Eldtritch Abominations: Could we be in danger?

[New haven america]

How do you know there are no eldritch abominations in the universe?

Also, they don't have to be from this universe to affect it.

How do you know there aren't farting Unicorns in this universe?

And bullshit on the multiverse theory, that could be used to justify any myth. Including Deities, Aliens, etc.

I don't, which is why I haven't ruled their existence out yet.

Yes, that is true, no one has said otherwise.

[Rojava Free State]

OP, stop reading scary stories

There are no monsters under the bed, just like there are no Eldritch Abominations in this universe

On that note, I am gonna bet 40 Rial that there will be some guy posting Zalgo text within 5 pages (despite it being illegal, ya doof)

How do you know there are no eldritch abominations in the universe?

Also, they don't have to be from this universe to affect it.

Yeah that's another thing in cosmic horror too. Interdimensional monsters

[Rojava Free State]

To ants, humans are eldritch abominations.

But nah, considering most people in the developed world want to die already, I'm pretty sure the general reaction would range from "Meh, I hope this doesn't mess up my work schedule" to "Oh thank fuck, finally!"

What twisted place in the West do you live in?

Probably America

[New haven america]

What does fascinate me about subjects like these is that humans always think up of such things as something terrible , bad and evil. It begs the question whether it reveals more about us than any other lifeform.

If there were such a creature out there, I'd prefer to think of it as something good, or at least, not an abomination. I'd prefer to see it as a creature whose knowledge and curiosity are never sated, who studies planets from afar but never interferes or destroys. I'd prefer to see it as something that has seen so much empty space in the universe that it values life beyond anything and would never seek to destroy it or harm it. But study its enigma instead.

That's because humans are egotistical and like to think that everything works like it does on Earth.

In this case they're using the example of colonialism in the Americas as the basis of things like alien invasions or conquests. (HP Lovecraft was a ginormous racist and viewed interracial breeding as the ultimate evil, and it shows in his works)

[Rojava Free State]

As a pretty ardent atheist, I don't really concern myself with religious dogma or beliefs. I tend to view the major monotheistic religions of the world as tyrannical and oppressive and think the morality of their God is deeply flawed and horrific. I have more of a soft spot for eastern religions such as buddhism, but overall it's pretty clear I'm no fan of religion. While I and my closest friend all but discount the existence of the biblical God, one thing we have debated time and time again is the possibility of there being a god-like entity out there somewhere in the universe. However, this being would likely be nothing like our conception of "god," in the sense of wouldn't be omnipresent or the creator of reality itself, but compared to puny mankind, it would be of a divine nature. It's power could destroy an entire world in seconds. It's very presence could drive a person insane. Behold, the concept of the eldtritch abomination, developed by cosmic horror writers such as Hp Lovecraft.

The question is, could such a being exist? Might there be a creature out there in the universe that is so utterly powerful and downright horrifying, it might bring about the apocalypse simply due to its discovery alone? How would your life change upon realizing that such an all powerful creature was out there? Do you ever even for a moment worry about such a thing happening? I don't worry myself all that much over it, but I don't discount that a powerful life form could exist out there in space and that if we discovered it,or it discovered us, it could bring about the end of our society. Let me know your thoughts below.

Depends. You mean like space monsters/kraken within the physical, observable universe or something more "meta" that exists in a different "dimension" (or something like that) and we might have visions of etc?

I'm talking about something akin to cthulu

[Dooom35796821595]

There are all manner of terrifying natural phenomena that could destroy our planet, from gamma ray bursts to black holes and even ones that threaten to unravel spacetime itself. But we’re not concerned about them, so I don’t give Eldritch abominations any more concern then those other potentially world shattering events.

[Kasa Tkoth Sphere]

How do you know there are no eldritch abominations in the universe?

Also, they don't have to be from this universe to affect it.

Yeah that's another thing in cosmic horror too. Interdimensional monsters

A fun consequence of assuming that every possibility is in some other universe and that things can cross between universes is that arguably we should be experiencing everything at once happening to us as an infinite number of extrauniversal forces play tug-of-war.

So does that mean that our reality is just the vector sum of these infinitely many possible gods and monsters?

I think "the multiverse does not exist" and "the multiverse does not allow interuniversal travel" are more straightforward hypotheses.

[Rojava Free State]

As a pretty ardent atheist, I don't really concern myself with religious dogma or beliefs. I tend to view the major monotheistic religions of the world as tyrannical and oppressive and think the morality of their God is deeply flawed and horrific. I have more of a soft spot for eastern religions such as buddhism, but overall it's pretty clear I'm no fan of religion. While I and my closest friend all but discount the existence of the biblical God, one thing we have debated time and time again is the possibility of there being a god-like entity out there somewhere in the universe. However, this being would likely be nothing like our conception of "god," in the sense of wouldn't be omnipresent or the creator of reality itself, but compared to puny mankind, it would be of a divine nature. It's power could destroy an entire world in seconds. It's very presence could drive a person insane. Behold, the concept of the eldtritch abomination, developed by cosmic horror writers such as Hp Lovecraft.

