Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVIII: Hyena Central Command 憶ラ

[Hanafuridake]

I feel bad for admitting this, but part of me is glad that Ungern-Sternberg is burning in hell because I hate the idolization of him with a passion.

[Nea Byzantia]

I feel bad for admitting this, but part of me is glad that Ungern-Sternberg is burning in hell because I hate the idolization of him with a passion.

But Hana, he could've been the Great Khan...

[Salus Maior]

I feel bad for admitting this, but part of me is glad that Ungern-Sternberg is burning in hell because I hate the idolization of him with a passion.

Why do people even like him?

I mean, he's a historical oddity, but that's about the extent of what he is.

[Torrocca]

Do elaborate, Telconi.

Is killing millions categorically unnecessary? Or, are there times when it is necessary?

It's always fucking unnecessary.

It's just as likely that a bunch of Capitalist countries immediately going in and attacking a country that had just managed to avoid literal genocide and that served as a misguiding ideal of revolution for people across the world would've led to a far worse outcome than whatever the Cold War brought along. Never mind the fact that Operation Unthinkable alone would've gotten millions of people - who had just survived a World War and were tired of fighting, mind you - needlessly killed in a conflict that they themselves didn't want.

It would have liberated a number of countries who didn't want to be under Russia's thumb.

Liberated parcels of territory don't matter much if there's nobody alive inside their borders to enjoy said liberty.

Not going immediately into another war straight after WWII had just ended was the objectively better option.

[Nea Byzantia]

I feel bad for admitting this, but part of me is glad that Ungern-Sternberg is burning in hell because I hate the idolization of him with a passion.

Why do people even like him?

I mean, he's a historical oddity, but that's about the extent of what he is.

If he had been successful, though, he'd have been much more than an oddity...

[Salus Maior]

Liberated parcels of territory don't matter much if there's nobody alive inside their borders to enjoy said liberty.

Not going immediately into another war straight after WWII had just ended was the objectively better option.

Tell that to the Hungarian Revolutionaries who got crushed under Soviet tanks.

[Torrocca]

Liberated parcels of territory don't matter much if there's nobody alive inside their borders to enjoy said liberty.

Not going immediately into another war straight after WWII had just ended was the objectively better option.

Tell that to the Hungarian Revolutionaries who got crushed under Soviet tanks.

I don't know who exactly taught you math, but three thousand people being killed by an authoritarian regime (which, as should go without saying, is an objectively shitty thing) isn't as bad as millions of people being slaughtered in a war.

[Telconi]

Is killing millions categorically unnecessary? Or, are there times when it is necessary?

It's always fucking unnecessary.

It would have liberated a number of countries who didn't want to be under Russia's thumb.

Liberated parcels of territory don't matter much if there's nobody alive inside their borders to enjoy said liberty.

Not going immediately into another war straight after WWII had just ended was the objectively better option.

Well apparently we disagree, but I'm pretty thrilled at the lack of Hitler portraits in the classrooms I was instructed in.

[Nea Byzantia]

Tell that to the Hungarian Revolutionaries who got crushed under Soviet tanks.

or the Poles who were ethnically cleansed from Kresy and sent to formerly German territory that they didn't wanna live in.

...Or the tens of millions of Russian and Ukrainian peasants brutally murdered by Stalin in the 1920s and 1930s

[Salus Maior]

Why do people even like him?

I mean, he's a historical oddity, but that's about the extent of what he is.

If he had been successful, though, he'd have been much more than an oddity...

I mean, if I could single handedly reclaim Constantinople I guess I would be more than a broke college student.

There wasn't any chance that his plan would have worked, so why care?

[Hanafuridake]

1) What’s the Mahāvairocana-sūtra?

It's a sutra which is said to have been delivered by the Buddha Vairocana (the cosmic buddha) to his disciple which deals with the nature of the mind and universe, primarily topics such as emptiness, religious progression, etc. For someone to fully explain it, they would need to be initiated into the Shingon school, which I haven't been yet, so I'm not fully comfortable providing a summary.

