Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVIII: Hyena Central Command 憶ラ

[United Muscovite Nations]

> A system that stops people from fucking

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/sarcasm

This, but unironically.

[Cappuccina]

:blink:

In all honesty, ban high fructose corn syrup.

Why do Americans do this? Just sweeten your foods with beetroot or sugar cane like civilised people do.

Not so long ago I bought a bottle of soda water that was imported from the USA. It was only after I noticed that my gin and tonic tasted rather too sweet that I read the contents of the bottle and saw there was corn syrup added into the water.

Apparently Americans put additives in the water.

The fucking water.

Jesus Christ. It’s shit like this that makes me think that maybe we’ll be better off under a Chinese or Russian dominated world.

I couldn't agree with you more. I enjoyed the food overseas much more than here.... European food is much better.

[Xuloqoia]

> A system that stops people from fucking

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/sarcasm

This, but unironically.

Growth vats?

[United Muscovite Nations]

This, but unironically.

Growth vats?

Sex solely for the purpose of reproduction. Tis a filthy act.

[Novus America]

Right, which is why we can have alternative service of some type for them.

Or we could not forcibly enslave people for no good reason.

One we have damn good reasons, like stopping the collapse of society do to collapsing social interactions, collapsing birth rates, lack of civic participation and so on.

And it is not enslaving people either. It could be enforced via access to benefits rather than prison, and also conscripts are not slaves. They cannot be bought or sold, are not property, get paid, serve for a limited duration, and get full rights of citizens.

[Kowani]

I agree it would be politically difficult to implement although beholding a comprehensive system of national service (with non military options) that is voluntary at first, but slowly making certain benefits dependent on doing might make it easygoing to sneak in.

Perhaps.

National service, especially military can help break down racial and social barriers as well.

Sure, it can. Unfortunately, the only other example of a multiracial society that uses conscription-Singapore-doesn’t rely on that alone, and isn’t geographically segregated in the same way the US is. The class and racial barriers won’t break down unless there’s consistent interaction, and a small period of national service alone will only do that for a few people. It’s one thing to work with a gay latino for 2 years (length of Singapore’s conscription period) and then go home to Glendo, Wyoming, and never see one again. You’ll do a common thing that prejudiced people do when faced with someone who doesn’t conform to their stereotype “Oh, they’re one of the good ones”. You can’t solve it without fully integrating all of society.

The other things you mention like better healthcare, better recreation facilities, better education, housing subsidies etc. and national service are not mutually exclusive, but complementary.
So just because those other things would help does not detract from the need for national service.

No, they’re just better at it.

[Novus America]

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In all honesty, ban high fructose corn syrup.

Why do Americans do this? Just sweeten your foods with beetroot or sugar cane like civilised people do.

Not so long ago I bought a bottle of soda water that was imported from the USA. It was only after I noticed that my gin and tonic tasted rather too sweet that I read the contents of the bottle and saw there was corn syrup added into the water.

Apparently Americans put additives in the water.

The fucking water.

Jesus Christ. It’s shit like this that makes me think that maybe we’ll be better off under a Chinese or Russian dominated world.

Because we grow a lot of corn. And are not as suited for growing sugar.

[Xuloqoia]

Growth vats?

Sex solely for the purpose of reproduction. Tis a filthy act.

If it's a filthy act, then why not get rid of it? That's the galaxy-brained solution. A full transition to a hatchery system by 2050!

[Galloism]

Ah, a transition period in which traditional views on masculinity aren’t connective with reality? No wonder there’s a problem. But here’s the issue-those jobs that men used as signifiers of their identity, the traditional arrangements-those aren’t coming back. Manufacturing, mining, whatever the industry is-the traditional masculine jobs aren’t coming back. Market forces prevent that. Trying to cling to the slowly dying status quo isn’t going to change that-you can’t compete. Well-paying jobs that provide community can’t compete with robots and underpaid third-world laborers. The game has changed, and the old ways aren’t coming back.

That’s really not the issue - single men work about as hard as women and produce economically about the same. Single women, married women, and single men all make about the same amount.

It’s only married men who really, as a statistical average, that work really hard and earn more. They also make up a very significant part of the tax base on a dollars and cents basis.

It’s not a question of job types changing. It’s that without families to support, they’re just not working as hard. Money isn’t valuable to them in the abstract - only for supporting themselves and their families.

With the world hating them on the basis of their gender, and a land mine on every corner, is it any wonder they’re deciding to play video games in a one bedroom apartment and work part time?

