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After trial and conviction, what should be done with serial sexual abusers?

1. Death penalty
56
42%
2. Life in prison but in gen pop
31
23%
3. 7 Day ban for choosing any of the two above
21
16%
4. Life in prison but in protective custody
24
18%
 
Total votes : 132

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Xuloqoia
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Postby Xuloqoia » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:04 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Let us have triumphs instead!

Give me a rainbow stormtrooper uniform and a glittery tank to ride on! I'm down :p


You're a soldier; you get the same dress uniform as everyone else who serves. So probably something greyish and cut in a conservative manner, at least if I have my way with things. Glitter is not acceptable; my apologies if that troubles you.

Fahran wrote:
Xuloqoia wrote:I mean, at least you have an ideology that falls within the Overton Window in most cases. For goodness sake, at least your ideology has a name (traditionalist conservatism). The closest we've got to mine was when you mentioned a "secular theocracy" a while back, if you can recall that.

Carl Schmitt might well call it that since it is solidly ideological. That said, it probably has closer parallels in Eastern Thought in all honesty. Hana, help make my Orientalism less bad.

:p


I do have a fondness for some aspects of Mohist thought, I must say. But I'm hesitant to adopt such a label since it isn't part of the Western philosophical tradition to which I largely belong.
American civic nationalist with Saint-Simonian and Mohist characteristics, I guess...

Hanafuridake wrote:
Edict of Emperor Swag of Mohist Thought upon ascending the throne wrote:"Previously our subjects cherished selfish and egoistic thought and had no concern for the greater good. The world has thus become disordered and living beings lived in a state of animalistic hostility to each other. But now Heaven has granted us the throne and we shall restore the Proper Way of the Collective Harmony. Huá and Yí will live in peace, yin and yang shall interpenetrate, the exemplary behavior of Yao and Shun will be followed by all."

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Xuloqoia
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Postby Xuloqoia » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:05 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Xuloqoia wrote:I mean, at least you have an ideology that falls within the Overton Window in most cases.

is this somehow in itself good


Not good, but nevertheless convenient when trying to explain one's views in a concise fashion.
American civic nationalist with Saint-Simonian and Mohist characteristics, I guess...

Hanafuridake wrote:
Edict of Emperor Swag of Mohist Thought upon ascending the throne wrote:"Previously our subjects cherished selfish and egoistic thought and had no concern for the greater good. The world has thus become disordered and living beings lived in a state of animalistic hostility to each other. But now Heaven has granted us the throne and we shall restore the Proper Way of the Collective Harmony. Huá and Yí will live in peace, yin and yang shall interpenetrate, the exemplary behavior of Yao and Shun will be followed by all."

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Travis Bickle
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Postby Travis Bickle » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:05 pm

Senkaku wrote:So what's your approach, then? Let's say you're going about ending American democracy and transitioning to a single-party state: how does one go about doing it?

American democracy is dead and it wasn't killed by fascists.
"Listen you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is someone who stood up."

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:06 pm

Travis Bickle wrote:
Senkaku wrote:So what's your approach, then? Let's say you're going about ending American democracy and transitioning to a single-party state: how does one go about doing it?

American democracy is dead and it wasn't killed by fascists.

Yeah, capitalism did that.
Spanish Atheist.
If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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Travis Bickle
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Postby Travis Bickle » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:07 pm

Kowani wrote:Yeah, capitalism did that.

Among other things.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:08 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Fahran wrote:People seem to freak out when I begin talking about how family, nation, and religion are important, but I suppose most of those people are atheistic globalists who often have somewhat negative relationships with close relations, so...

I think it's more that a lot of people use talking about the importance of family, nation, and faith as coded segues into much more extreme positions, so when some people hear that sort of content a red flag goes up, rather than them just being lonely, godless drifters...?

When I mention single parent households having a lot of negative social consequences relative to two-parent households, the reactions are pretty vehement, even though I do not believe that particular argument is especially contentious. Some of my positions are a touch radical compared to more milquetoast neocons, but, really, the difference is that I'm critical of neoliberalism and foreign adventures and am willing to actually defend social institutions when push comes to shove.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:08 pm

Senkaku wrote:So what's your approach, then? Let's say you're going about ending American democracy and transitioning to a single-party state: how does one go about doing it?