2) What’s the Tendai school?

Japanese Buddhist school.

3) What’s the Lotus Sutra?

The Lotus Sutra is probably the most popular East Asian sutra which is Shakyamuni's penultimate teaching to all sentient beings. The topics that it covers are immense, but the most important are the three vehicles being one, potential enlightenment of everyone, and the infinite lifespan of the Buddha.

4) Why are things this way?

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[Salus Maior]

Tell that to the Hungarian Revolutionaries who got crushed under Soviet tanks.

I don't know who exactly taught you math, but three thousand people being killed by an authoritarian regime (which, as should go without saying, is an objectively shitty thing) isn't as bad as millions of people being slaughtered in a war.

How very utilitarian of you.

You're really bad at being an anarchist, you know that?

[Torrocca]

I don't know who exactly taught you math, but three thousand people being killed by an authoritarian regime (which, as should go without saying, is an objectively shitty thing) isn't as bad as millions of people being slaughtered in a war.

How very utilitarian of you.

You're really bad at being an anarchist, you know that?

As we all know, True Anarchism^TM is when you openly support global warfare between numerous states and regimes leading to millions of people dying, and the more global wars you support the Anarchister it is.

[Hanafuridake]

I feel bad for admitting this, but part of me is glad that Ungern-Sternberg is burning in hell because I hate the idolization of him with a passion.

Why do people even like him?

I mean, he's a historical oddity, but that's about the extent of what he is.

There's a legend that a lama referred to him as an incarnation of the god of war, and now some fascists think he represents some form of based warrior Buddhism that doesn't have all the icky stuff about mercy and compassion.

[Torrocca]

I don't know who exactly taught you math, but three thousand people being killed by an authoritarian regime (which, as should go without saying, is an objectively shitty thing) isn't as bad as millions of people being slaughtered in a war.

>willing to sacrifice millions to fight the Nazis
>not willing to sacrifice a single soul to fight the Soviets

how convenient for an alleged ancom

It's almost like World War Two itself started in the context of the Nazis openly invading their numerous neighbors in the pursuit of genocide, or something, whereas the USSR wasn't doing that at the immediate end of World War Two.

[Telconi]

>willing to sacrifice millions to fight the Nazis
>not willing to sacrifice a single soul to fight the Soviets

how convenient for an alleged ancom

It's almost like World War Two itself started in the context of the Nazis openly invading their numerous neighbors in the pursuit of genocide, or something, whereas the USSR wasn't doing that at the immediate end of World War Two.

Why does it matter what the Nazis were doing, after all...

It's always fucking unnecessary.

[Salus Maior]

>willing to sacrifice millions to fight the Nazis
>not willing to sacrifice a single soul to fight the Soviets

how convenient for an alleged ancom

It's almost like World War Two itself started in the context of the Nazis openly invading their numerous neighbors in the pursuit of genocide, or something, whereas the USSR wasn't doing that at the immediate end of World War Two.

You mean when the Soviets and the Nazis both invaded Poland and started committing atrocities and ethnic cleansing?

You're such a closet tankie.

[Xuloqoia]

1) What’s the Mahāvairocana-sūtra?

It's a sutra which is said to have been delivered by the Buddha Vairocana (the cosmic buddha) to his disciple which deals with the nature of the mind and universe, primarily topics such as emptiness, religious progression, etc. For someone to fully explain it, they would need to be initiated into the Shingon school, which I haven't been yet, so I'm not fully comfortable providing a summary.

2) What’s the Tendai school?

Japanese Buddhist school.

3) What’s the Lotus Sutra?

The Lotus Sutra is probably the most popular East Asian sutra which is Shakyamuni's penultimate teaching to all sentient beings. The topics that it covers are immense, but the most important are the three vehicles being one, potential enlightenment of everyone, and the infinite lifespan of the Buddha.

4) Why are things this way?

