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Could eldtrich abominations exist?

No, they definitely don't
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They probably don't but I can't rule it out
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They probably do exist but maybe they don't
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They definitely exist and I'm in fear for my life
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Fire the space nukes
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:07 pm

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Vivolkha wrote:Ok... how do they get here?

Well like I said earlier, it depends on whether faster than light travel is possible. If it's not then they almost certainly will never get here. If it is though then it could be any day.

Or maybe they're already here, their genetic material dormant within every single living thing on this planet, waiting for the signal to awake. You see, today I learned about something commonly described as biological dark matter, and now you can learn about it too!


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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:31 pm

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Page wrote:Well like I said earlier, it depends on whether faster than light travel is possible. If it's not then they almost certainly will never get here. If it is though then it could be any day.

Or maybe they're already here, their genetic material dormant within every single living thing on this planet, waiting for the signal to awake. You see, today I learned about something commonly described as biological dark matter, and now you can learn about it too!


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Postby Immoren » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:37 pm

Vivolkha wrote:
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Maybe the Lovecraftian horrors just like to eat all the life they find, in which case it wouldn't matter how relatively advanced or civilized humans are, the Earth would just be a bag of chips in the cosmic grocery store.

Ok... how do they get here?


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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:19 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Page wrote:Well like I said earlier, it depends on whether faster than light travel is possible. If it's not then they almost certainly will never get here. If it is though then it could be any day.

Or maybe they're already here, their genetic material dormant within every single living thing on this planet, waiting for the signal to awake. You see, today I learned about something commonly described as biological dark matter, and now you can learn about it too!

It seems ridiculously inefficient for something to store its DNA as non-coding junk within normal organisms' genomes.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:21 pm

Vivolkha wrote:
Page wrote:
Maybe the Lovecraftian horrors just like to eat all the life they find, in which case it wouldn't matter how relatively advanced or civilized humans are, the Earth would just be a bag of chips in the cosmic grocery store.

Ok... how do they get here?

Quantum teleportation. They are not matter like us.

Of course, why they would want to consume matter like us if they are not themselves is another question.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:50 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:Given how there are billions of galaxies, it is almost inevitable that entities exist similar to the Lovecraftian horrors as mentioned by RFS. However, it would be the most arrogant form of vanity to think they would be even remotely interested in some backwater world where the dominant primates are currently in the process of ruining themselves.

Billions of attempts at something with zero probability still yields zero. Eldritch abominations à la Lovecraft are physically impossible.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:51 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Vivolkha wrote:Ok... how do they get here?

Quantum teleportation. They are not matter like us.

Of course, why they would want to consume matter like us if they are not themselves is another question.

Teleportation does not allow information to travel at superluminal speed.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:55 pm

Risottia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Quantum teleportation. They are not matter like us.

Of course, why they would want to consume matter like us if they are not themselves is another question.

Teleportation does not allow information to travel at superluminal speed.

As far as we know.

But humans suck at physics so we won't be getting a definitive answer on that anytime soon.
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Postby Vivolkha » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:34 am

Risottia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Quantum teleportation. They are not matter like us.

Of course, why they would want to consume matter like us if they are not themselves is another question.

Teleportation does not allow information to travel at superluminal speed.

There's still quantum entanglement.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:54 am

Vivolkha wrote:
Risottia wrote:Teleportation does not allow information to travel at superluminal speed.

There's still quantum entanglement.

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:08 am

I don't see how the question is relevant. If such a being exists, we have no way of stopping it from doing whatever it wants to do, so preparing for it is pointless. And if it doesn't exist, there's... also no point in preparing for it, because there's nothing to prepare for. Therefore, there is no reason to take this being's existence or nonexistence into account, since no matter what it decides to do, we have no way of affecting the outcome.
As for the actual question, the answer is that I don't know. It's probably not impossible, but we've found no evidence that such a being even can exist, much less that it does.

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Postby Risottia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:20 am

Vivolkha wrote:
Risottia wrote:Teleportation does not allow information to travel at superluminal speed.

There's still quantum entanglement.

No. Same as above.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
However, all interpretations agree that entanglement produces correlation between the measurements and that the mutual information between the entangled particles can be exploited, but that any transmission of information at faster-than-light speeds is impossible.[8][9]
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Postby Vivolkha » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:01 am

Risottia wrote:
Vivolkha wrote:There's still quantum entanglement.

No. Same as above.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
However, all interpretations agree that entanglement produces correlation between the measurements and that the mutual information between the entangled particles can be exploited, but that any transmission of information at faster-than-light speeds is impossible.[8][9]

Yes, it's not literal FTL transmission. Literal FTL anything is by definition impossible.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:45 pm

Risottia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Quantum teleportation. They are not matter like us.

