Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVIII: Hyena Central Command 憶ラ

[Xuloqoia]

Really? Huh, that's actually fairly neat. Thanks for sharing the information.

Yeah. They’re too expensive to mass produce without industrialization, but it’s perfectly possible for officers/commandos/wealthy private citizens to have access. I’d expect general warfare to look like late civil war era(flintlocks and minie balls are also not terribly difficult) with some anachronisms- elite units might have some slightly better weapons, but not regular line troops, and most battles are tens or hundreds of thousands of conscripts in a trench with casualties reaching five digits.

Keep in mind that the DPRC and Hive are industrialized; I'm aiming for (ultimately) a three-way cold war between the DPRC, Hive, and Tejas. I don't want to make any of the three factions over/under-powered in comparison to the others. I was thinking that Tejas's main advantage is being the largest of the factions by land area, but that has its own set of problems. Maybe there's a saying, "never invade Tejas in the summer". What do you all think?

[Genivaria]

• Greater Pennsylvanian Hive: Me, with occasional touches of Bien. Sinister totalitarian undertones and zealously expansionist, but affable and polite about all of it. Basically the "Harmonious Collective" AI personality from Stellaris, or perhaps the Tau Empire from 40k. Tragically misguided faux-noblebright. Controls the Mid-Atlantic and Great Lakes.
• Democratic People's Republic of California: Kowani. Cliched "dirty communists" straight out of Cold War propaganda. Really, you can guess what this faction is all about by the name alone. Controls much of the West Coast (including the Canadian parts), save for Baja California (which is a puppet regime loyal to Tejas).
• Militant Orders of the Mississippi: Lumi. Catholics who fight for great justice. Basically warrior monks/nuns that go on quests and such. Lawful Good. Originate in Louisiana, but operate all along the Mississippi.
• Anarcho-Tsarist Communes: UMN. Anarcho-primitivist semi-pacifists (self-defense only) with vaguely Eastern Orthodox characteristics. Tolstoy would be proud. Shun machinery and industrialization as they believe it to lead to moral corruption. Very communitarian, but wary of outsiders. Have no defined territory, but tend to be in the midwest and Appalachia.

To name a few. I'm busy today, so I can't name all of the factions at this time.

I call dibs on Nevada.

I declare the Republic of the Rio Grande, incorporating Texas and a bit below the border.

[Xuloqoia]

I call dibs on Nevada.

I declare the Republic of the Rio Grande, incorporating Texas and a bit below the border.

... Dio gets Texas Tejas, though.

[Northern Davincia]

I call dibs on Nevada.

I declare the Republic of the Rio Grande, incorporating Texas and a bit below the border.

If New York is up for grabs, it shall be mine. The glorious Art Deco Empire will rise!

[Diopolis]

Yeah. They’re too expensive to mass produce without industrialization, but it’s perfectly possible for officers/commandos/wealthy private citizens to have access. I’d expect general warfare to look like late civil war era(flintlocks and minie balls are also not terribly difficult) with some anachronisms- elite units might have some slightly better weapons, but not regular line troops, and most battles are tens or hundreds of thousands of conscripts in a trench with casualties reaching five digits.

Keep in mind that the DPRC and Hive are industrialized; I'm aiming for (ultimately) a three-way cold war between the DPRC, Hive, and Tejas. I don't want to make any of the three factions over/under-powered in comparison to the others. I was thinking that Tejas's main advantage is being the largest of the factions by land area, but that has its own set of problems. Maybe there's a saying, "never invade Tejas in the summer". What do you all think?

Is Tejas supposed to be imperial Russia?
I can try to figure out a way to make it competitive with the other two despite a generally low level of tech, although imperial Russia wasn’t that far behind compared to its rivals.

[Genivaria]

I declare the Republic of the Rio Grande, incorporating Texas and a bit below the border.

... Dio gets Texas Tejas, though.

Damn

[Genivaria]

I declare the Republic of the Rio Grande, incorporating Texas and a bit below the border.

