Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVIII: Hyena Central Command 憶ラ

[Chernoslavia]

Yeah I see where your coming from. I’m not saying they aren’t a threat, but people just have a knack for overestimating their power. But let’s be real by the time they finish building their stuff, we would’ve already had built double what they planned on building.

Better to plan for a stronger enemy and then it turn out they are weaker than imagined than the opposite.

I agree. I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to prep ourselves. Nothing wrong I n making fun of them either tho

[Napkizemlja]

Yeah sure....they said they were going to develop aircraft carriers since the 1980s and so far the best one they got is a Ukrainian model that suffers from engine failure. I have not seen or heard much about the capabilities of their shongyong carriers. Not holding my breath for a personal military who thinks their smog can deflect US guided missiles.

Anon they are already under constructive. Thats not including the extreme amount of destroyers and cruisers they are building. It isn't threat inflation I swear. They already got the second carrier operational.

Yes the Chinese are hoping to have their two type 003 carriers complete construction this year or early next year and then enter active service by 2022 or 2023.

[Napkizemlja]

Also it doesn't help that the US basically doesn't have the same ship building capabilities that the Chinese do. The Chinese make most of the world's ships at this point and in the event of a major conflict will be able to churn out far more ships than the US will. Basically, the Chinese have the shipyard structure the US had in WWII while America has Japan.

[Chernoslavia]

Anon they are already under constructive. Thats not including the extreme amount of destroyers and cruisers they are building. It isn't threat inflation I swear. They already got the second carrier operational.

Yes the Chinese are hoping to have their two type 003 carriers complete construction this year or early next year and then enter active service by 2022 or 2023.

They recently retired one but can’t remember which one was it...I assume it’s the Ukrainian one?

[Napkizemlja]

Yes the Chinese are hoping to have their two type 003 carriers complete construction this year or early next year and then enter active service by 2022 or 2023.

They recently retired one but can’t remember which one was it...I assume it’s the Ukrainian one?

As far as I am aware they haven't abandoned the Liaoning considering it is their main trial and error carrier. It was docked for half a year for maintenance and repair, but that is normal.

[Chernoslavia]

Also it doesn't help that the US basically doesn't have the same ship building capabilities that the Chinese do. The Chinese make most of the world's ships at this point and in the event of a major conflict will be able to churn out far more ships than the US will. Basically, the Chinese have the shipyard structure the US had in WWII while America has Japan.

True, but quality matters.

[Napkizemlja]

Also it doesn't help that the US basically doesn't have the same ship building capabilities that the Chinese do. The Chinese make most of the world's ships at this point and in the event of a major conflict will be able to churn out far more ships than the US will. Basically, the Chinese have the shipyard structure the US had in WWII while America has Japan.

True, but quality matters.

To an extent, but more often than not when it comes to naval warfare, numbers matter.

[Kowani]

So we use artificial blood. We’re already partway there.

Another expense a state that will have a shrinking tax base will have to support.

It’s actually cheaper than natural blood.

I think we’ll see more different forms of community participation, moreso than an marked decline.

Social capital is at an all time low and keeps decreasing outside of areas with a lucky confluence of historical factors.

They have been promising what you just said for a decade. It hasn't shown up.

Yes, transition periods are long. Imagine if, at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, people had looked at all the rural farmers who had to move into the cities because of the Enclosure Acts, and declared an apocalypse. Would’ve looked perfectly reasonable to them, right? But we know with the benefit of hindsight that that person might’ve as well been railing at the clouds. This is not to say that we should just assume that everything is going to get better-but rather, as a note, that save for actual violence, societies are very bad at knocking themselves out of existence. Of your actual source, I went and checked the actual cited report- and noted something of interest. At the county level-data, there’s no pattern of commonalities. Obviously, there is a pattern within the state (a rural county in Montana is probably going to share more commonalities with another county in Montana) than a rural community in South Carolina, even though they’re not the overly different, but outside of a small correlation between rurality and social capital (.22) , there’s not much. However, there are certain values important to this argument which have surprisingly low correlations-prime age males in the workforce only hits .65, which, while not negligible, is in no way the cause of societal ills. Despite suicide being considered a national epidemic, it’s correlation is only -.07, which means we can pretty much discount it entirely. Very few of the things with high correlation rates are cultural, and even fewer have cultural causes.

I was agreeing with you that the current system could not hold. I was disagreeing on the cause.

Yes, which is why I made my comment.

Edits for formatting aids.

You could bother explaining why.

[Chernoslavia]

True, but quality matters.

To an extent, but more often than not when it comes to naval warfare, numbers matter.

But until I see what’s going to be fitted to these Type 003s I’m not convinced that they’re going to be a match for our Navy.

[The East Marches II]

It’s actually cheaper than natural blood.

Then why isn't it being used en masse?