The question is, could such a being exist? Might there be a creature out there in the universe that is so utterly powerful and downright horrifying, it might bring about the apocalypse simply due to its discovery alone? How would your life change upon realizing that such an all powerful creature was out there? Do you ever even for a moment worry about such a thing happening? I don't worry myself all that much over it, but I don't discount that a powerful life form could exist out there in space and that if we discovered it,or it discovered us, it could bring about the end of our society. Let me know your thoughts below.

You seem to reject the idea of a god or pantheon simply to make a political statement, considering you are open to the possibility of an Eldtritch Abomination

An eldtrich abomination wouldn't be a god though in my eyes either. I doubt that an all knowing all powerful God exists, and I don't live in fear of cthulu killing us all either. I just think it may be possible that there's some really powerful alien being out there that some people might view as a god

[Daarwyrth]

What does fascinate me about subjects like these is that humans always think up of such things as something terrible , bad and evil. It begs the question whether it reveals more about us than any other lifeform.

If there were such a creature out there, I'd prefer to think of it as something good, or at least, not an abomination. I'd prefer to see it as a creature whose knowledge and curiosity are never sated, who studies planets from afar but never interferes or destroys. I'd prefer to see it as something that has seen so much empty space in the universe that it values life beyond anything and would never seek to destroy it or harm it. But study its enigma instead.

Well, we do tend to treat lesser lifeforms rather horribly. From not caring about the tiny creatures in the ocean to consuming the cow. We slap mosquitos with no remorse and do not care if the grass weeps when you mow it.

Why would something vastly above us act differently ?

Because that's what we humans do. But why would a creature or entity that evolved or came to be somewhere else, somewhere entirely unrelated to the conditions in which humans evolved, act, think or do the same way our species would? We are projecting our own human nature onto the idea of such lifeforms, because it's all we know. And because humans tend to drift towards cruelty and egotism, we assume any other lifeform would be the same. But that is yet again a manifestation of humanity's egotism, because we think we're the template for all other lifeforms out there. And this is where we are wrong.

[Nakena]

Depends. You mean like space monsters/kraken within the physical, observable universe or something more "meta" that exists in a different "dimension" (or something like that) and we might have visions of etc?

I'm talking about something akin to cthulu

Unlikely. And theres a number of reasons why. If anything like that existed here on Earth, in the past, it would left evidence. Archeological and otherwise. We would likely know much if not everything about it. So conclusion it doesnt exists here.

In space, on other worlds, around other stars? Who knows.

[New haven america]

That's because humans are egotistical and like to think that everything works like it does on Earth.

In this case they're using the example of colonialism in the Americas as the basis of things like alien invasions or conquests.

not that your continual stereotypical misanthropy isn't interesting but i think you've drifted a bit from the topic.

If you knew anything about people like Lovecraft, then you'd know what I'm talking about.

But you seemingly don't, so your post is doing nothing and likewise not providing any interesting or unique insight to the conversation at hand.

[Kowani]

So, there’s two points of formal logic. The first, is that the burden of prof is on the positive claim, negatives being unprovable. The second, is that in the lack of proof, you default to the negative. It’s why we don’t believe in unicorns.

Speak for yourself my friend. I happen to fervently believe in Unicorns

All jokes aside, it's best to keep an open mind. Even if something seems unlikely to exist, remain open to the possibility that you may be wrong. Rules of formal logic are all nice and good, but let's not have rules of this or that dictate our lives all the time. Besides, even the rules of formal logic can we wrong. After all, they were thought up by a human and humans, like all other living beings, are flawed.

The rules of logic were not thought of by humans, they were enunciated by humans. The two are not the same thing. Beyond that, there’s a difference between keeping an open mind and believing in unsubstantiated nonsense.

[Rojava Free State]

I'm talking about something akin to cthulu

Unlikely. And theres a number of reasons why. If anything like that existed here on Earth, in the past, it would left evidence. Archeological and otherwise. We would likely know much if not everything about it. So conclusion it doesnt exists here.

In space, on other worlds, around other stars? Who knows.