If New York is up for grabs, it shall be mine. The glorious Art Deco Empire will rise!

Davincia confirmed hipster.

[The East Marches II]

I declare the Republic of the Rio Grande, incorporating Texas and a bit below the border.

If New York is up for grabs, it shall be mine. The glorious Art Deco Empire will rise!

You're cancelled.

[Northern Davincia]

If New York is up for grabs, it shall be mine. The glorious Art Deco Empire will rise!

Davincia confirmed hipster.

This is egregious slander! I don't even wear a beanie that often!

If New York is up for grabs, it shall be mine. The glorious Art Deco Empire will rise!

You're cancelled.

All must embrace superior architecture.

[Xuloqoia]

I declare the Republic of the Rio Grande, incorporating Texas and a bit below the border.

If New York is up for grabs, it shall be mine. The glorious Art Deco Empire will rise!

I mean, I had it so that New York was seized by the Hivers, but it's possible they seized the Great Lakes through Ohio instead. My main thing was that Niagra Falls was property of the Hive, and was used to generate hydroelectricity.

[Northern Davincia]

If New York is up for grabs, it shall be mine. The glorious Art Deco Empire will rise!

I mean, I had it so that New York was seized by the Hivers, but it's possible they seized the Great Lakes through Ohio instead. My main thing was that Niagra Falls was property of the Hive, and was used to generate hydroelectricity.

It's more fun to have privatized coal mine prisons for acquiring energy. If not that, then fracking. Perhaps Pennsylvania is better suited for either of those.

[Xuloqoia]

I mean, I had it so that New York was seized by the Hivers, but it's possible they seized the Great Lakes through Ohio instead. My main thing was that Niagra Falls was property of the Hive, and was used to generate hydroelectricity.

It's more fun to have privatized coal mine prisons for acquiring energy. If not that, then fracking. Perhaps Pennsylvania is better suited for either of those.

> Privatized

In all seriousness, though, the Hive has a mixed economy with corporatist characteristics.

[Xuloqoia]

Keep in mind that the DPRC and Hive are industrialized; I'm aiming for (ultimately) a three-way cold war between the DPRC, Hive, and Tejas. I don't want to make any of the three factions over/under-powered in comparison to the others. I was thinking that Tejas's main advantage is being the largest of the factions by land area, but that has its own set of problems. Maybe there's a saying, "never invade Tejas in the summer". What do you all think?

Is Tejas supposed to be imperial Russia?
I can try to figure out a way to make it competitive with the other two despite a generally low level of tech, although imperial Russia wasn’t that far behind compared to its rivals.

Imperial Russia, but warm and Catholic. :^)

[Northern Davincia]

Is Tejas supposed to be imperial Russia?
I can try to figure out a way to make it competitive with the other two despite a generally low level of tech, although imperial Russia wasn’t that far behind compared to its rivals.

Imperial Russia, but warm and Catholic. :^)

Ah, superior Russia.

[The East Marches II]

Davincia confirmed hipster.

This is egregious slander! I don't even wear a beanie that often!

You're cancelled.

All must embrace superior architecture.

Memphis School rise up :^)

[Napkizemlja]

Biofuels and horses mi amigo. Would still posses access to firearms to boot.

Gunsmiths would exist, yes, although perhaps the firearms of 2525 would be a tad... simpler than what we have nowadays. A "blast from the past" if you will. At most, I can see WWI and (maybe) WWII era firearms as (relatively, mind you) common among "civilized" factions.

Not really. Nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin are not that hard to make and you can get the necessary components from plants, bacteria, and animals.

[Xuloqoia]

Gunsmiths would exist, yes, although perhaps the firearms of 2525 would be a tad... simpler than what we have nowadays. A "blast from the past" if you will. At most, I can see WWI and (maybe) WWII era firearms as (relatively, mind you) common among "civilized" factions.

Not really. Nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin are not that hard to make and you can get the necessary components from plants, bacteria, and animals.

A bit late, no?