But I’m sure it’s fine. No concerns here at all.

Men are simply not doing what they used to for society also.

A note-it is never explained why there is an increase in female donors. It’s never even said if it’s a decrease in men or an increase in women, just a “widening gender imbalance.”

Here’s a quote from the article you didn’t read:

The number of men giving blood has dropped by 24.8% over the past five years in England, while the number of women giving blood has fallen by 6%

[United Muscovite Nations]

Sex solely for the purpose of reproduction. Tis a filthy act.

If it's a filthy act, then why not get rid of it? That's the galaxy-brained solution. A full transition to a hatchery system by 2050!

Because in-vitro is morally wrong.

[Novus America]

I agree it would be politically difficult to implement although beholding a comprehensive system of national service (with non military options) that is voluntary at first, but slowly making certain benefits dependent on doing might make it easygoing to sneak in.

Perhaps.

National service, especially military can help break down racial and social barriers as well.

Sure, it can. Unfortunately, the only other example of a multiracial society that uses conscription-Singapore-doesn’t rely on that alone, and isn’t geographically segregated in the same way the US is. The class and racial barriers won’t break down unless there’s consistent interaction, and a small period of national service alone will only do that for a few people. It’s one thing to work with a gay latino for 2 years (length of Singapore’s conscription period) and then go home to Glendo, Wyoming, and never see one again. You’ll do a common thing that prejudiced people do when faced with someone who doesn’t conform to their stereotype “Oh, they’re one of the good ones”. You can’t solve it without fully integrating all of society.

The other things you mention like better healthcare, better recreation facilities, better education, housing subsidies etc. and national service are not mutually exclusive, but complementary.
So just because those other things would help does not detract from the need for national service.

No, they’re just better at it.

“It’s one thing to work with a gay latino for 2 years (length of Singapore’s conscription period) and then go home to Glendo, Wyoming, and never see one again.”
This is still better than never seeing one at all.

And you have not show those other things are better at it, or would work as well in the absence of national service.
Moreover it is not really important because I am not against all those things either at all.
Again they can work alongside a national service system, and using multiple complementary methods makes perfect sense.

[Novus America]

This, but unironically.

Growth vats?

We desperately need growth vats. Not because sex is bad, but because they might help save humanity. If women are not interested in reproducing we need an alternative.

[The East Marches II]

Growth vats?

We desperately need growth vats. Not because sex is bad, but because they might help save humanity. If women are not interested in reproducing we need an alternative.

Unironically this tbh

[Novus America]

The military and civil service do not try to maximize profits.

Civil service absolutely tries to maximize profits by creating a free labor force. It's not designed to fix the problems of social connectivity, and even if it were, it would be entirely inadequate.

Umm the civil service is paid. As an institution it might not be designed to help social connectivity per say but does get people out of the house and working for the benefit of society.

And there is no one silver bullet I agree, but national service certainly helps, and the fact remains we have many institutions still that are not motivated by profit. Even if many are in decline.

[Salus Maior]

Growth vats?

We desperately need growth vats. Not because sex is bad, but because they might help save humanity. If women are not interested in reproducing we need an alternative.

If we're that far gone, then we deserve whatever fate we receive from it.

[The East Marches II]

We desperately need growth vats. Not because sex is bad, but because they might help save humanity. If women are not interested in reproducing we need an alternative.

If we're that far gone, then we deserve whatever fate we receive from it.

[Turns on the Doomer playlist]

[Novus America]

We desperately need growth vats. Not because sex is bad, but because they might help save humanity. If women are not interested in reproducing we need an alternative.

If we're that far gone, then we deserve whatever fate we receive from it.

I disagree, I am not going to give up on saving humanity until the last human is dead (well or I am dead but you get the point).

[Xuloqoia]

Ooh, this is gonna be a spicy couple of pages. I might as well make some popcorn, even though it's 0026 at night.

[Telconi]

Or we could not forcibly enslave people for no good reason.

One we have damn good reasons, like stopping the collapse of society do to collapsing social interactions, collapsing birth rates, lack of civic participation and so on.

And it is not enslaving people either. It could be enforced via access to benefits rather than prison, and also conscripts are not slaves. They cannot be bought or sold, are not property, get paid, serve for a limited duration, and get full rights of citizens.

A society that only survives via forced labor isn't one worth preserving.

Except for the ones denies them if they don't serve. Which is the point. You're either coercing them to serve, or they're free to choose. One or the other.

[The East Marches II]

Ooh, this is gonna be a spicy couple of pages. I might as well make some popcorn, even though it's 0026 at night.