I'm not saying cthulu itself exists because it doesnt. I'm saying maybe out there in space, there's some really big powerful alien that we haven't discovered yet but we may be only a day away from uncovering its existence via the Hubble telescope or SETI or something like that. Is it likely we will tomorrow? no. It's just a fun thought exercise on the massive size and unknown regions of space

[Rojava Free State]

not that your continual stereotypical misanthropy isn't interesting but i think you've drifted a bit from the topic.

If you knew anything about people like Lovecraft, then you'd know what I'm talking about.

But you seemingly don't, so your post is doing nothing and likewise not providing any interesting or unique insight to the conversation at hand.

I've never liked when people turn lovecraftian horror into "good guys vs bad guys." It's hard to put into words how that makes me feel, but maybe this music piece will give you an idea of how offputting that is: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAT5rNkmGWg

[Daarwyrth]

Speak for yourself my friend. I happen to fervently believe in Unicorns

All jokes aside, it's best to keep an open mind. Even if something seems unlikely to exist, remain open to the possibility that you may be wrong. Rules of formal logic are all nice and good, but let's not have rules of this or that dictate our lives all the time. Besides, even the rules of formal logic can we wrong. After all, they were thought up by a human and humans, like all other living beings, are flawed.

The rules of logic were not thought of by humans, they were enunciated by humans. The two are not the same thing. Beyond that, there’s a difference between keeping an open mind and believing in unsubstantiated nonsense.

Every single concept we know of is thought up by humans. A dog is a dog because a human created that concept. We tend to stick the label "pet" to it or "friend", but a different lifeform that evolved under completely different circumstances might perceive a dog as cattle, food or something alien to us. In those same lines, what may seem rules of formal logic to humans may be complete gibberish to another intelligent lifeform. It's all subjective and it's good to keep that in mind. Because dealing in absolutes is folly.

[Rojava Free State]

The rules of logic were not thought of by humans, they were enunciated by humans. The two are not the same thing. Beyond that, there’s a difference between keeping an open mind and believing in unsubstantiated nonsense.

Every single concept we know of is thought up by humans. A dog is a dog because a human created that concept. We tend to stick the label "pet" to it or "friend", but a different lifeform that evolved under completely different circumstances might perceive a dog as cattle, food or something alien to us. In those same lines, what may seem rules of formal logic to humans may be complete gibberish to another intelligent lifeform. It's all subjective and it's good to keep that in mind. Because dealing in absolutes is folly.

While I don't think unicorns are a thing, giant monsters might be considering the vastness of space and our definition of what a monster is

[Daarwyrth]

Every single concept we know of is thought up by humans. A dog is a dog because a human created that concept. We tend to stick the label "pet" to it or "friend", but a different lifeform that evolved under completely different circumstances might perceive a dog as cattle, food or something alien to us. In those same lines, what may seem rules of formal logic to humans may be complete gibberish to another intelligent lifeform. It's all subjective and it's good to keep that in mind. Because dealing in absolutes is folly.

While I don't think unicorns are a thing, giant monsters might be considering the vastness of space and our definition of what a monster is

But who is to say it has to be a monster out there? Why couldn't it be an enigmatic but good-natured entity? There's nothing to suggest it would be evil or an abomination, that's just humanity's cruel nature projecting onto things it doesn't know.

[Rojava Free State]

While I don't think unicorns are a thing, giant monsters might be considering the vastness of space and our definition of what a monster is

But who is to say it has to be a monster out there? Why couldn't it be an enigmatic but good-natured entity? There's nothing to suggest it would be evil or an abomination, that's just humanity's cruel nature projecting onto things it doesn't know.

If eldritch abominations were actually real, most likely such a being wouldn't even notice us due to the size discrepancy between this giant floating planet sized tentacled mass and puny people. We meanwhile would probably have a worldwide panic attack. The whole idea of cosmic horror is that the big scary monsters aren't evil, they just don't care that their actions may cause harm and we meanwhile can't even bare their existence and lose it

[Daarwyrth]

But who is to say it has to be a monster out there? Why couldn't it be an enigmatic but good-natured entity? There's nothing to suggest it would be evil or an abomination, that's just humanity's cruel nature projecting onto things it doesn't know.

If eldritch abominations were actually real, most likely such a being wouldn't even notice us due to the size discrepancy between this giant floating planet sized tentacled mass and puny people. We meanwhile would probably have a worldwide panic attack

Why would it be tentacled? Why couldn't it be a mass of good-natured pure energy? I don't see why it would have to be some Lovecraftian horror monster. Why couldn't it be something beautiful, serene and good?

[New haven america]

If you knew anything about people like Lovecraft, then you'd know what I'm talking about.

But you seemingly don't, so your post is doing nothing and likewise not providing any interesting or unique insight to the conversation at hand.