[Napkizemlja]

Gunsmiths would exist, yes, although perhaps the firearms of 2525 would be a tad... simpler than what we have nowadays. A "blast from the past" if you will. At most, I can see WWI and (maybe) WWII era firearms as (relatively, mind you) common among "civilized" factions.

Revolvers and break action shotguns with paper cartridges are actually pretty simple to make with even less tech- they don’t require much of an industrial base- and it’s perfectly possible to reload current ammunition with black powder(although the performance does suffer somewhat).

You don't even have to revert to black powder. Cellulose and glycerin can be obtained from plants and animals (glycerin can be obtained from both) while the nitrogen necessary to make them both nitroglycerin and nitrocellulose can be obtained by various bacteria that are great for growing plants. After that you just need some water.

[Napkizemlja]

Not really. Nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin are not that hard to make and you can get the necessary components from plants, bacteria, and animals.

A bit late, no?

What?

[Xuloqoia]

A bit late, no?

What?

Oh, nevermind.

Revolvers and break action shotguns with paper cartridges are actually pretty simple to make with even less tech- they don’t require much of an industrial base- and it’s perfectly possible to reload current ammunition with black powder(although the performance does suffer somewhat).

You don't even have to revert to black powder. Cellulose and glycerin can be obtained from plants and animals (glycerin can be obtained from both) while the nitrogen necessary to make them both nitroglycerin and nitrocellulose can be obtained by various bacteria that are great for growing plants. After that you just need some water.

I'm actually curious about the feasibility of mass-producing nitroglycerin and nitrocellulose in a society that lacks a solid industrial base. What do you all think about the matter?

[Napkizemlja]

What?

Oh, nevermind.

You don't even have to revert to black powder. Cellulose and glycerin can be obtained from plants and animals (glycerin can be obtained from both) while the nitrogen necessary to make them both nitroglycerin and nitrocellulose can be obtained by various bacteria that are great for growing plants. After that you just need some water.

I'm actually curious about the feasibility of mass-producing nitroglycerin and nitrocellulose in a society that lacks a solid industrial base. What do you all think about the matter?

Considering at one point, soap was being produced in the High Middle Ages at near industrial levels, I think you could produce enough to outfit an army given the wealth to do so. And it's not like all "barbarian" kingdoms have been poor, a lot of them have been quite prosperous at various points, especially if they are in control of well traveled trade routes.

[Xuloqoia]

Oh, nevermind.



I'm actually curious about the feasibility of mass-producing nitroglycerin and nitrocellulose in a society that lacks a solid industrial base. What do you all think about the matter?

Considering at one point, soap was being produced in the High Middle Ages at near industrial levels, I think you could produce enough to outfit an army given the wealth to do so. And it's not like all "barbarian" kingdoms have been poor, a lot of them have been quite prosperous at various points, especially if they are in control of well traveled trade routes.

Interesting. Actually, I need to detail the economics of North America 2525. I'll do it later, since I'm currently reading my Statistics textbook.

[Bienenhalde]

Imagine worshiping a deified man god instead of the true elven gods.

Imagine being a man and worshiping elven """gods""" instead of the legit (word of god) most powerful immortal being in Mundus :/

Elves are so much better than humans though. I wish I were an elf...

[Napkizemlja]

Considering at one point, soap was being produced in the High Middle Ages at near industrial levels, I think you could produce enough to outfit an army given the wealth to do so. And it's not like all "barbarian" kingdoms have been poor, a lot of them have been quite prosperous at various points, especially if they are in control of well traveled trade routes.

Interesting. Actually, I need to detail the economics of North America 2525. I'll do it later, since I'm currently reading my Statistics textbook.

Indeed. Also another thing to look at for inspiration would be the Khyber Pass. Khyber Pass copies, while not always of the highest quality (though some can be very, very good firearms), are produced in large numbers by independent gunsmiths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass_copy

[Xuloqoia]

Imagine being a man and worshiping elven """gods""" instead of the legit (word of god) most powerful immortal being in Mundus :/

Elves are so much better than humans though. I wish I were an elf...

Okay Thalmor.