?

Thank you for your responses; as to the fourth question, it was more about why the Shingon and Nichiren schools are different. At least from my (admittedly rather ignorant) perspective, the differences between Buddhist Schools seem to be greater than the differences between, say, Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Does that make any sense?

[Telconi]

It's almost like World War Two itself started in the context of the Nazis openly invading their numerous neighbors in the pursuit of genocide, or something, whereas the USSR wasn't doing that at the immediate end of World War Two.

You mean when the Soviets and the Nazis both invaded Poland and started committing atrocities and ethnic cleansing?

You're such a closet tankie.

Who's closet door is transparent?

[Torrocca]

It's almost like World War Two itself started in the context of the Nazis openly invading their numerous neighbors in the pursuit of genocide, or something, whereas the USSR wasn't doing that at the immediate end of World War Two.

Why does it matter what the Nazis were doing, after all...

It's always fucking unnecessary.

It's almost like the Nazis were unnecessarily killing and genociding millions of people because their own ideology said it was actually necessary, or something. Y'know, people, in general, tend to heavily dislike being attacked by genocidal forces. It was absolutely necessary to fight back against the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that millions of people dying was necessary.

[Telconi]

Why does it matter what the Nazis were doing, after all...

It's almost like the Nazis were unnecessarily killing and genociding millions of people because their own ideology said it was actually necessary, or something. Y'know, people, in general, tend to heavily dislike being attacked by genocidal forces. It was absolutely necessary to fight back against the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that millions of people dying was necessary.

Oh right, we needed to fight the Nazis without actually fighting them, how foolish of me.

[Salus Maior]

Why does it matter what the Nazis were doing, after all...

It's almost like the Nazis were unnecessarily killing and genociding millions of people because their own ideology said it was actually necessary, or something. Y'know, people, in general, tend to heavily dislike being attacked by genocidal forces. It was absolutely necessary to fight back against the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that millions of people dying was necessary.

The Soviets also did a lot of horrible things to Poles, specifically targeting them.

[Telconi]

It's almost like the Nazis were unnecessarily killing and genociding millions of people because their own ideology said it was actually necessary, or something. Y'know, people, in general, tend to heavily dislike being attacked by genocidal forces. It was absolutely necessary to fight back against the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that millions of people dying was necessary.

The Soviets also did a lot of horrible things to Poles, specifically targeting them.

Leftists can't murder silly. It's all self defense.

[Torrocca]

It's almost like World War Two itself started in the context of the Nazis openly invading their numerous neighbors in the pursuit of genocide, or something, whereas the USSR wasn't doing that at the immediate end of World War Two.

You mean when the Soviets and the Nazis both invaded Poland and started committing atrocities and ethnic cleansing?

You're such a closet tankie.

You do realize things would be different if the Western Allies had pursued the USSR for that as it happened, right? As it stands, that's not how history played out, though I'm sure you can guess whether or not I'd have preferred Stalin and his cronies being punished for those crimes and the crimes of the past decades, in spite of your bullshit accusations of me being a closeted tankie.

This whole argument has been about Operation Unthinkable happening after World War Two's end. It's not about "should the Allies have gone after the Soviets too as they were committing atrocities at the beginning of World War Two?" or "should the world have gone after the USSR during the Holodomor?" Quit shifting your arguments around and acting like you're pulling off some clever "gotcha".

[Torrocca]

It's almost like the Nazis were unnecessarily killing and genociding millions of people because their own ideology said it was actually necessary, or something. Y'know, people, in general, tend to heavily dislike being attacked by genocidal forces. It was absolutely necessary to fight back against the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that millions of people dying was necessary.

Oh right, we needed to fight the Nazis without actually fighting them, how foolish of me.

It must be fun to deliberately misconstrue what somebody's saying, huh?

Every death caused by World War Two was unnecessary, because the whole fucking war was an unnecessary event that only ever occurred because of genocidal regimes doing genocidal shit.