Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVIII: Hyena Central Command 憶ラ

[The East Marches II]

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Something beyond the alienation and nihilism of post modern consumerism.

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Careful, now. You don’t wish to summon Kowani to this thread, do you?

There is nothing to worry about. If you insult democracy, the cloak of nihilism falls off. He is no nihilist.

[The East Marches II]

If only it were as easy as pressing a keyboard button.

No, I'm not. I shitpost on Twitter between my accounts getting banned though.

The thing is we cannot go back to the 80s or late 50s/early 60s.
But we can create the future they imagined.
We can still have preppy clothes and women with big hair, but with nuclear powered flying cars and shit.

We traded space colonization for bringing democracy to cultures which can't handle it. Maybe we can get to that a few decades late. I can't imagine it would cost more than 8 trillion dollars to send a man to Mars :^)

[Novus America]

Careful, now. You don’t wish to summon Kowani to this thread, do you?

There is nothing to worry about. If you insult democracy, the cloak of nihilism falls off. He is no nihilist.

This is true though, he is a self proclaimed nihilist who loves to moralize.
I am more a nihilist than he is and I am not a nihilist.

But some people like labels they think are cool and edgy regardless of whether they actually fit at all.

[Novus America]

The thing is we cannot go back to the 80s or late 50s/early 60s.
But we can create the future they imagined.
We can still have preppy clothes and women with big hair, but with nuclear powered flying cars and shit.

We traded space colonization for bringing democracy to cultures which can't handle it. Maybe we can get to that a few decades late. I can't imagine it would cost more than 8 trillion dollars to send a man to Mars :^)

Literally flushing that money down the toilet would have been a better use TBF.
It was all stolen by corrupt official anyways.

But definitely we need to spend less money on subsidizing corrupt foreign governments and spend it on R&D instead.

If we did we would probably have nuclear power spaceships going to Mars by now.

[Xuloqoia]

We traded space colonization for bringing democracy to cultures which can't handle it. Maybe we can get to that a few decades late. I can't imagine it would cost more than 8 trillion dollars to send a man to Mars :^)

Literally flushing that money down the toilet would have been a better use TBF.
It was all stolen by corrupt official anyways.

But definitely we need to spend less money on subsidizing corrupt foreign governments and spend it on R&D instead.

If we did we would probably have nuclear power spaceships going to Mars by now.

This is proof that we really do live in a ｓｏｃｉｅｔｙ.

[Napkizemlja]

New poll is up. I'm study for finals and recently moved into a hotel for that AKA too lazy to come up with a poll myself so I jacked Xulo's idea for DnD alignment.

[Joohan]

Ah, yes, he contributed to climate change. Whoo.

I really would have preferred that he gone done a cleaner nuclear route, but this given path is at least beneficial to most Americans as well - in providing cheap gasoline to the average consumer. Overall, haven't been to stoked about his environmental stances

Hooray for objectively worse healthcare?

Sure buddy, that's why our healthcare system still sucks - not because the ACA in general is just riddled with problems or anything...

Citation needed.

citation provided - not my ideal solution, but a step in the right direction at least.

you realize the rate of opioid related deaths exploded under Trump.

It didn't explode under Trump, this rate of progression has been consistent since 2015 What I do know, is that since 2018, Trump has secured 8 billion dollars to be used by local communities in combating opioid addiction in their own areas, and has cracked down on the importation of fentynal and counterfeit pharmaceuticals from abroad. This is a long term course of action.

Right idea, wrong solution.

Oh yes, because the Chinese have always been so well known for their amiable negotiation skills...

[quoteYeah, his photo-ops were real hardline.[/quote] So was him scarring the Norks into those negotiations by moving thousands of troops and aircraft carriers all around the country. But I guess it's just convenient for you to leave that part out huh :^

Also not a good thing.

I'm in the military right now, and I can tell you that it very much so was a good thing. Prior to the budget increases, we were all still pretty much using the equipment we had lying around from Desert Shield - which was getting outdated pretty quickly. Today's army is smarter, more efficient, and safer because of the extra fund's we recieved

This is good because why?

A final affirmation of our support for Israel. I am not blind to all the shady stuff the Israeli's do, mind you, but between them and all their absolute wacko neighbors - I don't feel like we should be pretending to humor groups like Hamas and Fatah.

Look, more disasters towards a nonissue.

Disaster? Last I heard we were deporting a record number of illegal immigrants. That sound's like success to me. Illegal immigration = nonissue? Lol

The latter yes, the former no.

You are the cosmopolitan capitalist - there is nothing for the patriotic working man in the consumerist and apathetic liberal order.

[Jolthig]

We traded space colonization for bringing democracy to cultures which can't handle it. Maybe we can get to that a few decades late. I can't imagine it would cost more than 8 trillion dollars to send a man to Mars :^)

Literally flushing that money down the toilet would have been a better use TBF.
It was all stolen by corrupt official anyways.

But definitely we need to spend less money on subsidizing corrupt foreign governments and spend it on R&D instead.

