Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVIII: Hyena Central Command 憶ラ

[Genivaria]

And what is just posting a link about the people of Chile supposed to prove? Your effort is lacking.

Please read the article. Why is there a strong connection between genetics and socioeconomic conditions?

That's the claim that you have to prove. Simply posting a link is lazy and I'm not going to do your homework for you.

[Gorbehstan]

How were Mesoamerican civilizations good if they could be permanently pwned by Spaniards like that?

That's a pretty low standard and arbitrary standard to use.

Ok unlike Africans they couldn’t even have their own Mandelas and overthrow white minority rule despite being a supermajority in many places from Mexico to Argentina. This does reveal much about their quality. At least you can’t rule over 90%+ black places forever as what happened to Saint Domingue and Zanzibar revealed.

[Fahran]

Performance in what? Bed?

The economy, politics, innovation etc.

There is a reason why second generation immigrants such as Bolsonaro and Kirchner dominate Latin America..namely they are the only white people in a mulatto/mestizo country.

Except they're not. And they fit into a preexisting racial hierarchy. And their immediate ancestors are materially better off than Brazilians living in the northern parts of the country.

[Hanafuridake]

What's wrong with being mixed race?

Nothing, according to what you just said, supposedly it's fine if you're "good races" but what makes a good race? Mesoamerican civilizations were incredibly advanced and intricate, so it can't be that their civilization was inferior (indeed, the only factors that led to their defeat were lack of immunity from European disease and lack of gunpowder and advanced metalworking, and also the fact that the Spanish took advantage of internal divisions).

So, supposedly, a descendant from the Incans, whose civilization was mathematically and structurally advanced, and a Spaniard should be a "good race" if you want to be consistent in your ideology and not backtrack just because you don't like specific peoples.

How were Mesoamerican civilizations good if they could be permanently pwned by Spaniards like that?

[Genivaria]

How were Mesoamerican civilizations good if they could be permanently pwned by Spaniards like that?

They managed to run a huge empire without money, wheels, or written language for one.

And again, how can you suggest your own supremacy when your culture was also a bitch to other cultures for a huge part of their history?

By his standard the epitome of Euro civilization the Roman Empire can be dismissed because it "got permanently pwned by Barbarians."
What a sloppy view of history.

[Gorbehstan]

They managed to run a huge empire without money, wheels, or written language for one.

And again, how can you suggest your own supremacy when your culture was also a bitch to other cultures for a huge part of their history?

By his standard the epitome of Euro civilization the Roman Empire can be dismissed because it "got permanently pwned by Barbarians."
What a sloppy view of history.

Nope. Germanic “barbarians” were still white.

[Genivaria]

That's a pretty low standard and arbitrary standard to use.

Ok unlike Africans they couldn’t even have their own Mandelas and overthrow white minority rule despite being a supermajority in many places from Mexico to Argentina. This does reveal much about their quality.

Yeah you see you're making more claims that you need to back up and so far you've demonstrated zero of your claims.

Also who even is Simon Bolivar amirite?

[Genivaria]

By his standard the epitome of Euro civilization the Roman Empire can be dismissed because it "got permanently pwned by Barbarians."
What a sloppy view of history.

Nope. Germanic “barbarians” were still white.

Yep, which shows that your standards are hypocritical as fuck.
Fuck that was easy.

[Gorbehstan]

The economy, politics, innovation etc.

There is a reason why second generation immigrants such as Bolsonaro and Kirchner dominate Latin America..namely they are the only white people in a mulatto/mestizo country.

Except they're not. And they fit into a preexisting racial hierarchy. And their immediate ancestors are materially better off than Brazilians living in the northern parts of the country.

Even compared to those in the southern part of Brazil they do well. I wonder why..

[Fahran]

Um... you do realize that most of Latin America maintained racial hierarchies and discriminatory laws that ensured that mestizos and mulattos had limited material opportunities, right?

In Chile and Argentina many mulattos and mestizos should appear pretty white, so the problem is probably more genetic than environmental.

Chile and Argentina have large light-skinned populations. A lot of the elites have historically been Spanish, Italian, and German in terms of their ancestry. And you can't really downplay the impact of hundreds of years of systematic racial discrimination and rigid patriarchal hierarchies. A lot of the racial and ethnic issues in Latin America are more severe than those in the United States. We just don't have the same dedication in studying them because the reputation of Latin America is that it's a place where racial boundaries are more fluid, despite all evidence to the contrary.

[Gorbehstan]

Ok unlike Africans they couldn’t even have their own Mandelas and overthrow white minority rule despite being a supermajority in many places from Mexico to Argentina. This does reveal much about their quality.

Yeah you see you're making more claims that you need to back up and so far you've demonstrated zero of your claims.

Also who even is Simon Bolivar amirite?

Simon Bolivar was likely white or someone only with very low admixture from Native Americans and Africans. So again it proves nothing.

[Fahran]

Yeah you see you're making more claims that you need to back up and so far you've demonstrated zero of your claims.

Also who even is Simon Bolivar amirite?

Simon Bolivar was likely white or someone only with very low admixture from Native Americans and Africans. So again it proves nothing.

Bolivar was a criollo so, yeah, he was white.

[Gorbehstan]

In Chile and Argentina many mulattos and mestizos should appear pretty white, so the problem is probably more genetic than environmental.

