Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVIII: Hyena Central Command 憶ラ

[Totally Not OEP]

ok
so what is this fanfic about again

Take it as a warning as to who is getting elected in the Western World and what the impact of being weak on defense can mean. More specifically, it's also a call to action that we need to begin spending the funds necessary to rebuild our nuclear deterrent and expand it, coupled with ABM defenses. The Democrats, for example, have completely prevented the Trump Administration from expanding the ABM program based out of Fort Greeley.

[Bienenhalde]

I understand that it is important for countries to have reasonably good defense capabilities to keep themselves safe from foreign aggression. However, OEP seems to think that brute force through high-tech weapons and troop numbers is the sole determiner of who wins wars. He forgets the importance of values and ideals. An army will be far less effective if they are little more than mercenaries who have no reason to fight but their paychecks.

[Nakena]

I understand that it is important for countries to have reasonably good defense capabilities to keep themselves safe from foreign aggression. However, OEP seems to think that brute force through high-tech weapons and troop numbers is the sole determiner of who wins wars. He forgets the importance of values and ideals. An army will be far less effective if they are little more than mercenaries who have no reason to fight but their paychecks.

Values and ideals will be of little importance in the event of actual Global Thermonuclear War.

[Totally Not OEP]

I understand that it is important for countries to have reasonably good defense capabilities to keep themselves safe from foreign aggression. However, OEP seems to think that brute force through high-tech weapons and troop numbers is the sole determiner of who wins wars. He forgets the importance of values and ideals. An army will be far less effective if they are little more than mercenaries who have no reason to fight but their paychecks.

Values and ideals will be of little importance in the event of actual Global Thermonuclear War.

It's like when the Boxers thought they were immune to bullets on the basis of their beliefs.

[Hanafuridake]

Values and ideals will be of little importance in the event of actual Global Thermonuclear War.

It's like when the Boxers thought they were immune to bullets on the basis of their beliefs.

I'm half asleep right now and read that as “Boomers.”

[Sovaal]

I understand that it is important for countries to have reasonably good defense capabilities to keep themselves safe from foreign aggression. However, OEP seems to think that brute force through high-tech weapons and troop numbers is the sole determiner of who wins wars. He forgets the importance of values and ideals. An army will be far less effective if they are little more than mercenaries who have no reason to fight but their paychecks.

I mean that's nice and all but at the end of the day not even the most fanatical Nazis or Imperial Japanese could survive the unstoppable forces of the Allied and Soviet militaries.

[Totally Not OEP]

It's like when the Boxers thought they were immune to bullets on the basis of their beliefs.

I'm half asleep right now and read that as “Boomers.”

Given the proclivities of that generation, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Bienenhalde]

I understand that it is important for countries to have reasonably good defense capabilities to keep themselves safe from foreign aggression. However, OEP seems to think that brute force through high-tech weapons and troop numbers is the sole determiner of who wins wars. He forgets the importance of values and ideals. An army will be far less effective if they are little more than mercenaries who have no reason to fight but their paychecks.

I mean that's nice and all but at the end of the day not even the most fanatical Nazis or Imperial Japanese could survive the unstoppable forces of the Allied and Soviet militaries.

Yes, but the Allies were dedicating to fighting for freedom and the Soviets for Communism. The Axis were not the only people with ideals.

[Sovaal]

I mean that's nice and all but at the end of the day not even the most fanatical Nazis or Imperial Japanese could survive the unstoppable forces of the Allied and Soviet militaries.

Yes, but the Allies were dedicating to fighting for freedom and the Soviets for Communism. The Axis were not the only people with ideals.

Yes, and ideology is important, but its nothing if you don't have the material to back it up.

[Hanafuridake]

Values and ideals will be of little importance in the event of actual Global Thermonuclear War.

It's like when the Boxers thought they were immune to bullets on the basis of their beliefs.

Actually it reminds me more of how the IJA deliberately sabotaged its own production and technology because they believed it would harm the self-reliance and toughness of soldiers on the battlefield.

[Bienenhalde]

Values and ideals will be of little importance in the event of actual Global Thermonuclear War.

You may be right, but if that were true, such an event would truly represent the nadir of modern materialism and degeneracy.

