Paris Police HQ knife attack

[The Black Forrest]

LOLing at all the "IsLaM iS NoT tHe IsSuE" replies right now.

A Muslim guy killing someone doesn't mean he did it for islam. Two yemenite guys got shot in a dispute with a Chaldean at a night club in hamteamck, but the violence had nothing to do with Islam

Well my Kurdish friend.

When they target figures of authority; is it not for Islam?

[Andsed]

A Muslim guy killing someone doesn't mean he did it for islam. Two yemenite guys got shot in a dispute with a Chaldean at a night club in hamteamck, but the violence had nothing to do with Islam

Well my Kurdish friend.

When they target figures of authority; is it not for Islam?

Depends. Sometimes that may be the case but not always since there is several other motives that could inspire an Islamic person to attack some with authority that has nothing to do with Islam. Which is why immediately assuming a crime like this committed by a Muslim was done in the name of Islam is not exactly the most rational idea.

[The Black Forrest]

Well my Kurdish friend.

When they target figures of authority; is it not for Islam?

Depends. Sometimes that may be the case but not always since there is several other motives that could inspire an Islamic person to attack some with authority that has nothing to do with Islam. Which is why immediately assuming a crime like this committed by a Muslim was done in the name of Islam is not exactly the most rational idea.

Well? The same can be said for automatic dismissal or “Well he wasn’t really a Muslim”

Every avenue is worthy of investigation on a crime.

[Andsed]

Depends. Sometimes that may be the case but not always since there is several other motives that could inspire an Islamic person to attack some with authority that has nothing to do with Islam. Which is why immediately assuming a crime like this committed by a Muslim was done in the name of Islam is not exactly the most rational idea.

Well? The same can be said for automatic dismissal or “Well he wasn’t really a Muslim”

Every avenue is worthy of investigation on a crime.

I never said otherwise. I just said that immediately assuming it was Islam is not a super rational idea.

[Rojava Free State]

A Muslim guy killing someone doesn't mean he did it for islam. Two yemenite guys got shot in a dispute with a Chaldean at a night club in hamteamck, but the violence had nothing to do with Islam

Well my Kurdish friend.

When they target figures of authority; is it not for Islam?

I'm not a kurd at all and anyone can target authority for anything. If a Muslim guy kills the leader of his country because the leader is a tyrant, I would say he's fighting for freedom and not islam. If this Muslim guy in France killed some people in a workplace dispute (he went postal with a knife), it isn't for islam either. Not everything is the scary jihadist terrorist. People get killed for lots of different reasons by lots of different people

[The Black Forrest]

Well my Kurdish friend.

When they target figures of authority; is it not for Islam?

I'm not a kurd at all and anyone can target authority for anything. If a Muslim guy kills the leader of his country because the leader is a tyrant, I would say he's fighting for freedom and not islam. If this Muslim guy in France killed some people in a workplace dispute (he went postal with a knife), it isn't for islam either. Not everything is the scary jihadist terrorist. People get killed for lots of different reasons by lots of different people

Not in the sense of Religion and protecting fellow worshipers. A coworkers girl friend works in the French anti-terror unit. She had stories about things done in the name of Allah.

The “scary jihadist terrorist” angle hasn’t been dismissed yet. Doubt it was a workplace dispute. Let’s see what the investigation finds.

[Rojava Free State]

I'm not a kurd at all and anyone can target authority for anything. If a Muslim guy kills the leader of his country because the leader is a tyrant, I would say he's fighting for freedom and not islam. If this Muslim guy in France killed some people in a workplace dispute (he went postal with a knife), it isn't for islam either. Not everything is the scary jihadist terrorist. People get killed for lots of different reasons by lots of different people

Not in the sense of Religion and protecting fellow worshipers. A coworkers girl friend works in the French anti-terror unit. She had stories about things done in the name of Allah.

The “scary jihadist terrorist” angle hasn’t been dismissed yet. Doubt it was a workplace dispute. Let’s see what the investigation finds.

Yeah and many people in police here have stories of things done in the name of "muh white race" or "muh guns" or "damn dirty commies." I wouldn't say killing in the name of Allah is all that unique, nor would I say that it's the greatest threat to mankind or that some random guy with skin darker than a German must have automatically killed people just cause hes a Muslim.

[Fartsniffage]

I love that this thread seems to have dismissed the fact that the French police force is in such a state that they're had over 50 suicides already this year.

Muslim or not, the killer is a part of that system. Seems like the issues in the force might have something to do with all this.

[Rojava Free State]

I love that this thread seems to have dismissed the fact that the French police force is in such a state that they're had over 50 suicides already this year.

Muslim or not, the killer is a part of that system. Seems like the issues in the force might have something to do with all this.

Jesus christ, what's going on in the police station?

[Fartsniffage]

I love that this thread seems to have dismissed the fact that the French police force is in such a state that they're had over 50 suicides already this year.

Muslim or not, the killer is a part of that system. Seems like the issues in the force might have something to do with all this.

Jesus christ, what's going on in the police station?

The attack follows a rare nationwide police strike on Wednesday, which saw thousands of officers demonstrating in Paris over working hours, shortages in resources and controversial pension reforms.

Police unions say there have been more than 50 suicides by police officers since the start of the year.

All from the article in the OP.

[Rojava Free State]

Jesus christ, what's going on in the police station?

The attack follows a rare nationwide police strike on Wednesday, which saw thousands of officers demonstrating in Paris over working hours, shortages in resources and controversial pension reforms.

Police unions say there have been more than 50 suicides by police officers since the start of the year.

All from the article in the OP.

France sounds nastier by the day

[The Black Forrest]

Not in the sense of Religion and protecting fellow worshipers. A coworkers girl friend works in the French anti-terror unit. She had stories about things done in the name of Allah.