That's dependent entirely on how we reached said situation tbh

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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:09 pm

Xuloqoia wrote:I do have a fondness for some aspects of Mohist thought, I must say. But I'm hesitant to adopt such a label since it isn't part of the Western philosophical tradition to which I largely belong.

That hasn't stopped a lot of philosophers honestly.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:10 pm

Travis Bickle wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah, capitalism did that.

Among other things.

Oh, great, here come the boogeymen.
Spanish Atheist.
If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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Xuloqoia
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Postby Xuloqoia » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:13 pm

Fahran wrote:
Xuloqoia wrote:I do have a fondness for some aspects of Mohist thought, I must say. But I'm hesitant to adopt such a label since it isn't part of the Western philosophical tradition to which I largely belong.

That hasn't stopped a lot of philosophers honestly.


That doesn't make it in particularly good taste, especially when such philosophies are frequently erroneously divorced from context and such. I believe Hana posted a paper regarding this earlier in the thread, albeit the paper was covering Daoism in particular.
American civic nationalist with Saint-Simonian and Mohist characteristics, I guess...

Hanafuridake wrote:
Edict of Emperor Swag of Mohist Thought upon ascending the throne wrote:"Previously our subjects cherished selfish and egoistic thought and had no concern for the greater good. The world has thus become disordered and living beings lived in a state of animalistic hostility to each other. But now Heaven has granted us the throne and we shall restore the Proper Way of the Collective Harmony. Huá and Yí will live in peace, yin and yang shall interpenetrate, the exemplary behavior of Yao and Shun will be followed by all."

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:13 pm

Travis Bickle wrote:
Senkaku wrote:So what's your approach, then? Let's say you're going about ending American democracy and transitioning to a single-party state: how does one go about doing it?

American democracy is dead and it wasn't killed by fascists.


I guess you are right. After all, it isn't really accurate to conflate Trumpism with an entirely different ideology that originated in Italy nearly a century ago with quite different policies and beliefs.
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Isles of Metanoia
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Postby Isles of Metanoia » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:13 pm

Kowani, what do you think of the upcoming 500th anniversary of the First Circumnavigation of the world this 2021? La Iglesia Catolica en Filipinas con celebrar de 500th Siglo.

Basically the Philippines will also celebrate its 500th Anniversary of Christianization too. It's very important since its the beginning of true globalization.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:14 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Travis Bickle wrote:American democracy is dead and it wasn't killed by fascists.


I guess you are right. After all, it isn't really accurate to conflate Trumpism with an entirely different ideology that originated in Italy nearly a century ago with quite different policies and beliefs.


American democracy died before Trump took office.

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Travis Bickle
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Postby Travis Bickle » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:14 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:I guess you are right. After all, it isn't really accurate to conflate Trumpism with an entirely different ideology that originated in Italy nearly a century ago with quite different policies and beliefs.

Trump is a symptom, not the cause.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:17 pm

Xuloqoia wrote:
Fahran wrote:That hasn't stopped a lot of philosophers honestly.


That doesn't make it in particularly good taste, especially when such philosophies are frequently erroneously divorced from context and such. I believe Hana posted a paper regarding this earlier in the thread, albeit the paper was covering Daoism in particular.

She usually has a point with those criticisms in all frankness.
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:17 pm

Edict of Emperor Swag of Mohist Thought upon ascending the throne wrote:"Previously our subjects cherished selfish and egoistic thought and had no concern for the greater good. The world has thus become disordered and living beings lived in a state of animalistic hostility to each other. But now Heaven has granted us the throne and we shall restore the Proper Way of the Collective Harmony. Huá and Yí will live in peace, yin and yang shall interpenetrate, the exemplary behavior of Yao and Shun will be followed by all."
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:18 pm

Travis Bickle wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:I guess you are right. After all, it isn't really accurate to conflate Trumpism with an entirely different ideology that originated in Italy nearly a century ago with quite different policies and beliefs.