Chile and Argentina have large light-skinned populations. A lot of the elites have historically been Spanish, Italian, and German in terms of their ancestry. And you can't really downplay the impact of hundreds of years of systematic racial discrimination and rigid patriarchal hierarchies. A lot of the racial and ethnic issues in Latin America are more severe than those in the United States. We just don't have the same dedication in studying them because the reputation of Latin America is that it's a place where racial boundaries are more fluid, despite all evidence to the contrary.

What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.

[Salus Maior]

By his standard the epitome of Euro civilization the Roman Empire can be dismissed because it "got permanently pwned by Barbarians."
What a sloppy view of history.

Nope. Germanic “barbarians” were still white.

Mediterraneans aren't really white, if you've ever met someone from the region.

[Gorbehstan]

Nope. Germanic “barbarians” were still white.

Mediterraneans aren't really white, if you've ever met someone from the region.

They are still Caucasoid and it is clear from history that all Caucasoids from Britain to Arabia are capable of leading the world.

[Communal concils]

I think that I would like to have a debate with some reactionaries. I don't know, maybe a paleo-con, a Religious fundamentalist or even a Neo-Reactionary/ any member of the Alt right. Explain to me the time period that we should go back to, and why it's "Better" than my Neo-Marxist beliefs.

You'd need to define precisely what your Neo-Marxist beliefs are but my broad opposition to Marx stems from his problematic historiography, his emphasis on class as opposed to culture (something Gramsci and Gentile considered more thoroughly), his misappropriation of Hegelian dialectics (a prominent critique that more aptly applies to Marxists as opposed to Marx), and, lastly, the penchant of many of his followers for deconstructing institutions, traditions, and hierarchies without any sound basis.

I am Neo-Marxist in terms of rejecting everything Marx advocates for after a theoretical revolution. The concept of the "Withering away of the state won't happen in my opinion. unlike other Marxist, I see reform as a valid option( I believe that Revolution and reform are both useful tools for putting ideals into practice). Oh, and patriotism is another thing I value. Culture is another thing I value.

[Genivaria]

Chile and Argentina have large light-skinned populations. A lot of the elites have historically been Spanish, Italian, and German in terms of their ancestry. And you can't really downplay the impact of hundreds of years of systematic racial discrimination and rigid patriarchal hierarchies. A lot of the racial and ethnic issues in Latin America are more severe than those in the United States. We just don't have the same dedication in studying them because the reputation of Latin America is that it's a place where racial boundaries are more fluid, despite all evidence to the contrary.

What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.

You've yet to demonstrate any supposed 'superiority'.

[Fahran]

Except they're not. And they fit into a preexisting racial hierarchy. And their immediate ancestors are materially better off than Brazilians living in the northern parts of the country.

Even compared to those in the southern part of Brazil they do well. I wonder why..

Because they probably didn't grow up in the same degree of poverty, had access to educational facilities that allowed them to achieve their full potential, weren't dealing with the criminality and lack of robust state-sanctioned institutions in the favelas, etc. You're simply ignoring the wide spectrum of social context that provides a more compelling argument than your race centric view of the world. Culture matters. Technology matters. Institutions matter. Sub-Saharan Africans have done remarkably well when they've had those on an equal footing. Take me back to 400 CE and, materially, I'd rather be living in Aksum than Britannia.

[Hanafuridake]

Chile and Argentina have large light-skinned populations. A lot of the elites have historically been Spanish, Italian, and German in terms of their ancestry. And you can't really downplay the impact of hundreds of years of systematic racial discrimination and rigid patriarchal hierarchies. A lot of the racial and ethnic issues in Latin America are more severe than those in the United States. We just don't have the same dedication in studying them because the reputation of Latin America is that it's a place where racial boundaries are more fluid, despite all evidence to the contrary.

What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.

Why do you think that white people are a homogeneous group?

[Fahran]

What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.

Why do you think that white people are a homogeneous group?

Why does he think Sub-Saharan Africans are a homogeneous group? They have more genetic diversity than most geographic groups.

[Gorbehstan]

What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.

Why do you think that white people are a homogeneous group?

They aren’t. However even the worst Caucasoid people are much better than the best Sub-Saharan and Native American people. Outside the Caucasoid world there is only one place with major civilizations, namely NE Asia which started civilization much later than Caucasoids but still thankfully managed not to be outdated.

[Genivaria]

Mediterraneans aren't really white, if you've ever met someone from the region.

They are still Caucasoid and it is clear from history that all Caucasoids from Britain to Arabia are capable of leading the world.

Ah, I see you attach your identity to outdated racial theories.

[Gorbehstan]

Why do you think that white people are a homogeneous group?

Why does he think Sub-Saharan Africans are a homogeneous group? They have more genetic diversity than most geographic groups.

I never claimed that SSA are homogeneous. They aren’t actually one race at all. Instead all non-SSA are a small group of weird East Africans who for unknown reasons got out of Africa.

[Fahran]

What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.

No. I've demonstrated that rigid racial hierarchies that divide people into castes based on the color of their skin and limit the access of people with darker skin to social institutions tend to result in racial inequality. If you give people equal access to social institutions, a lot of those inequalities begin to vanish after a few generations. And racial lines often get blurred as well.

[Gorbehstan]

They are still Caucasoid and it is clear from history that all Caucasoids from Britain to Arabia are capable of leading the world.

Ah, I see you attach your identity to outdated racial theories.

What I said is true. All Caucasoids are good. Some Mongoloids are good. No Negroids or Australoids is good.