Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVIII: Hyena Central Command 憶ラ

[Fahran]

Although health is important I do not think banning certain foods in a reactionary manner is the solution.

The real solution is encouraging general health, financial and other incentives.
And have much improved PE, health education and ROTC programs.
And bring back conscription.

You can be healthy and drink Coke and eat Twinkies.
Health is not one factor.

True, but the libertarian argument against imposing restrictions on people's diets and mandating physical fitness becomes a lot weaker when the public is subsidizing their healthcare. Once health becomes public business so do individual choices related to health.

[Hanafuridake]

My army of crossdressers and cosplayers will conquer the world.

Cosplay is under the domain of Slaanesh. Are you a Slaaneshi cultist, Hana?

Yes.

[Xuloqoia]

Cosplay is under the domain of Slaanesh. Are you a Slaaneshi cultist, Hana?

Yes.

Heresy. B L A M

[The East Marches II]

> We live in a society, people's decisions are not made in a vacuum.
> We live in a society

Really, Hana? That's how you decided to phrase it?

You're being rude. Marches gave it his all when he made those memes.

That was rather unnecessary old boy, I caught that :^)

My army of crossdressers and cosplayers will conquer the world.

Cosplay is under the domain of Slaanesh. Are you a Slaaneshi cultist, Hana?

As the resident expert on chaos, I would say they more fit in with the cuttlefish of keikaku

[The East Marches II]

Daily Reminder: Honsou did nothing wrong

[Hanafuridake]

Cosplay is under the domain of Slaanesh. Are you a Slaaneshi cultist, Hana?

As the resident expert on chaos, I would say they more fit in with the cuttlefish of keikaku

the Chaos God of change, curiosity, hard-to-spell names, lies, cunning, Ambition,

Come on, it's not that hard to spell.

[Hanafuridake]

Yes.

Heresy. B L A M

It's not really a surprise considering where my foundations lay.

The desire to eat good food, to wear good clothes, to live in a good house, to have money, to be respected by others, and to live a long life is part of everybody's true feelings.

[Novus America]

Although health is important I do not think banning certain foods in a reactionary manner is the solution.

The real solution is encouraging general health, financial and other incentives.
And have much improved PE, health education and ROTC programs.
And bring back conscription.

You can be healthy and drink Coke and eat Twinkies.
Health is not one factor.

True, but the libertarian argument against imposing restrictions on people's diets and mandating physical fitness becomes a lot weaker when the public is subsidizing their healthcare. Once health becomes public business so do individual choices related to health.

Right, but I my point was more reactionary banning of foods not a particularly effective way.
One better option is make the tax you pay into the system higher if you are overweight, abuse alcohol or other drugs or use tobacco.

[Catburg]

True, but the libertarian argument against imposing restrictions on people's diets and mandating physical fitness becomes a lot weaker when the public is subsidizing their healthcare. Once health becomes public business so do individual choices related to health.

Right, but I my point was more reactionary banning of foods not a particularly effective way.
One better option is make the tax you pay into the system higher if you are overweight, abuse alcohol or other drugs or use tobacco.

Also...fertility?

[Novus America]

Right, but I my point was more reactionary banning of foods not a particularly effective way.
One better option is make the tax you pay into the system higher if you are overweight, abuse alcohol or other drugs or use tobacco.

Also...fertility?

Well certainly you should get a tax break for having children.

[Fahran]

Right, but I my point was more reactionary banning of foods not a particularly effective way.
One better option is make the tax you pay into the system higher if you are overweight, abuse alcohol or other drugs or use tobacco.

Also...fertility?

If you say something silly, I just want you to know my eyes are ready to roll.

[Chernoslavia]

Although health is important I do not think banning certain foods in a reactionary manner is the solution.

The real solution is encouraging general health, financial and other incentives.
And have much improved PE, health education and ROTC programs.
And bring back conscription.

You can be healthy and drink Coke and eat Twinkies.
Health is not one factor.

Gonna have to disagree with you on the conscription part. We were able to have a well trained and capable military because of being a voluntary force.

[Cappuccina]

True, but the libertarian argument against imposing restrictions on people's diets and mandating physical fitness becomes a lot weaker when the public is subsidizing their healthcare. Once health becomes public business so do individual choices related to health.

Right, but I my point was more reactionary banning of foods not a particularly effective way.
One better option is make the tax you pay into the system higher if you are overweight, abuse alcohol or other drugs or use tobacco.

I agree with this, actually. There should also be penalties on business in the food industry for using certain ingredients.

[Fahran]

I agree with this, actually. There should also be penalties on business in the food industry for using certain ingredients.

I'd tax people according to the risk factors. We can do that with a sin tax or through a direct health-based tax. We could also provide subsidies or incentives to practice fitness and exercise and could revitalize those programs in schools.

[Cappuccina]

I agree with this, actually. There should also be penalties on business in the food industry for using certain ingredients.

I'd tax people according to the risk factors. We can do that with a sin tax or through a direct health-based tax. We could also provide subsidies or incentives to practice fitness and exercise and could revitalize those programs in schools.

In all honesty, ban high fructose corn syrup.

[Novus America]

Although health is important I do not think banning certain foods in a reactionary manner is the solution.

The real solution is encouraging general health, financial and other incentives.
And have much improved PE, health education and ROTC programs.
And bring back conscription.