Trump is a symptom, not the cause.

America has been sick for awhile. The illness is simply becoming more severe.
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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
I guess you are right. After all, it isn't really accurate to conflate Trumpism with an entirely different ideology that originated in Italy nearly a century ago with quite different policies and beliefs.


American democracy died before Trump took office.


I mean, if you want to be really technical, we are a representative republic, not a democracy. But anyway, I am not really sure what you mean. Do you think the US in the distant past was more democratic than say the US in the Obama era?
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:19 pm

Travis Bickle wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:This is why the LGB Drop the T movement is growing. Because we see Trans issues as separate from our own and they will drag us back.

They're all sodomites, except lesbians and trans-men. You're already in the gutter, can't be dragged further back than that.

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Xuloqoia
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Postby Xuloqoia » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:20 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Edict of Emperor Swag of Mohist Thought upon ascending the throne wrote:"Previously our subjects cherished selfish and egoistic thought and had no concern for the greater good. The world has thus become disordered and living beings lived in a state of animalistic hostility to each other. But now Heaven has granted us the throne and we shall restore the Proper Way of the Collective Harmony. Huá and Yí will live in peace, yin and yang shall interpenetrate, the exemplary behavior of Yao and Shun will be followed by all."


For the most part, this is largely correct. I would phrase it slightly differently, but it gets the overall points across reasonably well. Do you mind if I add it to my signature?
American civic nationalist with Saint-Simonian and Mohist characteristics, I guess...

Hanafuridake wrote:
Edict of Emperor Swag of Mohist Thought upon ascending the throne wrote:"Previously our subjects cherished selfish and egoistic thought and had no concern for the greater good. The world has thus become disordered and living beings lived in a state of animalistic hostility to each other. But now Heaven has granted us the throne and we shall restore the Proper Way of the Collective Harmony. Huá and Yí will live in peace, yin and yang shall interpenetrate, the exemplary behavior of Yao and Shun will be followed by all."

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:21 pm

Isles of Metanoia wrote:Kowani, what do you think of the upcoming 500th anniversary of the First Circumnavigation of the world this 2021?
I don’t really care, being honest. Whoo, science? Except it was militaristic science, which I profoundly dislike.
La Iglesia Catolica en Filipinas con celebrar de 500th Siglo.
*Se celebrará su quinientos.
Basically the Philippines will also celebrate its 500th Anniversary of Christianization too. It's very important since its the beginning of true globalization.

Okay, globalization really starts with the mongols.
Spanish Atheist.
If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:21 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
American democracy died before Trump took office.


I mean, if you want to be really technical, we are a representative republic, not a democracy.
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But anyway, I am not really sure what you mean. Do you think the US in the distant past was more democratic than say the US in the Obama era?

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Spanish Atheist.
If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:22 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
American democracy died before Trump took office.


I mean, if you want to be really technical, we are a representative republic, not a democracy. But anyway, I am not really sure what you mean. Do you think the US in the distant past was more democratic than say the US in the Obama era?


Absolutely. The modern US is an oligarchic police state.

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Isles of Metanoia
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Postby Isles of Metanoia » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:22 pm

Oooh Philosophy! I took that as my College Degree.

But as for languages I only some basic Latin, Spanish, fluent English and Filipino. But my God. Filipino is like the Rosseta Stone of Languages. Everything From Nauhatle to Farsi has words circulating in it.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Senkaku wrote:So what's your approach, then? Let's say you're going about ending American democracy and transitioning to a single-party state: how does one go about doing it?


That's dependent entirely on how we reached said situation tbh

Just gonna not bother w the whole "when did American democracy die" thing bc it's irrelevant to my question- how would you go about overturning the current two-party political order and its various support buttresses (whether people want to call it a real democracy or not)? Let's say your startpoint is the 2020 election: what would the strategy be, and how do you think it would play out (maybe a best-case and a worst-case)?

I'm not trying to be like "YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW HA SO THEREFORE ITS DUMB", just wanna know what your ideas on the approach would be.
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