[Totally Not OEP]

I mean that's nice and all but at the end of the day not even the most fanatical Nazis or Imperial Japanese could survive the unstoppable forces of the Allied and Soviet militaries.

Yes, but the Allies were dedicating to fighting for freedom and the Soviets for Communism. The Axis were not the only people with ideals.

That contradicts your point either way.

[Hanafuridake]

As much as I dislike atheism, complaining about materialism makes me want to argue for it out of contrarianism because it's such a vague term that can mean practically whatever you want it to.

[Bienenhalde]

As much as I dislike atheism, complaining about materialism makes me want to argue for it out of contrarianism because it's such a vague term that can mean practically whatever you want it to.

Whereas atheism implies disbelief in the existence of God in particular, materialism would be more extensive in terms of denying the existence of anything other than matter. Of course, a materialist has to acknowledge on some level that at least abstract ideas exist, but many would still try to downplay or minimize their significance.

[Sovaal]

Values and ideals will be of little importance in the event of actual Global Thermonuclear War.

You may be right, but if that were true, such an event would truly represent the nadir of modern materialism and degeneracy.

Well it'd be the low point of human civilization in general, probably comparable to the Bronze Age collapse.

[Hanafuridake]

As much as I dislike atheism, complaining about materialism makes me want to argue for it out of contrarianism because it's such a vague term that can mean practically whatever you want it to.

Whereas atheism implies disbelief in the existence of God in particular, materialism would be more extensive in terms of denying the existence of anything other than matter. Of course, a materialist has to acknowledge on some level that at least abstract ideas exist, but many would still try to downplay or minimize their significance.

Nominalism is a common philosophical view among both religious and atheistic people.

[Totally Not OEP]

Recently learned that Japan's war aims in the Soviet Far East were virtually the same as Generalplan Ost.

[Kowani]

As much as I dislike atheism, complaining about materialism makes me want to argue for it out of contrarianism because it's such a vague term that can mean practically whatever you want it to.

Whereas atheism implies disbelief in the existence of God in particular, materialism would be more extensive in terms of denying the existence of anything other than matter. Of course, a materialist has to acknowledge on some level that at least abstract ideas exist, but many would still try to downplay or minimize their significance.

I ran, values mean jack shit compared to bullets.

[Duhon]

ok
so what is this fanfic about again

Take it as a warning as to who is getting elected in the Western World and what the impact of being weak on defense can mean. More specifically, it's also a call to action that we need to begin spending the funds necessary to rebuild our nuclear deterrent and expand it, coupled with ABM defenses. The Democrats, for example, have completely prevented the Trump Administration from expanding the ABM program based out of Fort Greeley.

cool story oep
except that capacity is not inclination

[Totally Not OEP]

Take it as a warning as to who is getting elected in the Western World and what the impact of being weak on defense can mean. More specifically, it's also a call to action that we need to begin spending the funds necessary to rebuild our nuclear deterrent and expand it, coupled with ABM defenses. The Democrats, for example, have completely prevented the Trump Administration from expanding the ABM program based out of Fort Greeley.

cool story oep
except that capacity is not inclination

That's not really any sort of argument against it, however.

[Duhon]

a hierarchical society in a state of profound ruin that spends most of what little it has on the science of killing people
hmmm
they exist even now

North Korea isn't exactly an example of a successful, prominent nation.

but it exists, therefore it is a success
the sort of success today's rising scheming authoritarians can learn from
destroy the world to the power to destroy what remains, unchecked

[Duhon]

cool story oep
except that capacity is not inclination

That's not really any sort of argument against it, however.

oh i'm not arguing, i'm simply saying russia won't do it
putin is many fucking things, but he's not barking mad

[Bear Stearns]

As the funny Chris Rock once said, when I'm at the ATM at night, I'm not looking over my shoulder for the media...

[Kowani]

As the funny Chris Rock once said, when I'm at the ATM at night, I'm not looking over my shoulder for the media...

Do you have anything besides racism?

[Bear Stearns]

As the funny Chris Rock once said, when I'm at the ATM at night, I'm not looking over my shoulder for the media...

Do you have anything besides racism?

Where have I said anything untrue? :^)