Yes, transition periods are long. Imagine if, at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, people had looked at all the rural farmers who had to move into the cities because of the Enclosure Acts, and declared an apocalypse. Would’ve looked perfectly reasonable to them, right? But we know with the benefit of hindsight that that person might’ve as well been railing at the clouds. This is not to say that we should just assume that everything is going to get better-but rather, as a note, that save for actual violence, societies are very bad at knocking themselves out of existence. Of your actual source, I went and checked the actual cited report- and noted something of interest. At the county level-data, there’s no pattern of commonalities. Obviously, there is a pattern within the state (a rural county in Montana is probably going to share more commonalities with another county in Montana) than a rural community in South Carolina, even though they’re not the overly different, but outside of a small correlation between rurality and social capital (.22) , there’s not much. However, there are certain values important to this argument which have surprisingly low correlations-prime age males in the workforce only hits .65, which, while not negligible, is in no way the cause of societal ills. Despite suicide being considered a national epidemic, it’s correlation is only -.07, which means we can pretty much discount it entirely. Very few of the things with high correlation rates are cultural, and even fewer have cultural causes.

A transition period to what? More feminism? I've given you evidence of a decline since the 70s. The point was it was a general collapse of social capital outside areas that got lucky historically. Your aside was meaningless and really had nothing to add.

Civilizations are quite capable of commiting suicide. It has happened every so often. Despite a few pathetic meme graphs you tossed out way, the major indicators are trending down. I should hope your open mind is right but the data shows that the trajectory is not good.

You could bother explaining why.

It is your usually shallow analysis of little merit blaming your personal great Satan. Why would I give it anymore thought?

I look forward to your defense of the Iraqis, the EU's pathetic behavior and the rest of my previous post. Don't leave us hanging for too long :^)

[Cappuccina]

True, but quality matters.

To an extent, but more often than not when it comes to naval warfare, numbers matter.

Not really. It does little good to have shoddy ships, even if you have alot of them.

If Marches is correct about his quoted numbers they're pushing out, that is very impressive. And I will admit, Chinese ASBMs are a problem, but I'm curious as to what fighters their carriers would be outfitted with.

[Genivaria]

*busts in the door*
What's going on are we talking about conscription!?

[Chernoslavia]

*busts in the door*
What's going on are we talking about conscription!?

Poo-pooing China’s Naval capabilities

[The East Marches II]

*busts in the door*
What's going on are we talking about conscription!?

Welcome to meme fields motherfucker!

[Genivaria]

*busts in the door*
What's going on are we talking about conscription!?

Poo-pooing China’s Naval capabilities

We need more missile sites based in Japan and Taiwan tbh.

[Cappuccina]

*busts in the door*
What's going on are we talking about conscription!?

Assessment of the military threat the PRC presents., seems to be the topic of the day.

[Chernoslavia]

Poo-pooing China’s Naval capabilities

We need more missile sites based in Japan and Taiwan tbh.

We do.

[The East Marches II]

I'm gonna get some sleep lads. Torture some Scots for me and oppress the Irish while I'm gone.

[Genivaria]

*busts in the door*
What's going on are we talking about conscription!?

Assessment of the military threat the PRC presents., seems to be the topic of the day.

The PRC isn't just a military threat to us, but to all of our allies in the region.
They need to be smacked down.

[Genivaria]

I'm gonna get some sleep lads. Torture some Scots for me and oppress the Irish while I'm gone.

Yea-wait what

[Chernoslavia]

Assessment of the military threat the PRC presents., seems to be the topic of the day.

The PRC isn't just a military threat to us, but to all of our allies in the region.
They need to be smacked down.

Yup. But nothing Uncle Sam can’t handle.

[Chernoslavia]

I'm gonna get some sleep lads. Torture some Scots for me and oppress the Irish while I'm gone.

Same. It’s 2:30 EST here. Good night y’all.

[Catburg]

Growth vats?

We desperately need growth vats. Not because sex is bad, but because they might help save humanity. If women are not interested in reproducing we need an alternative.

+1

[Catburg]

No, China does not have to fight a war to defeat America. All it has to do is keeping itself Chinese and wait for America to be browned. A brown country with nukes is itself unstable and all the military tech as well as most weapons will gradually fall into foreign hands. China, Russia or some other country will simply offer the most talented Americans & expats asylum.

[Novus America]

[l

“It’s one thing to work with a gay latino for 2 years (length of Singapore’s conscription period) and then go home to Glendo, Wyoming, and never see one again.”
This is still better than never seeing one at all.

Statistically speaking? Not really.

And you have not show those other things are better at it, or would work as well in the absence of national service.

Well, yeah. The fact that the only countries to try it are Singapore Finland, and Israel, which use both, and everywhere else uses the other methods and still come out, on average, with better social capital, and Finland sees a suicide rate above the rest of the EU.

Moreover it is not really important because I am not against all those things either at all.
Again they can work alongside a national service system, and using multiple complementary methods makes perfect sense.

It does if all of those methods are feasible to implement. You’d have an easier time nationalizing healthcare (not just insurance) then reinstating conscription.

The are not the only ones. Switzerland does it too. Besides also Sweden, Norway And even Denmark have conscription even though the number selected is fairly small. (If Sanders and AOC realized this their heads would probably explode).

And I already pointed out how you can sneak it it slowly.

Simply providing people more welfare is not alone sufficient to stop the breakdown of civic identity and social interaction.

Nor solve our military manpower shortage (more welfare would actually make military recruitment more difficult).