by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:21 pm
by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:52 pm
Archipelago Bay wrote:Because they're fluffy
by Archipelago Bay » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:55 pm
by Grater Tovakia » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:56 pm
Archipelago Bay wrote:Maybe they make more money out of tourist revenue than their upkeep costs?
At the very least I think it would be more worthy spending that money on Pandas than WMDs
by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:59 pm
Archipelago Bay wrote:Maybe they make more money out of tourist revenue than their upkeep costs?
At the very least I think it would be more worthy spending that money on Pandas than WMDs
by The Two Jerseys » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:00 pm
by Skyhooked » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:01 pm
by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:03 pm
The Two Jerseys wrote:No. In addition to everything the OP mentioned, half the time the pandas in captivity don't even want to mate, an animal that doesn't want to reproduce on its own initiative doesn't deserve to be saved.
Not to mention that the panda breeding program is a Chinese scam in the first place...
by Archipelago Bay » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:06 pm
by Ifreann » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:09 pm
Aureumterra wrote:That’s the problem, anyone who knows basic evolutionary science will tell you a species that relies overtly on a single food source goes extinct pretty fast, human interference or not.
by Mettaton-EX » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:24 pm
Aureumterra wrote:Remember natural selection? If natural selection had taken its full course, the giant panda would be extinct quite fast, and despite what activists may tell you, no, the panda’s endangerment was not caused by humans. In fact, pandas were going extinct for a while, and any evolutionary scientist observing pandas wouldn’t have a hard time telling why. Pandas rely on bamboo, a low nutrition food source that the panda’s body isn’t evolved to digest properly, and thus extracts very little nutrition from it. Adding on to that, pandas depend almost entirely on bamboo, and the species has failed to adapt to anything else, even though they aren’t afraid to kill and eat meat on rare occasions. That’s the problem, anyone who knows basic evolutionary science will tell you a species that relies overtly on a single food source goes extinct pretty fast, human interference or not. It’s called natural selection, a trend that’s been going on for millions of years before humans even existed. Species that have poor adaptations often go extinct pretty fast, or stay on a small island or remote area with no threats. In addition, pandas almost have no niches in their environment (and no, despite what you may have heard, eating bamboo is not a unique niche. Many animals of the habitat do that, getting rid of pandas won’t cause a “bamboo overpopulation” if you’re worried)
by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:27 pm
Ifreann wrote:Aureumterra wrote:That’s the problem, anyone who knows basic evolutionary science will tell you a species that relies overtly on a single food source goes extinct pretty fast, human interference or not.
Em, no. A species that relies on one source of food will go extinct if they lose their source of food before they can adapt. Pandas only eating bamboo would drive them to extinction only if they ran out of bamboo.
by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:29 pm
Mettaton-EX wrote:Aureumterra wrote:Remember natural selection? If natural selection had taken its full course, the giant panda would be extinct quite fast, and despite what activists may tell you, no, the panda’s endangerment was not caused by humans. In fact, pandas were going extinct for a while, and any evolutionary scientist observing pandas wouldn’t have a hard time telling why. Pandas rely on bamboo, a low nutrition food source that the panda’s body isn’t evolved to digest properly, and thus extracts very little nutrition from it. Adding on to that, pandas depend almost entirely on bamboo, and the species has failed to adapt to anything else, even though they aren’t afraid to kill and eat meat on rare occasions. That’s the problem, anyone who knows basic evolutionary science will tell you a species that relies overtly on a single food source goes extinct pretty fast, human interference or not. It’s called natural selection, a trend that’s been going on for millions of years before humans even existed. Species that have poor adaptations often go extinct pretty fast, or stay on a small island or remote area with no threats. In addition, pandas almost have no niches in their environment (and no, despite what you may have heard, eating bamboo is not a unique niche. Many animals of the habitat do that, getting rid of pandas won’t cause a “bamboo overpopulation” if you’re worried)
koalas eat exclusively poison and are a much smaller (entirely human-caused) conservation issue, so i don't buy this argument
by Ifreann » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:29 pm
Aureumterra wrote:Ifreann wrote:Em, no. A species that relies on one source of food will go extinct if they lose their source of food before they can adapt. Pandas only eating bamboo would drive them to extinction only if they ran out of bamboo.
Humans aren’t the only thing that changes the environment, a mutated epidemic, volcanic eruption, etc. all cause major problems for species as fragile as the panda
by Mettaton-EX » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:34 pm
Aureumterra wrote:Mettaton-EX wrote:
koalas eat exclusively poison and are a much smaller (entirely human-caused) conservation issue, so i don't buy this argument
Koalas are much smaller and thus need much less energy, they also live in Australia, one of the most isolated places (in terms of evolutionary science) on Earth
by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:36 pm
by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:37 pm
by Catsfern » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:39 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:42 pm
The Two Jerseys wrote:No. In addition to everything the OP mentioned, half the time the pandas in captivity don't even want to mate, an animal that doesn't want to reproduce on its own initiative doesn't deserve to be saved.
Not to mention that the panda breeding program is a Chinese scam in the first place...
by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:43 pm
Skarten wrote:A planet without pandas is not a planet i want to live in.
by Mettaton-EX » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:46 pm
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:47 pm
by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:47 pm
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