If we did we would probably have nuclear power spaceships going to Mars by now.

We need a competitor to achieve this. When we went to the moon, we were competing with the USSR.

[New Visayan Islands]

Literally flushing that money down the toilet would have been a better use TBF.
It was all stolen by corrupt official anyways.

But definitely we need to spend less money on subsidizing corrupt foreign governments and spend it on R&D instead.

If we did we would probably have nuclear power spaceships going to Mars by now.

We need a competitor to achieve this. When we went to the moon, we were competing with the USSR.

Why not the PRC?

[Novus America]

Literally flushing that money down the toilet would have been a better use TBF.
It was all stolen by corrupt official anyways.

But definitely we need to spend less money on subsidizing corrupt foreign governments and spend it on R&D instead.

If we did we would probably have nuclear power spaceships going to Mars by now.

We need a competitor to achieve this. When we went to the moon, we were competing with the USSR.

This is very true. The massive amounts we invested in R&D in the 50s to their 80s was largely invested by NASA and the DoD. It was not even directly for a purely military purpose, but that produced ones. For example we saw the lack of STEM graduates, saw that is a problem for the military and NASA recruiting scientists and engineers, so poured tons of money into colleges to improve their STEM programs and recruit people into them.
And most the graduates never went into the military, so it had beneficial affects on the rest of society.

Or the military technology had other benefits. For example we developed GPS for the purpose of beating the Soviets in a war. GPS was only developed because we wanted to be the Soviets.

But of course after the Cold War ended we slashed STEM and R&D spending.
Because we did not need it to keep ahead of them any more.

This is why we actually NEED to embrace a new Cold War attitude.
The PRC government is pouring money into R&D, and we are not. Unless we see them as a credible threat we do not have the motivation to spend more on it than them.

[Novus America]

We need a competitor to achieve this. When we went to the moon, we were competing with the USSR.

Why not the PRC?

Why not indeed. Unfortunately we still have people saying “we should view the PRC as a partner not a competitor!” “We should not have a Cold War!”.

We need to wake up. The competition is there, but we are pretending it is not.

[Jolthig]

We need a competitor to achieve this. When we went to the moon, we were competing with the USSR.

This is very true. The massive amounts we invested in R&D in the 50s to their 80s was largely invested by NASA and the DoD. It was not even directly for a purely military purpose, but that produced ones. For example we saw the lack of STEM graduates, saw that is a problem for the military and NASA recruiting scientists and engineers, so poured tons of money into colleges to improve their STEM programs and recruit people into them.
And most the graduates never went into the military, so it had beneficial affects on the rest of society.

Or the military technology had other benefits. For example we developed GPS for the purpose of beating the Soviets in a war. GPS was only developed because we wanted to be the Soviets.

But of course after the Cold War ended we slashed STEM and R&D spending.
Because we did not need it to keep ahead of them any more.

This is why we actually NEED to embrace a new Cold War attitude.
The PRC government is pouring money into R&D, and we are not. Unless we see them as a credible threat we do not have the motivation to spend more on it than them.

Both Russia and PRC tbh. But that's the sad thing though, we need someone to compete with just so we can further modernize, but if that's what it takes then so be it. If anything, the internet we have now was a 1969 cold war project invented by us.

[Jolthig]

Why not the PRC?

Why not indeed. Unfortunately we still have people saying “we should view the PRC as a partner not a competitor!” “We should not have a Cold War!”.

We need to wake up. The competition is there, but we are pretending it is not.

They are pretty much our frenemy.

[Novus America]

This is very true. The massive amounts we invested in R&D in the 50s to their 80s was largely invested by NASA and the DoD. It was not even directly for a purely military purpose, but that produced ones. For example we saw the lack of STEM graduates, saw that is a problem for the military and NASA recruiting scientists and engineers, so poured tons of money into colleges to improve their STEM programs and recruit people into them.
And most the graduates never went into the military, so it had beneficial affects on the rest of society.

Or the military technology had other benefits. For example we developed GPS for the purpose of beating the Soviets in a war. GPS was only developed because we wanted to be the Soviets.

But of course after the Cold War ended we slashed STEM and R&D spending.
Because we did not need it to keep ahead of them any more.

This is why we actually NEED to embrace a new Cold War attitude.
The PRC government is pouring money into R&D, and we are not. Unless we see them as a credible threat we do not have the motivation to spend more on it than them.

Both Russia and PRC tbh. But that's the sad thing though, we need someone to compete with just so we can further modernize, but if that's what it takes then so be it. If anything, the internet we have now was a 1969 cold war project invented by us.

Well Russia is not a sufficient competitor. They are only a competitor in a few areas like hypersonic weapons. So while we should not forget about them in those few areas. They are not a competitor overall.

But the PRC is an overall competitor in all areas.

But yes, I agree. It is unfortunate but true. We run faster in a race against other people than by ourself. If we have no one to challenge us we tend to get lazy.
It is simply human nature.
Ideally we would still push ourselves even without it. But we do not.

