to pay child support and the health risks associated with pregnancy.

This is the first time I remember hearing that, and the idea of parents "opting out" of parentage is by far a more progressive idea than them being forced to take care of their children.

[Novus America]

Well it could benefit women who cannot have children naturally too.

But really it is more desperation. As much as I would prefer people want to build families (and again vats could actually help in some cases) I fear it is far too late and that vats are the only thing that will prevent complete demographic collapse.

We could always embrace the sort of family policies proposed by Orban in Hungary. They seem to have led to an increase in young families and an improved birth rate. A religious and nationalistic revival would have benefits in the long-term and could stave off demographic collapse.

Unfortunately it is not really working in Hungary:
https://emerging-europe.com/news/hungar ... w-rewards/

At best it slowed the decline, did not reverse it.

As much as I think such pro family policies are good, unfortunately the places using them like Hungary and Japan have seen little improvement.

Although we might have better luck because we have not sunken as low if we implemented them now but we are not likely to do so.

[The East Marches II]

If women can abort, paper abortions seem a good idea in the name of gender equality. A man can't be trapped because some forgot to take the pill. Though, I hope the male version of the pill finally comes through after delay from the Feministas, the effect will be the same.

Infact, we are told without baby boxes and abortions, women might kill their babies in desperation. Should not the same logic apply to men? Isn't it worth it if it saves even one life or so the old progressive line goes.

Women (and transmen) are allowed to have abortions because the fetus is growing inside of their body, which is obviously quite different from just having to pay for your living child. I'm not going to get into the nuance and ethics of abortion, but there is no comparison between having to pay child support and the health risks associated with pregnancy.

This is the first time I remember hearing that, and the idea of parents "opting out" of parentage is by far a more progressive idea than them being forced to take care of their children.

Do you even know what a baby box is Dagashi? It's where you leave your baby for the state to take no questions asked. Even assuming we go with that foolish line of thinking, we already have a mechanism for mother's to op out after the fact.

[The East Marches II]

If women can abort, paper abortions seem a good idea in the name of gender equality. A man can't be trapped because some forgot to take the pill. Though, I hope the male version of the pill finally comes through after delay from the Feministas, the effect will be the same.

I thought the male-version of the pill was halted mostly due to unsavory side effects.

It was feminist pressure at the the CDC which stopped the first generation and it didn't get restarted research wise till just recently. They have been worrying about in the Guardian for 10 years.

[Fahran]

...and?

I mean, even if you know who the parent is (which normally isn't the case in these instances), and you are able to punish them... the kid is still dead.

I'm not certain we should construct policy around people who commit extreme taboos like murdering their children, spouses, or parents in comparably tolerable circumstances especially not when we could accommodate a lot of familial needs through social welfare.