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Is Greta Thunberg a genuine environment activist or a puppet?

Genuine Activist
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Puppet controlled by Left Wing/ her parents
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Annoying environmental activist
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Lizard people
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:19 am

CPS better take custody of her just to be safe.
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Greed and Death wrote:CPS better take custody of her just to be safe.


Because...?
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:29 am

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Greed and Death wrote:CPS better take custody of her just to be safe.


Because...?


We don't know if she is being abused. The default CPS rule is to take custody first and let the parent prove they are innocent in several hearings.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:36 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Page wrote:
Because...?


We don't know if she is being abused. The default CPS rule is to take custody first and let the parent prove they are innocent in several hearings.

You could be a murderer. We don't have any proof for it and don't have any crime to connect you to but just to be safe we better send to away for life. We can let you prove yourself innocent in the courtrooms.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:41 am

Greed and Death wrote:
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Because...?


We don't know if she is being abused. The default CPS rule is to take custody first and let the parent prove they are innocent in several hearings.


So the presumption of innocence only applies when you personally say it does.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:46 am

G&D shitposting as usual. Greta Thunberg and her family aren't even American so what jurisdiction does CPS have with them? None.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:55 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I don't get why people have such a hard time believing that a girl can be angry about the planet fucking dying


Because then they would have to feel bad about not being angry themselves. People do not want to be passionate. They want predictable boredom.
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Postby Page » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:57 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Page wrote:
Because...?


We don't know if she is being abused. The default CPS rule is to take custody first and let the parent prove they are innocent in several hearings.


There is no evidence whatsoever that she is abused.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:00 am

Gormwood wrote:G&D shitposting as usual. Greta Thunberg and her family aren't even American so what jurisdiction does CPS have with them? None.


Although the first sentence is accurate, the second is a non sequitur. CPS is not a US government institution, it is a generic name for a children’s welfare agency, and Sweden does have a CPS.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:03 am

Page wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
We don't know if she is being abused. The default CPS rule is to take custody first and let the parent prove they are innocent in several hearings.


There is no evidence whatsoever that she is abused.

Indeed, this is an ad hominem mean't to silence what makes them uncomfortable.

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Postby Gormwood » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:05 am

Novus America wrote:
Gormwood wrote:G&D shitposting as usual. Greta Thunberg and her family aren't even American so what jurisdiction does CPS have with them? None.


Although the first sentence is accurate, the second is a non sequitur. CPS is not a US government institution, it is a generic name for a child protective agency, and presumably Sweden does have a CPS.

If Swedish child services hasn't taken custody of her in 16 years it stands they haven't deemed her being abused in any way.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:06 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
We don't know if she is being abused. The default CPS rule is to take custody first and let the parent prove they are innocent in several hearings.


So the presumption of innocence only applies when you personally say it does.


Eh, I it might be a more general criticism of how CPS agencies often act.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:08 am

Gormwood wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Although the first sentence is accurate, the second is a non sequitur. CPS is not a US government institution, it is a generic name for a child protective agency, and presumably Sweden does have a CPS.

If Swedish child services hasn't taken custody of her in 16 years it stands they haven't deemed her being abused in any way.


Correct. But your second sentence was still a non sequitur. Sweden does have a CPS, although generally a US centric term, CPS is not a US government agency, and agencies called CPS exist outside the US.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:38 am

She's somewhat of a puppet in the sense that her young age and driven focus made her a compelling vehicle for left-wing media to express the narrative of climate change, and so she often became the story and the way to sell it almost as much as the facts related to the things she protested. There is something a touch exploitative in the relationship, but of course there will be - the media is more powerful than those it chooses to signify a cause, and they care more about sales, reads and clicks than they do about her well-being.

That said, she appears to be coping relatively well so far, the attention is likely to slowly ebb away from her personally as new characters and stories are required to keep the news cycle fresh, and those expressing concern for her are generally part of the same slightly dodgy ecosystem and don't really care about her either, diverting attention to this matter which they'd normally not care about is primarily a way to dodge the real issues that she's representing.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:10 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
We don't know if she is being abused. The default CPS rule is to take custody first and let the parent prove they are innocent in several hearings.


So the presumption of innocence only applies when you personally say it does.


The presumption of Innocence applies in Criminal trials. This would be a civil hearing. As she will by then be in custody of CPS the burden will be on the family to demonstrate lack of abuse.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:48 am

Lanoraie II wrote:As someone who works and studies in the field of natural resource conservation, I can tell you right now nothing she's doing is helpful and everything she's doing is harmful. She's enabling slactivists to go on the streets and protest about things they know very little about, just so they can feel good and proud of themselves and then go right back to giving corporations their money that will be used to continue to exploit and harm the environment. Also her suing several countries except China?????? Get real.

