Paris Police HQ knife attack

[Ors Might]

Social contract sounds kinda unethical when you put it like that. Certainly wouldn’t hold up in court, which is a delicious irony of it’s own.

Sorry bud, court systems are reserved for members of the social contract.

Cause you know, benefitting from the labor of others without contributing anything yourself would be unethical.

As would be putting someone in a situation where they have to either give you their labor or die.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Ah so beacuse you feel weak therefor everyone else doesn't need to be safe. Good logic 10/10 logical debate.

This part of the post is non scarsatic and not trying to poke holes in your arugement or logic, not careing when something bad happens to you is not a normal way to feel. Are you ok? If your not feeling ok please go see a doctor.

Did you read my post?

I would hate to think (i.e. I don't) that I felt so weak that I needed somebody from the government protecting me. I don't feel so under threat that I need to be looked out for by a police officer.

Yes. Thats why I'm worryed about you.

Also that your arugment is based off of illogical feelings and fears of being "weak".

[Ifreann]

I'd hate to think that I was so weak I had to have someone watching me from the big and friendly government at all times.

I'd also hate to think I'd care if something bad happened to me.

But plainly you do care. The government is currently restricting your behaviour, and you certainly consider that to be a bad thing, and you definitely care.

[Joohan]

Kind of implied - seeing as how you've been living off the collective efforts of society's labor. You know, police and military to protect you, environmental regulations to give you clean water and air, roads, electricity, education, food, healthcare, etc.

You know , things you've been utilizing your entire life, and are expected to contribute to.

Course - if you dont like all the prosperity - you're free to leave the social contract. All you gotta do is move out of the country to somewhere with no government

I'll break it down for you:

Police and military: could do without
Environmental protections: just serves to restrain businesses, we're better off without them.
Roads: could be private toll roads
Electricity: already is private
Education: I went to a private school
Food: The days of government-run farming collectives are over, comrade.
Healthcare: I'll never support single-payer. It's terrible and hurts choice.

Got any more? This is fun!

Nothing like a society were only the rich can live with basic amenities. Cant protect your home from the reavers outside because you're too poor to afford your own private army? Too bad!

[The Emerald Legion]

I'll break it down for you:

Police and military: could do without
Environmental protections: just serves to restrain businesses, we're better off without them.
Roads: could be private toll roads
Electricity: already is private
Education: I went to a private school
Food: The days of government-run farming collectives are over, comrade.
Healthcare: I'll never support single-payer. It's terrible and hurts choice.

Got any more? This is fun!

Nothing like a society were only the rich can live with basic amenities. Cant protect your home from the reavers outside because you're too poor to afford your own private army? Too bad!

Obviously you JOIN the reavers. Duh.

[Joohan]

Sorry bud, court systems are reserved for members of the social contract.

Cause you know, benefitting from the labor of others without contributing anything yourself would be unethical.

As would be putting someone in a situation where they have to either give you their labor or die.

Hey, you're free to go live in the desert. You dont have use all the benefits society gives you. Just dont expect any of those benefits if you dont contribute

[Greater vakolicci haven]

As would be putting someone in a situation where they have to either give you their labor or die.

Hey, you're free to go live in the desert. You dont have use all the benefits society gives you. Just dont expect any of those benefits if you dont contribute

Or make the opt-ins. If I don't want to use public education for my children, I don't want to pay for your kids to go to school. I don't really care if your kids don't get educated.
If I don't want police protection, I should be able to opt out and become entirely invisible to the cops. It's hardly fair for people to come to this world in a place that's been corrupted by statism without them having a chance to opt out, is it?

[Ifreann]

As we all know, it's very difficult to use a gun to kill more than one person in quick succession. Almost impossible.

In the specific situation where you encounter and kill one person, then have to go elsewhere to encounter and kill another.... Yes. Yes it is hard to kill multiple people in quick succession when only one is present.

And a 20 year employee of the police would certainly have no idea which rooms in their place of work would tend to have multiple people in them.

[Joohan]

Hey, you're free to go live in the desert. You dont have use all the benefits society gives you. Just dont expect any of those benefits if you dont contribute

Or make the opt-ins. If I don't want to use public education for my children, I don't want to pay for your kids to go to school. I don't really care if your kids don't get educated.
If I don't want police protection, I should be able to opt out and become entirely invisible to the cops. It's hardly fair for people to come to this world in a place that's been corrupted by statism without them having a chance to opt out, is it?

That's not how that works fam. The police give lives to make sure your community is free from crime - evening you never call 911 in your life, you benefit from their sacrifice. Same for the military, or the public education which educated your doctors, or mechanics, or any othe r person who helps to service you in daily affairs.

