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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:36 am

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I mean. Knives already kill more people a year than 'assault weapons' in AMERICA.

This guy would have easily killed way more than 4 with a gun, but why ruin a chance to dunk on gun regulation advocates?

lol

Your point?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:36 am

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Oh god fucking damn it.
private citizen - a citizen who does not hold any official or public position.


I didn't know the law only affected politician and state employees.

Silly me :p



not exactly. if you dont have a position in government what business is it of the state if youre carrying around a knife or gun?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:36 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:This guy would have easily killed way more than 4 with a gun, but why ruin a chance to dunk on gun regulation advocates?

lol

Your point?


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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:37 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Exactly, they're not banned.


just restricted.

which doesnt really solve the problem of violence, if you ask the charlie hebdo crowd or people who were in paris a couple years back.....

But if only public officials were restricted from carrying knives, that would solve the problem of violence?

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Postby Gormwood » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:38 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:This guy would have easily killed way more than 4 with a gun, but why ruin a chance to dunk on gun regulation advocates?

lol

Your point?

Gun fetishists can't resist using a crime story to dunk on gun regulation in the same breath they cry about not politicizing gun violence.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
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just restricted.

which doesnt really solve the problem of violence, if you ask the charlie hebdo crowd or people who were in paris a couple years back.....

But if only public officials were restricted from carrying knives, that would solve the problem of violence?


it might for their political opponents.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:40 am

Gormwood wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:lol

Your point?

Gun fetishists can't resist using a crime story to dunk on gun regulation in the same breath they cry about not politicizing gun violence.


any other cute nicknames you came up with?

between this and your need to refer to trump as 'donnie' its kinda worrying.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:40 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But if only public officials were restricted from carrying knives, that would solve the problem of violence?


it might for their political opponents.

How?

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:41 am

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it might for their political opponents.

How?


surely you dont want the Opposition to be armed?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:41 am

Gormwood wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:lol

Your point?

Gun fetishists can't resist using a crime story to dunk on gun regulation in the same breath they cry about not politicizing gun violence.

But any form of weapons control is bad. The police could have installed weapons that they didn't even hav to get away from their desks to aim in their own station if they wanted to.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:44 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Gun fetishists can't resist using a crime story to dunk on gun regulation in the same breath they cry about not politicizing gun violence.


any other cute nicknames you came up with?

between this and your need to refer to trump as 'donnie' its kinda worrying.

If it bothers you that much go file a report already.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:45 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How?


surely you dont want the Opposition to be armed?

I don't understand what you're getting at.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:45 am

Gormwood wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
any other cute nicknames you came up with?

between this and your need to refer to trump as 'donnie' its kinda worrying.

If it bothers you that much go file a report already.


and here i thought i was going to get a lecture on 'concern trolling'.

it doesnt bother me much gauth, but try to be more honest when it comes to naming people.
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Postby Joohan » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:47 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Joohan wrote:
I didn't know the law only affected politician and state employees.

Silly me :p

It's no business of the state what weaponry anybody is carrying on their person. The state doesn't know their reasoning for it, nor does it need to.


The bare minimum job of the state, the entire foundation of the social contract, is to provide security. If you carrying an 500 mossberg and a panzerfaust into a bank or on a train is a possible security threat - then it is the business of the state.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:47 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Gun fetishists can't resist using a crime story to dunk on gun regulation in the same breath they cry about not politicizing gun violence.

But any form of weapons control is bad. The police could have installed weapons that they didn't even hav to get away from their desks to aim in their own station if they wanted to.

This post reminds me the GTA 5 radio add that says shootings can be stopped if everyone had a gun.

Funny how parody is now being used as unironic arugments nowadays.

Anyway, this attack is horrible. My condoleances to the familles of the deceased.

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Postby Joohan » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:48 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Joohan wrote:
I didn't know the law only affected politician and state employees.

Silly me :p



not exactly. if you dont have a position in government what business is it of the state if youre carrying around a knife or gun?


The states bare minimum job is to ensure security. If you possessing a weapon posses a security risk, then it is the business of the state
If you need a witness look to yourself

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:50 am

Joohan wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:

not exactly. if you dont have a position in government what business is it of the state if youre carrying around a knife or gun?


The states bare minimum job is to ensure security. If you possessing a weapon posses a security risk, then it is the business of the state

Security is unimportant to me. I couldn't care less what the murder rate is.

And where's this social contract? Does it come with a cooling-off period? I don't remember signing.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:54 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Joohan wrote:
The states bare minimum job is to ensure security. If you possessing a weapon posses a security risk, then it is the business of the state

Security is unimportant to me. I couldn't care less what the murder rate is.

And where's this social contract? Does it come with a cooling-off period? I don't remember signing.

State bad.

Securty I don't care about there for no one else cares about it either.

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Postby Kragholm Free States » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:55 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Security is unimportant to me. I couldn't care less what the murder rate is.

And where's this social contract? Does it come with a cooling-off period? I don't remember signing.

State bad.

Securty I don't care about there for no one else cares about it either.


Lots of people care about all sorts of things, doesn't mean we should all be forcibly subjected to those things.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:57 am

Gormwood wrote:
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I mean. Knives already kill more people a year than 'assault weapons' in AMERICA.

This guy would have easily killed way more than 4 with a gun, but why ruin a chance to dunk on gun regulation advocates?


Bullshit. He would have killed one, then the alarm would have gone up from shots fired.

Knives are quiet and enable you to maintain the element of surprise like happened here until he was spotted and killed.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:59 am

Kragholm Free States wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Find some other tragic deaths to shitpost about? Maybe there was a car crash recently, you could say we need car control.

Why is it everyone always misses the obvious solution to all of this: death control.

Ban police
Cut off everyone's hands
Mass extinction of human race
Free weed for everyone
Accept that it happened and move on.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:59 am

Kragholm Free States wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:State bad.

Securty I don't care about there for no one else cares about it either.


Lots of people care about all sorts of things, doesn't mean we should all be forcibly subjected to those things.


Ah yes the horrable subjectation of being safe.

Not haveing you or your property dammaged.

What a evil nightmare.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:00 am

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Kragholm Free States wrote:Why is it everyone always misses the obvious solution to all of this: death control.

Ban police
Cut off everyone's hands
Mass extinction of human race
Free weed for everyone
Accept that it happened and move on.

Ban police sounds alright.
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Postby Joohan » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:00 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Joohan wrote:
The states bare minimum job is to ensure security. If you possessing a weapon posses a security risk, then it is the business of the state

Security is unimportant to me. I couldn't care less what the murder rate is.

And where's this social contract? Does it come with a cooling-off period? I don't remember signing.


Kind of implied - seeing as how you've been living off the collective efforts of society's labor. You know, police and military to protect you, environmental regulations to give you clean water and air, roads, electricity, education, food, healthcare, etc.

You know , things you've been utilizing your entire life, and are expected to contribute to.

Course - if you dont like all the prosperity - you're free to leave the social contract. All you gotta do is move out of the country to somewhere with no government :lol:
If you need a witness look to yourself

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:00 am

I was rather hoping we could talk about whether workplaces are becoming increasingly toxic before we jumped straight into a gun debate.
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