The “scary jihadist terrorist” angle hasn’t been dismissed yet. Doubt it was a workplace dispute. Let’s see what the investigation finds.

Yeah and many people in police here have stories of things done in the name of "muh white race" or "muh guns" or "damn dirty commies." I wouldn't say killing in the name of Allah is all that unique, nor would I say that it's the greatest threat to mankind or that some random guy with skin darker than a German must have automatically killed people just cause hes a Muslim.

Not exactly sure what your point is anymore.

[The Black Forrest]

All from the article in the OP.

god, the police in france have been seriously neglected.

In quite a few ways and for awhile. When I was there for some work; graffiti was not a high priority item anymore. Nothing sadder then seeing buildings from the time of Romans covered with it.

[Rojava Free State]

Yeah and many people in police here have stories of things done in the name of "muh white race" or "muh guns" or "damn dirty commies." I wouldn't say killing in the name of Allah is all that unique, nor would I say that it's the greatest threat to mankind or that some random guy with skin darker than a German must have automatically killed people just cause hes a Muslim.

Not exactly sure what your point is anymore.

Don't immediately jump to your personal boogeymen to explain all evil events that happen in this world. Humanity is more three dimensional than that

[The Black Forrest]

Not exactly sure what your point is anymore.

Don't immediately jump to your personal boogeymen to explain all evil events that happen in this world. Humanity is more three dimensional than that

Maybe you should direct that at others. My contention was your dismissal of Islam not being a factor without seeing the results of the investigation.

[Risastorstein]

Stopping immigration from Muslim nations means clearly you hate Muslims or distrust them

Well yes, as anyone who support gay and women's rights should. Looking at the statistics regarding attitudes and behaviors towards these two groups in Islamic countries is more than enough for refusing to let them in and ultimately fail to integrate them. The most disturbing part is that these beliefs don't really change once in the West.

Oh so you have some new proof that shows he committed this crime because of his Islamic beliefs? Then by all means show us. Because right now it looks far more likely that this was motivated by an apparent psychotic break he had along with apparently having a bit of bad blood with his supervisor.

One cause of the outbreak is reported to be his refusal to greet and interact with female colleagues and him excusing the Charlie Hebdo attacks. He also had links with the salafist movement. According to the anti-terrorist prosecutor, he had a radical vision of Islam.

[Gormwood]

Stopping immigration from Muslim nations means clearly you hate Muslims or distrust them

Well yes, as anyone who support gay and women's rights should. Looking at the statistics regarding attitudes and behaviors towards these two groups in Islamic countries is more than enough for refusing to let them in and ultimately fail to integrate them. The most disturbing part is that these beliefs don't really change once in the West.

So follow the examples of China and Myanmar in regards to Muslims. Got it.

[Risastorstein]

So follow the examples of China and Myanmar in regards to Muslims. Got it.

Ah yes, restricting immigration and denouncing the backwardness of the Islamic world on many social issues is exactly like putting citizens in concentration camps. Got it.

[Gormwood]

So follow the examples of China and Myanmar in regards to Muslims. Got it.

Ah yes, restricting immigration and denouncing the backwardness of the Islamic world on many social issues is exactly like putting citizens in concentration camps. Got it.

Different steps in the same process.

[Risastorstein]

Different steps in the same process.

"A slippery slope argument (SSA), in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is a logical fallacy in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect."

This will be my last response to your messages as it will ultimately lead to a pointless argument about why "borders are mean and Islam is perfect in very way and is a flagship of progressive values, you bigot!".

[Gormwood]

Different steps in the same process.

"A slippery slope argument (SSA), in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is a logical fallacy in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect."

This will be my last response to your messages as it will ultimately lead to a pointless argument about why "borders are mean and Islam is perfect in very way and is a flagship of progressive values, you bigot!".

Excluding an entire group of people based on their religious faith is a bad sign. And it's rather predictable you fell back on the "ISLAM IS PERFECT" strawman. I never said it was perfect. But if you're more than happy to exclude people whose only crime is sharing a common religion with some terrorists then it's merely a matter of time before you dehumanize them enough to where nothing is off limits.

[Rio Cana]

So it seems that the only safe parts of France is French Guiana. Ok.

[Kowani]

Ah yes, restricting immigration and denouncing the backwardness of the Islamic world on many social issues is exactly like putting citizens in concentration camps. Got it.

Different steps in the same process.

Not at all, actually.

[Risottia]

So it seems that the only safe parts of France is French Guiana. Ok.

With Bolsonaro's Brazil at the gates and Suriname claiming some of the territory, while having the highest murder rates of France? I doubt it.

[Rojava Free State]

Stopping immigration from Muslim nations means clearly you hate Muslims or distrust them

Well yes, as anyone who support gay and women's rights should. Looking at the statistics regarding attitudes and behaviors towards these two groups in Islamic countries is more than enough for refusing to let them in and ultimately fail to integrate them. The most disturbing part is that these beliefs don't really change once in the West.

Oh so you have some new proof that shows he committed this crime because of his Islamic beliefs? Then by all means show us. Because right now it looks far more likely that this was motivated by an apparent psychotic break he had along with apparently having a bit of bad blood with his supervisor.

One cause of the outbreak is reported to be his refusal to greet and interact with female colleagues and him excusing the Charlie Hebdo attacks. He also had links with the salafist movement. According to the anti-terrorist prosecutor, he had a radical vision of Islam.

Lmao pal I live in an area full of Muslim people and everyone seems fine here to me. Then again I'm not in the alternate universe of the United States of hysteria where a woman wearing a headscarf is enough to trigger a panic and violent hatred.

Supporting women's rights and gay people does not mean you gotta look at a Muslim guy and want his ass dead. It's kinda like love the religious person, hate the religion.