Of course, why they would want to consume matter like us if they are not themselves is another question.

Teleportation does not allow information to travel at superluminal speed.


Why would eternal eldritch abominations need to travel any faster ? A million years to them is just a refreshing nap.
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Postby Vivolkha » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:52 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Risottia wrote:Teleportation does not allow information to travel at superluminal speed.


Why would eternal eldritch abominations need to travel any faster ? A million years to them is just a refreshing nap.

They can't be eternal in the first place (not even the Universe as we know it is eternal) and if they see us and take a million years to get here, by then we ourselves could be extinct for some other reason.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:25 am

Vivolkha wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Why would eternal eldritch abominations need to travel any faster ? A million years to them is just a refreshing nap.

They can't be eternal in the first place (not even the Universe as we know it is eternal) and if they see us and take a million years to get here, by then we ourselves could be extinct for some other reason.

In that case it's free real estate.


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Postby The Ovakian Technarchy » Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:22 pm

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Postby Uiiop » Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:43 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:I don't see how the question is relevant. If such a being exists, we have no way of stopping it from doing whatever it wants to do, so preparing for it is pointless. And if it doesn't exist, there's... also no point in preparing for it, because there's nothing to prepare for. Therefore, there is no reason to take this being's existence or nonexistence into account, since no matter what it decides to do, we have no way of affecting the outcome.
As for the actual question, the answer is that I don't know. It's probably not impossible, but we've found no evidence that such a being even can exist, much less that it does.

Because in lovecraft's fiction it's turtles all the way down.
at least Some of the Eldtritch are only slightly less insignificant in the grand scheme by comparison. This theme necessarily includes the possibility of being only slightly less vurnable. therefore we might have a chance at stopping them in some form.

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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:38 pm

Years of video game experience have taught me that eldritch abominations are surprisingly vulnerable to concentrated BFG fire to the face.

BJ Blaskowicz shows us how it´s done.
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Postby The Eldritch Abomination » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:22 pm

Baltenstein wrote:Years of video game experience have taught me that eldritch abominations are surprisingly vulnerable to concentrated BFG fire to the face.

BJ Blaskowicz shows us how it´s done.

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Postby Tankmenistan » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:52 am

It would be impossible to find out something "above" or "outside" of nature, reality, the universe, this world, etc. as and with our means of discovery being products and parts of said nature. If a deity, God, an eldritch abomination, demons or whatever supernatural or otherworldly were to be found "in this world" or "in nature", they'd by default become worldly and natural. That is why the god of the gaps of our scientific understanding of nature is constantly "shrinking" while it really doesn't, because the "nature" we study "expands" while it really doesn't, just our understanding does. The world outside our world, the "other-world" and otherworldly is infinite even when it seems to shrink and the world stays finite even when it seems to expand, not counting the universe stretching ever since the big bang of course.

Something disobeying our natural laws only means our understanding of said natural laws is lacking, not that any sort of supernatural exists. It by definition cannot exist, because nothing is outside our own world. Only outside of our knowledge, information and understanding. In a way, Lovecraft himself would be a god to them for creating the universe they reside in, just as much as humanity as a whole IS the god who created all gods of all religions in the first place.

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:06 am

Organic ones seem doubtful.

Meanwhile, asteroids, comets, black holes... We have no defenses against inanimate natural eldritch things, and yet I haven't heard solid plans from any world leader about extra-terrestrial colonization, underground cities, or planetary defense grids to counter these things.

Fight the real enemy. Cthulhus are the least of our worries. All of this Cthulhu defamation is just... Sad! :(
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Postby Noel » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:19 pm

^ Yes! The eldritch abominations that threaten us totally and in ways we cannot fight against are much more likely to be non-sentient than sentient. Radiation might be eldritch horror to people that don't have detection capabilities. I'm sure you remember during the ebola panic there were some dorks building altars for ebola-chan ~Thank you ebola-chan! They built up a death god to personify a physical danger and some actually worshipped it.

I didn't read Lovecraft too deeply, but got the impression that many of his sinister deities were moreso figments of deranged, superstitious minds met with horror than actual gods from out of this world. The Dunwich Horror, Red Hook, and Dreams In The Witch House don't necesarilly suggest anything physical but fear and obsession. (Not that all of his deities were like that.)

People do like to make up theories that comets passing near to earth are connected to the end-times, or probes sent by alien nations, or that very deep holes in distant mountain regions lead to god knows what's lurking. Are they afraid of these unknown things to come like we should be afraid of HP's eldritch abominations?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:24 pm

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:55 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:This entire thread will be [DATA EXPUNGED] and all the posters on it will be given amnestics.

What thread? I do not see such a thing here. What are you even talking about? We do not know anything that would warp our minds beyond repair, so everything is as it should be.


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