That's the claim that you have to prove. Simply posting a link is lazy and I'm not going to do your homework for you.
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by Gorbehstan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:16 pm
by Fahran » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:17 pm
by Hanafuridake » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:17 pm
Gorbehstan wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
What's wrong with being mixed race?
Nothing, according to what you just said, supposedly it's fine if you're "good races" but what makes a good race? Mesoamerican civilizations were incredibly advanced and intricate, so it can't be that their civilization was inferior (indeed, the only factors that led to their defeat were lack of immunity from European disease and lack of gunpowder and advanced metalworking, and also the fact that the Spanish took advantage of internal divisions).
So, supposedly, a descendant from the Incans, whose civilization was mathematically and structurally advanced, and a Spaniard should be a "good race" if you want to be consistent in your ideology and not backtrack just because you don't like specific peoples.
How were Mesoamerican civilizations good if they could be permanently pwned by Spaniards like that?
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by Genivaria » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:18 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Gorbehstan wrote:
How were Mesoamerican civilizations good if they could be permanently pwned by Spaniards like that?
They managed to run a huge empire without money, wheels, or written language for one.
And again, how can you suggest your own supremacy when your culture was also a bitch to other cultures for a huge part of their history?
by Gorbehstan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:19 pm
Genivaria wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
They managed to run a huge empire without money, wheels, or written language for one.
And again, how can you suggest your own supremacy when your culture was also a bitch to other cultures for a huge part of their history?
By his standard the epitome of Euro civilization the Roman Empire can be dismissed because it "got permanently pwned by Barbarians."
What a sloppy view of history.
by Genivaria » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:19 pm
Gorbehstan wrote:Genivaria wrote:That's a pretty low standard and arbitrary standard to use.
Ok unlike Africans they couldn’t even have their own Mandelas and overthrow white minority rule despite being a supermajority in many places from Mexico to Argentina. This does reveal much about their quality.
by Gorbehstan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:20 pm
Fahran wrote:Gorbehstan wrote:The economy, politics, innovation etc.
There is a reason why second generation immigrants such as Bolsonaro and Kirchner dominate Latin America..namely they are the only white people in a mulatto/mestizo country.
Except they're not. And they fit into a preexisting racial hierarchy. And their immediate ancestors are materially better off than Brazilians living in the northern parts of the country.
by Fahran » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:22 pm
Gorbehstan wrote:Fahran wrote:Um... you do realize that most of Latin America maintained racial hierarchies and discriminatory laws that ensured that mestizos and mulattos had limited material opportunities, right?
In Chile and Argentina many mulattos and mestizos should appear pretty white, so the problem is probably more genetic than environmental.
by Gorbehstan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:22 pm
Genivaria wrote:Gorbehstan wrote:
Ok unlike Africans they couldn’t even have their own Mandelas and overthrow white minority rule despite being a supermajority in many places from Mexico to Argentina. This does reveal much about their quality.
Yeah you see you're making more claims that you need to back up and so far you've demonstrated zero of your claims.
Also who even is Simon Bolivar amirite?
by Fahran » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:23 pm
Gorbehstan wrote:Genivaria wrote:Yeah you see you're making more claims that you need to back up and so far you've demonstrated zero of your claims.
Also who even is Simon Bolivar amirite?
Simon Bolivar was likely white or someone only with very low admixture from Native Americans and Africans. So again it proves nothing.
by Gorbehstan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:24 pm
Fahran wrote:Gorbehstan wrote:In Chile and Argentina many mulattos and mestizos should appear pretty white, so the problem is probably more genetic than environmental.
Chile and Argentina have large light-skinned populations. A lot of the elites have historically been Spanish, Italian, and German in terms of their ancestry. And you can't really downplay the impact of hundreds of years of systematic racial discrimination and rigid patriarchal hierarchies. A lot of the racial and ethnic issues in Latin America are more severe than those in the United States. We just don't have the same dedication in studying them because the reputation of Latin America is that it's a place where racial boundaries are more fluid, despite all evidence to the contrary.
by Salus Maior » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:24 pm
by Gorbehstan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:26 pm
by Communal concils » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:26 pm
Fahran wrote:Communal concils wrote:I think that I would like to have a debate with some reactionaries. I don't know, maybe a paleo-con, a Religious fundamentalist or even a Neo-Reactionary/ any member of the Alt right. Explain to me the time period that we should go back to, and why it's "Better" than my Neo-Marxist beliefs.
You'd need to define precisely what your Neo-Marxist beliefs are but my broad opposition to Marx stems from his problematic historiography, his emphasis on class as opposed to culture (something Gramsci and Gentile considered more thoroughly), his misappropriation of Hegelian dialectics (a prominent critique that more aptly applies to Marxists as opposed to Marx), and, lastly, the penchant of many of his followers for deconstructing institutions, traditions, and hierarchies without any sound basis.
by Genivaria » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:26 pm
Gorbehstan wrote:Fahran wrote:Chile and Argentina have large light-skinned populations. A lot of the elites have historically been Spanish, Italian, and German in terms of their ancestry. And you can't really downplay the impact of hundreds of years of systematic racial discrimination and rigid patriarchal hierarchies. A lot of the racial and ethnic issues in Latin America are more severe than those in the United States. We just don't have the same dedication in studying them because the reputation of Latin America is that it's a place where racial boundaries are more fluid, despite all evidence to the contrary.
What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.
by Fahran » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:26 pm
by Hanafuridake » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:26 pm
Gorbehstan wrote:Fahran wrote:Chile and Argentina have large light-skinned populations. A lot of the elites have historically been Spanish, Italian, and German in terms of their ancestry. And you can't really downplay the impact of hundreds of years of systematic racial discrimination and rigid patriarchal hierarchies. A lot of the racial and ethnic issues in Latin America are more severe than those in the United States. We just don't have the same dedication in studying them because the reputation of Latin America is that it's a place where racial boundaries are more fluid, despite all evidence to the contrary.
What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.
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by Fahran » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:27 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:Gorbehstan wrote:
What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.
Why do you think that white people are a homogeneous group?
by Gorbehstan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:29 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:Gorbehstan wrote:
What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.
Why do you think that white people are a homogeneous group?
by Gorbehstan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:30 pm
by Fahran » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:30 pm
Gorbehstan wrote:What you described is evidence that white people have been objectively superior to Sub-Saharan Africans and Native Americans in the past 500+ years. I see no evidence that such superiority is about to disappear any time soon.
by Gorbehstan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:31 pm
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