I've never liked when people turn lovecraftian horror into "good guys vs bad guys." It's hard to put into words how that makes me feel, but maybe this music piece will give you an idea of how offputting that is: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAT5rNkmGWg

That's because it's surprisingly pretty difficult to make a movie or TV series without some type of villain or antagonistic force.

It can be done, but it has to be doe by someone who's actually really good at writing, and most Hollywood or NYC writers are decent at best.

[Kowani]

The rules of logic were not thought of by humans, they were enunciated by humans. The two are not the same thing. Beyond that, there’s a difference between keeping an open mind and believing in unsubstantiated nonsense.

Every single concept we know of is thought up by humans. A dog is a dog because a human created that concept. We tend to stick the label "pet" to it or "friend", but a different lifeform that evolved under completely different circumstances might perceive a dog as cattle, food or something alien to us. In those same lines, what may seem rules of formal logic to humans may be complete gibberish to another intelligent lifeform. It's all subjective and it's good to keep that in mind. Because dealing in absolutes is folly.

Well, no. A dog (a better example would be a wolf, since dogs require humans to exist. ) would not cease to be a dog if humans ceased to exist. The concept of dog would not exist, no, but concepts are arbitrary, whereas physical reality is not. (Perception is irrelevant, so don’t try that route.) The argument is not that they could not exist. The argument is that since we have no proof that they do, we have to assume the negative.

[New haven america]

I'm talking about something akin to cthulu

Unlikely. And theres a number of reasons why. If anything like that existed here on Earth, in the past, it would left evidence. Archeological and otherwise. We would likely know much if not everything about it. So conclusion it doesnt exists here.

In space, on other worlds, around other stars? Who knows.

Eh, it didn't necessarily have to land on Earth though. When it comes to a lot of fiction surrounding these possible beings, a lot of them are big enough to be seen from the ground without actually having to land on a planet.

You also have things like the Monolith, which are capable of completely erasing any evidence of their existence if they so wish.

[Daarwyrth]

Every single concept we know of is thought up by humans. A dog is a dog because a human created that concept. We tend to stick the label "pet" to it or "friend", but a different lifeform that evolved under completely different circumstances might perceive a dog as cattle, food or something alien to us. In those same lines, what may seem rules of formal logic to humans may be complete gibberish to another intelligent lifeform. It's all subjective and it's good to keep that in mind. Because dealing in absolutes is folly.

Well, no. A dog (a better example would be a wolf, since dogs require humans to exist. ) would not cease to be a dog if humans ceased to exist. The concept of dog would not exist, no, but concepts are arbitrary, whereas physical reality is not. (Perception is irrelevant, so don’t try that route.) The argument is not that they could not exist. The argument is that since we have no proof that they do, we have to assume the negative.

Perception means everything when it comes to subjects like this. The same thing will never appear the same when viewed from two sides. Yes, we may have a similar concept for it, but it will never be viewed the same way by both individuals. Physical reality may dictate that a living, breathing and material creature stands before you, but what it is and means is entirely filled in by what perspective you stand in. But heck, even physical reality may appear differently to another lifeform, or better, they may perceive it differently. But does that mean they're wrong and humans would be right? Absolutely not, hence I return to my previous statement, that everything is subjective.

I understand your point of view and to a degree would find myself in agreement, but I simply get weary when people start "the rules of this or that dictate thus or so", because all those rules are nothing more but other people's thoughts. You can agree or disagree with them, but when people start to take them as absolute, undeniably true rules, my eyes start rolling

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Build a doomstacked fleet and send that cosmic horror back to space satan.

[New haven america]

Every single concept we know of is thought up by humans. A dog is a dog because a human created that concept. We tend to stick the label "pet" to it or "friend", but a different lifeform that evolved under completely different circumstances might perceive a dog as cattle, food or something alien to us. In those same lines, what may seem rules of formal logic to humans may be complete gibberish to another intelligent lifeform. It's all subjective and it's good to keep that in mind. Because dealing in absolutes is folly.

Well, no. A dog (a better example would be a wolf, since dogs require humans to exist. ) would not cease to be a dog if humans ceased to exist. The concept of dog would not exist, no, but concepts are arbitrary, whereas physical reality is not. (Perception is irrelevant, so don’t try that route.) The argument is not that they could not exist. The argument is that since we have no proof that they do, we have to assume the negative.

Perception is relevant though. If you can't perceive or process something, but it exists, then who's the one that's acting illogically?

Take Native Americans for example: When Europeans started arriving on boats and bringing over European animals, a lot of Natives either ignored them or couldn't even process what they were seeing. Why? Because a lot of them didn't know what boats were, or cows, or horses. If you told a Plains Native American before European contact that there were massive objects that could travel across water and carry people and animals, they'd think you were fucking insane.