She legally cannot sue China.
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Postby Page » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:52 am

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Greed and Death wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So the presumption of innocence only applies when you personally say it does.


The presumption of Innocence applies in Criminal trials. This would be a civil hearing. As she will by then be in custody of CPS the burden will be on the family to demonstrate lack of abuse.


Except CPS doesn't take custody of children when there is zero evidence of abuse.

There would be at the very least reasonable suspicion of some kind.

A bunch of concern trolls talking shit online does not amount to even the flimsiest credibility that there is anything wrong with Greta Thunberg's family. This may as well be Pizzagate 2.0 because it's no less baseless.
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Iowa teacher on leave after 'sniper rifle' comment about Greta Thunberg visit

DES MOINES, Iowa - A Waterloo high school teacher is on administrative leave after he left a threatening Facebook comment on a news story about climate activist Greta Thunberg's Iowa City visit Friday.

Matt Baish, a science teacher at Waterloo West High School, posted "Dont have my sniper rifle" Thursday on an article shared from Little Village Magazine about Greta Thunberg, a 16-year-old Swedish girl who has been a leading voice of youth activism around climate change.

Baish's comment, in addition to his own Facebook page, appears to have been deleted. But screenshots of his comments were posted on the Waterloo Community School District Facebook page.

The teachers and students at West received a message about Baish on Friday, saying that he was put on leave, according to an email statement by Waterloo Schools director of school and community relations Tara Thomas.

"We are aware of a social media situation involving one of our employees," the statement said. "The nature of the content shared rose to the level of putting this employee on administrative leave pending an investigation. We appreciate your patience as we sort through the details and thank you for respecting the process."

Waterloo Police Lt. Kye Richter said law enforcement is also investigating the incident.

Thomas also shared the school district's social media policy, which includes guidelines prohibiting content that "would be defined by a reasonable person as obscene, racist, or sexist," "promotes illicit, illegal, or unethical activity" or "violates the district’s affirmative action and/or bullying and harassment policies."

School district employees can face consequences including suspension or dismissal for not following online conduct guidelines, according to the document.

Thunberg joined more than 3,000 activists at a climate strike on Friday afternoon in Iowa City. Strikers demanded the University of Iowa and the city agree to a "Town-Gown Climate Accord," which calls for both entities to achieve 100% renewable energy by 2030 and asks the university to cease burning coal at its power plant.

"We teenagers and children shouldn't have to take the responsibility but right now the world leaders keep acting like children and someone needs to be the adult in the room," Thunberg said in Iowa City. "The world is waking up. We are the change and change is coming whether they like it or not."

Supposedly she's ineffective yet all the threats made against her.
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:56 am

Neutraligon wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:And it was still your one highschool out of how many in this country? Your one experience doesn't change the general rule just because there were a lot of people taking part. Government was mandatory to take for our senior year. Two of us participated in class. The others pissed and moaned about having to take it. Based on that, should I claim my point is true?

Not one hs, this happened in every hs in the county I lived. Like I said it is not unusual to be politically aware by 16. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... c96d520d4/
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:59 am

Gormwood wrote:Who saw this coming?

Iowa teacher on leave after 'sniper rifle' comment about Greta Thunberg visit

DES MOINES, Iowa - A Waterloo high school teacher is on administrative leave after he left a threatening Facebook comment on a news story about climate activist Greta Thunberg's Iowa City visit Friday.

Matt Baish, a science teacher at Waterloo West High School, posted "Dont have my sniper rifle" Thursday on an article shared from Little Village Magazine about Greta Thunberg, a 16-year-old Swedish girl who has been a leading voice of youth activism around climate change.

Baish's comment, in addition to his own Facebook page, appears to have been deleted. But screenshots of his comments were posted on the Waterloo Community School District Facebook page.

The teachers and students at West received a message about Baish on Friday, saying that he was put on leave, according to an email statement by Waterloo Schools director of school and community relations Tara Thomas.

"We are aware of a social media situation involving one of our employees," the statement said. "The nature of the content shared rose to the level of putting this employee on administrative leave pending an investigation. We appreciate your patience as we sort through the details and thank you for respecting the process."

Waterloo Police Lt. Kye Richter said law enforcement is also investigating the incident.

Thomas also shared the school district's social media policy, which includes guidelines prohibiting content that "would be defined by a reasonable person as obscene, racist, or sexist," "promotes illicit, illegal, or unethical activity" or "violates the district’s affirmative action and/or bullying and harassment policies."