You can be healthy and drink Coke and eat Twinkies.
Health is not one factor.

Gonna have to disagree with you on the conscription part. We were able to have a well trained and capable military because of being a voluntary force.

Well we would not have to conscript just everyone. We could be selective. Also the value of conscription is not really as much for simple military purposes but greater societal benefits.

Also Singapore and Israel maintain well trained and capable militaries with conscription.

[Kowani]

Gonna have to disagree with you on the conscription part. We were able to have a well trained and capable military because of being a voluntary force.

Well we would not have to conscript just everyone. We could be selective. Also the value of conscription is not really as much for simple military purposes but greater societal benefits.

Also Singapore and Israel maintain well trained and capable militaries with conscription.

Both of those countries have valid, immediately obvious reasons for conscripts. The US does not.

[Fahran]

Both of those countries have valid, immediately obvious reasons for conscripts. The US does not.

A national service does not automatically imply military service. I think having a socially acceptable alternative to going immediately into the market, trade school, or college would be beneficial in grounding a lot of young people, giving them some discipline and real-world experience, and teaching them particular skills. Or we could make it optional with compensation offered in the form of subsidized education.

[Kowani]

Both of those countries have valid, immediately obvious reasons for conscripts. The US does not.

A national service does not automatically imply military service.

No, but Novus’ post certainly did.

I think having a socially acceptable alternative to going immediately into the market, trade school, or college would be beneficial in grounding a lot of young people, giving them some discipline and real-world experience, and teaching them particular skills.

I hear this often- “young people are undisciplined, coddled, naive”- repeat ad nauseam. And yet the proposed solution is to try and mold skills for the world of yesterday. That’s great-if you’re trying to solve the problems of yesterday. And some of these skills are still useful (although I suspect you and I have a different definition of discipline). But overall- a conscript service, even a non-military one, is going to generate certain mindsets that are liabilities in the 21st century. It has some benefits (at least, from your perspective), sure. Increased sense of community, civic duty, and I’m sure I’m missing something else.

[The East Marches II]

Well we would not have to conscript just everyone. We could be selective. Also the value of conscription is not really as much for simple military purposes but greater societal benefits.

Also Singapore and Israel maintain well trained and capable militaries with conscription.

Both of those countries have valid, immediately obvious reasons for conscripts. The US does not.

We face a two front world war with an enemy power set to eclipse our naval strength by 2035. One of those fronts, our so called allies are worthless. Also we face manpower shortages.

The situation is dire enough as is.

[The East Marches II]

A national service does not automatically imply military service.

No, but Novus’ post certainly did.

I think having a socially acceptable alternative to going immediately into the market, trade school, or college would be beneficial in grounding a lot of young people, giving them some discipline and real-world experience, and teaching them particular skills.

I hear this often- “young people are undisciplined, coddled, naive”- repeat ad nauseam. And yet the proposed solution is to try and mold skills for the world of yesterday. That’s great-if you’re trying to solve the problems of yesterday. And some of these skills are still useful (although I suspect you and I have a different definition of discipline). But overall- a conscript service, even a non-military one, is going to generate certain mindsets that are liabilities in the 21st century. It has some benefits (at least, from your perspective), sure. Increased sense of community, civic duty, and I’m sure I’m missing something else.

See my post on young men checking out. Society can't continue as is. Your incoherent and disjointed worldview & justifications not with standing.

[Novus America]

Well we would not have to conscript just everyone. We could be selective. Also the value of conscription is not really as much for simple military purposes but greater societal benefits.

Also Singapore and Israel maintain well trained and capable militaries with conscription.

Both of those countries have valid, immediately obvious reasons for conscripts. The US does not.

We do, namely we face an immediate threat that has us out outnumbered in persons 4 to 1.
Plus a society breaking at the seams from tribal identity politics, poor health, lack of social interaction, a failing sense of common identity and civic virtues.

Yeah we have they need more than any. And Singapore does it more for the value of uniting a diverse society than military need. We need it just as much as they do for that purpose.

[Novus America]

Both of those countries have valid, immediately obvious reasons for conscripts. The US does not.

A national service does not automatically imply military service. I think having a socially acceptable alternative to going immediately into the market, trade school, or college would be beneficial in grounding a lot of young people, giving them some discipline and real-world experience, and teaching them particular skills. Or we could make it optional with compensation offered in the form of subsidized education.

And I would have alternative service available for conscientious objectors, the severely disabled, and those with certain skills and jobs (like steelworkers and farmers) plus parents.
Although they might still be required to be in the National Guard (except for conscientious objectors) in many cases.

[Salus Maior]

A national service does not automatically imply military service. I think having a socially acceptable alternative to going immediately into the market, trade school, or college would be beneficial in grounding a lot of young people, giving them some discipline and real-world experience, and teaching them particular skills. Or we could make it optional with compensation offered in the form of subsidized education.

And I would have alternative service available for conscientious objectors, the severely disabled, and those with certain skills, plus parents.

I probably would exempt parents and the disabled from service entirely.

At least outside of dire need.

[The East Marches II]

And I would have alternative service available for conscientious objectors, the severely disabled, and those with certain skills, plus parents.

I probably would exempt parents and the disabled from service entirely.

At least outside of dire need.

It's a good way to fix the birth rate issues :^)