Just walk away

[Xuloqoia]

Ooh, this is gonna be a spicy couple of pages. I might as well make some popcorn, even though it's 0026 at night.

Just walk away

Nah, most of North America (in the RWDT inspired post-post-apocalyptic setting I'm working on) is fine for the most part, even in the ever-changing and largely lawless lands of the midwest, where fortune and glory can be won at the end of a gun or a sword.

Or something like that I guess. I'm tired, so please pardon me if I misspeak.

[Kowani]

Yes, that thing most people do. Just analyze relative military strengths.

What an excellent argument against your own preoccupation with democracy. Spending, foreign policy and troop numbers come up every election.

Do you have a point here?

We head this often. And yet, I doubt it’s veracity. The US is China’s largest export market. Furthermore, they import a metric fuckton of food from America. Until these two things are resolved, particularly the latter, China literally can’t afford to go to war with America-an army marches on its stomach. The only other country with a comparable contribution is France, and the only reason they have a contribution of that size is the Trade War. Don’t negate soft power.

That soft power thing sure saved Hong Kong didn't it?

Of course it’s not going to stop every single thing. If you wanted a miracle, go prey. It’s very good, however, at preventing outright war.

Soft power is meaningless without the actual hard power to back it up.

Yep. That’s why Switzerland, Norway and Iceland are very nearly members of the EU despite the EU not being able to force them in, and why the IMF can force developing countries into policies that benefit foreign investors and not their citizens. Hard power has been losing weight for a while now.

Otherwise they will just take your nice things and move on. Our myopic and retarded State Department tried the route you just recommended for the last 20 years. It failed miserably.

If our leadership was so great, how come we blew a couple trillion dollars on people who can't grasp democracy much less make it function? That seems a fools task. Even more when we saw it didn't work and kept putting good money after bad.

The US had a few different intervention strategies. 1:Prop up dictators. 2: Create sham democracies, with the understanding that democracy would only be allowed so long as it benefited US interests. 3: Create a democratic system without establishing any mechanisms by which that system would be safeguarded. 4: Create a Democratic System without helping fix the material conditions that work against it. None of which are actually conducive to a working democracy.

Ah, a transition period in which traditional views on masculinity aren’t connective with reality? No wonder there’s a problem. But here’s the issue-those jobs that men used as signifiers of their identity, the traditional arrangements-those aren’t coming back. Manufacturing, mining, whatever the industry is-the traditional masculine jobs aren’t coming back. Market forces prevent that. Trying to cling to the slowly dying status quo isn’t going to change that-you can’t compete. Well-paying jobs that provide community can’t compete with robots and underpaid third-world laborers. The game has changed, and the old ways aren’t coming back.

You don't disagree with my statement then on what we've constructed?[/quote] I don’t disagree that the effects are a problem. I just disagree with your solution.

It isn't just men who face the issue, it is women who absolutely refuse to marry a man who makes less than them. Even those much vaunted feminist ones.

And now we need another citation that this happens on a significant scale.

That is how taxes and taxation work for the welfare state. It's a pyramid scheme at it's heart.

No. A pyramid scheme assumes more people will buy into it. A welfare state assumes that larger incomes will support it. The two are not the same thing, and you are making the mistake of conflating population growth with incomes, in an era when the two are more disconnected than ever.

I understand you subscribe to crank theories but suggesting that a population decline and lack of income growth won't impact the state is beyond the pale for even the most ardent of the heterodox economics types.

Population decline will effect the state (although not in the way you think). You see, all of this grand analysis assumes that conditions in which the welfare state exist will stay the same. It assumes as priori three central things: that wages will not increase, that technological advancement will not happen, and that costs of care will not decrease. These are…rather unjustified assumptions, I think, and an analysis which lies on both of these things cannot really be counted.

Social capital is at an all time low and keeps decreasing outside of areas with a lucky confluence of historical factors. They have been promising what you just said for a decade. It hasn't shown up.

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Yes, which is why I made my comment.[/quote]
You messed up the quotes, I have no clue what this is referring to.

[The East Marches II]

I fixed the quotes Kowani. Give it another try. You were too quick off the gun.

[Xuloqoia]

Something we can all agree on.
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Welcome to the thread. Are you a returning user under a new account? Also, you may wish to spoiler the image.

[Napkizemlja]

We need to do what they did in Gears of War. All the men are sent to the front lines to fight the bug people, while the women are in reproductive camps unless they are infertile, then they are sent to the front lines.