School district employees can face consequences including suspension or dismissal for not following online conduct guidelines, according to the document.

Thunberg joined more than 3,000 activists at a climate strike on Friday afternoon in Iowa City. Strikers demanded the University of Iowa and the city agree to a "Town-Gown Climate Accord," which calls for both entities to achieve 100% renewable energy by 2030 and asks the university to cease burning coal at its power plant.

"We teenagers and children shouldn't have to take the responsibility but right now the world leaders keep acting like children and someone needs to be the adult in the room," Thunberg said in Iowa City. "The world is waking up. We are the change and change is coming whether they like it or not."

Supposedly she's ineffective yet all the threats made against her.

Threats get made against pretty much anyone with a controversial opinion. Doesn't prove she's effective at anything. Ari Hoffman, a city council candidate in Seattle got death threats from the tolerance brigade and his only achievement was supporting mandatory drug treatment for violent homeless people.

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Postby Zjaum » Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:40 pm

Gormwood wrote:Who saw this coming?

Iowa teacher on leave after 'sniper rifle' comment about Greta Thunberg visit

DES MOINES, Iowa - A Waterloo high school teacher is on administrative leave after he left a threatening Facebook comment on a news story about climate activist Greta Thunberg's Iowa City visit Friday.

Matt Baish, a science teacher at Waterloo West High School, posted "Dont have my sniper rifle" Thursday on an article shared from Little Village Magazine about Greta Thunberg, a 16-year-old Swedish girl who has been a leading voice of youth activism around climate change.

Baish's comment, in addition to his own Facebook page, appears to have been deleted. But screenshots of his comments were posted on the Waterloo Community School District Facebook page.

The teachers and students at West received a message about Baish on Friday, saying that he was put on leave, according to an email statement by Waterloo Schools director of school and community relations Tara Thomas.

"We are aware of a social media situation involving one of our employees," the statement said. "The nature of the content shared rose to the level of putting this employee on administrative leave pending an investigation. We appreciate your patience as we sort through the details and thank you for respecting the process."

Waterloo Police Lt. Kye Richter said law enforcement is also investigating the incident.

Thomas also shared the school district's social media policy, which includes guidelines prohibiting content that "would be defined by a reasonable person as obscene, racist, or sexist," "promotes illicit, illegal, or unethical activity" or "violates the district’s affirmative action and/or bullying and harassment policies."

School district employees can face consequences including suspension or dismissal for not following online conduct guidelines, according to the document.

Thunberg joined more than 3,000 activists at a climate strike on Friday afternoon in Iowa City. Strikers demanded the University of Iowa and the city agree to a "Town-Gown Climate Accord," which calls for both entities to achieve 100% renewable energy by 2030 and asks the university to cease burning coal at its power plant.

"We teenagers and children shouldn't have to take the responsibility but right now the world leaders keep acting like children and someone needs to be the adult in the room," Thunberg said in Iowa City. "The world is waking up. We are the change and change is coming whether they like it or not."

Supposedly she's ineffective yet all the threats made against her.

Please don't use "but death threats" for sympathy points. They take three seconds to make and can be made by anyone. I would hardly call them emblematic of public sentiment. That goes for lone radical fringe people, too.
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Zjaum wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Who saw this coming?

Iowa teacher on leave after 'sniper rifle' comment about Greta Thunberg visit


Supposedly she's ineffective yet all the threats made against her.

Please don't use "but death threats" for sympathy points. They take three seconds to make and can be made by anyone. I would hardly call them emblematic of public sentiment. That goes for lone radical fringe people, too.


"Sympathy points" isn't the point. The point is, if she's such a non-issue, why are people frothing at the mouth against her?
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Postby Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:21 pm

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Zjaum wrote:Please don't use "but death threats" for sympathy points. They take three seconds to make and can be made by anyone. I would hardly call them emblematic of public sentiment. That goes for lone radical fringe people, too.


"Sympathy points" isn't the point. The point is, if she's such a non-issue, why are people frothing at the mouth against her?


Because people get upset when a child gets used, a lot feel it’s abuse.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:24 pm

Samadhi wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
"Sympathy points" isn't the point. The point is, if she's such a non-issue, why are people frothing at the mouth against her?


Because people get upset when a child gets used, a lot feel it’s abuse.

And therefore they want to kill her?
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Because people get upset when a child gets used, a lot feel it’s abuse.

And therefore they want to kill her?


Because that’s remotely close to what I was talking about.
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