Regardless of what we want, it is what we need.

Like you said the internet technology (networked computers) started with us wanting to coordinate air defense assets. To better detect and shoot down Soviet planes and missiles.
Though actually that was the 50s.

[Novus America]

Why not indeed. Unfortunately we still have people saying “we should view the PRC as a partner not a competitor!” “We should not have a Cold War!”.

We need to wake up. The competition is there, but we are pretending it is not.

They are pretty much our frenemy.

The problem is there is no “fr” part. They are not our friend in anyway or in any manner.

[Diopolis]

New poll is up. I'm study for finals and recently moved into a hotel for that AKA too lazy to come up with a poll myself so I jacked Xulo's idea for DnD alignment.

Is the poll question about the RWDT’s alignment or about your alignment in the RWDT?

[Novus America]

New poll is up. I'm study for finals and recently moved into a hotel for that AKA too lazy to come up with a poll myself so I jacked Xulo's idea for DnD alignment.

Is the poll question about the RWDT’s alignment or about your alignment in the RWDT?

Fair question. RWDT as a thread is obviously chaotic evil.

[Jolthig]

They are pretty much our frenemy.

The problem is there is no “fr” part. They are not our friend in anyway or in any manner.

To be fair, no powerful nation really is a true friend of the other... China doesn't surprise me, and the United States is no better. Though, I too wish we go back to our WWII and early Cold War policies, we definitely are as bad as China. Of course, it's true we have a weakness that China exploits in us.

[Novus America]

The problem is there is no “fr” part. They are not our friend in anyway or in any manner.

To be fair, no powerful nation really is a true friend of the other... China doesn't surprise me, and the United States is no better. Though, I too wish we go back to our WWII and early Cold War policies, we definitely are as bad as China. Of course, it's true we have a weakness that China exploits in us.

Oh sure we are not their friend either, although we have gone lighter on them then they have on us. But we should not pretend to be to be their friend. We are equally wrong and lying every time we said we are.

Sometimes it is not a purely moral decision. For example are the Steelers morally better than the Ravens? That is not the point. Baltimore wants the Ravens to win, their city to win. And Pittsburgh wants the Steelers, their city to win.

You still try your best to win in a competition regardless.

I would argue we are morally better on human rights and such despite our flaws, but that is not really relevant to whether or not we want to win.

[Totally Not OEP]

We need to revive the following Cold War-era projects:

- Project Pluto
- Rail Garrison
- Race Track
- Brilliant Pebbles
- Skybolt

[Novus America]

We need to revive the following Cold War-era projects:

- Project Pluto
- Rail Garrison
- Race Track
- Brilliant Pebbles
- Skybolt

Although Skybolt would be incredibly cheap and easy to finish.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(rocket)

Just stick a W87 warhead on a Pegasus rocket (a B-52 can already carry an launch it). Just do that and Skybolt is finished.

Also we should revive this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-134_Midgetman

[Diopolis]

We need to revive the following Cold War-era projects:

- Project Pluto
- Rail Garrison
- Race Track
- Brilliant Pebbles
- Skybolt

That’s a funny way to say project Orion.

[Totally Not OEP]

We need to revive the following Cold War-era projects:

- Project Pluto
- Rail Garrison
- Race Track
- Brilliant Pebbles
- Skybolt

Although Skybolt would be incredibly cheap and easy to finish.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(rocket)

Just stick a W87 warhead on a Pegasus rocket (a B-52 can already carry an launch it). Just do that and Skybolt is finished.

Also we should revive this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-134_Midgetman

Skybolt-like weapons are crucial for keeping bombers relevant as a part of the Triad in the modern era.

[Novus America]

Although Skybolt would be incredibly cheap and easy to finish.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(rocket)

Just stick a W87 warhead on a Pegasus rocket (a B-52 can already carry an launch it). Just do that and Skybolt is finished.

Also we should revive this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-134_Midgetman

Skybolt-like weapons are crucial for keeping bombers relevant as a part of the Triad in the modern era.

Definitely bombers like the B-52 need long range stand off weapons to remain relevant in light of modern air defense systems.

The B-52 can already carry two Pegasus rockets, one under each wing.
With a new long range stand off cruise missile to carry internally it could launch a simultaneous high/low attack to overwhelm air defenses from a few thousand miles out.

[Totally Not OEP]

Skybolt-like weapons are crucial for keeping bombers relevant as a part of the Triad in the modern era.

Definitely bombers like the B-52 need long range stand off weapons to remain relevant in light of modern air defense systems.

The B-52 can already carry two Pegasus rockets, one under each wing.
With a new long range stand off cruise missile to carry internally it could launch a simultaneous high/low attack to overwhelm air defenses from a few thousand miles out.

Yeap, entirely the strategic thinking behind it. B-52s could launch missiles from the Canadian Arctic, far away from Russian or Chinese air defenses, effectively hitting them with impunity.