And there is an opt out option. Become a recluse in the middle of nowhere, or leave the country. The reason the opt out option sucks, is because living without a state sucks.

[Ors Might]

As would be putting someone in a situation where they have to either give you their labor or die.

Hey, you're free to go live in the desert. You dont have use all the benefits society gives you. Just dont expect any of those benefits if you dont contribute

How do children, those too ill to work, and the mentally disabled contribute to society? Do they have to go live in the desert too?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Or make the opt-ins. If I don't want to use public education for my children, I don't want to pay for your kids to go to school. I don't really care if your kids don't get educated.
If I don't want police protection, I should be able to opt out and become entirely invisible to the cops. It's hardly fair for people to come to this world in a place that's been corrupted by statism without them having a chance to opt out, is it?

That's not how that works fam. The police give lives to make sure your community is free from crime - evening you never call 911 in your life, you benefit from their sacrifice. Same for the military, or the public education which educated your doctors, or mechanics, or any othe r person who helps to service you in daily affairs.

And there is an opt out option. Become a recluse in the middle of nowhere, or leave the country. The reason the opt out option sucks, is because living without a state sucks.

But I don't want where I live to be kept free from crime. Why would I? If they die trying to do that, oh that's sad for the family I guess. Why should anyone else care?

[Joohan]

Hey, you're free to go live in the desert. You dont have use all the benefits society gives you. Just dont expect any of those benefits if you dont contribute

How do children, those too ill to work, and the mentally disabled contribute to society? Do they have to go live in the desert too?

We, the contributing members of society, have collectively and democratically decided to take care of those unable to care for themselves.

We've not been so kind to those, unwilling.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Hey, you're free to go live in the desert. You dont have use all the benefits society gives you. Just dont expect any of those benefits if you dont contribute

How do children, those too ill to work, and the mentally disabled contribute to society? Do they have to go live in the desert too?

Death valley daycare?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

How do children, those too ill to work, and the mentally disabled contribute to society? Do they have to go live in the desert too?

We, the contributing members of society, have collectively and democratically decided to take care of those unable to care for themselves.

We've not been so kind to those, unwilling.

I'm more than willing to pay to take care of myself.

[Ors Might]

How do children, those too ill to work, and the mentally disabled contribute to society? Do they have to go live in the desert too?

We, the contributing members of society, have collectively and democratically decided to take care of those unable to care for themselves.

We've not been so kind to those, unwilling.

Ah, so we do give benefits to those who don’t contribute. That’s what makes me think that the social contract is kind of bullshit since we’re willing to suspend it. Maybe it’s not the best analogy for organizing society.

[Joohan]

We, the contributing members of society, have collectively and democratically decided to take care of those unable to care for themselves.

We've not been so kind to those, unwilling.

Ah, so we do give benefits to those who don’t contribute. That’s what makes me think that the social contract is kind of bullshit since we’re willing to suspend it. Maybe it’s not the best analogy for organizing society.

You think its Bs that the members if the contract can decide the parameters of said contract?

[Joohan]

We, the contributing members of society, have collectively and democratically decided to take care of those unable to care for themselves.

We've not been so kind to those, unwilling.

I'm more than willing to pay to take care of myself.

You can do that. The rest of us are quite content with our collective efforts and cooperation.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I have to admit that being an American, my first thought is "how the fuck does a knife-wielding assailant even get off one stab without having 249 holes put in them in the next half-second?"

Well, the french police force only have baguettes due to lack of funding.

[The Emerald Legion]

I'm more than willing to pay to take care of myself.

You can do that. The rest of us are quite content with our collective efforts and cooperation.

What collective efforts and cooperation?

[Joohan]

You can do that. The rest of us are quite content with our collective efforts and cooperation.

What collective efforts and cooperation?

You pay taxes and generally follow the law dont you?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Ban police
Cut off everyone's hands
Mass extinction of human race
Free weed for everyone
Accept that it happened and move on.

Ban police sounds alright.

Absolutely not! Police are needed in some form

[The Emerald Legion]

Ban police sounds alright.

Absolutely not! Police are needed in some form

Not if everyone is armed.

[Alvecia]

Absolutely not! Police are needed in some form

Not if everyone is armed.

That's how wars start

[The Emerald Legion]

What collective efforts and cooperation?

You pay taxes and generally follow the law dont you?

I do. I know damn well not everyone does. I would even go so far as to say the majority don't.

[Risottia]

What the hell is a private citizen? Does the state not have authority over this person? Is there a public citizen in this scenario?

someone who is not in the public sphere.

So, a hermit on a remote island?