Greta Thunberg: Enviromental Activist or Forced Puppet?

[Nea Byzantia]

Yes, yes, and Octavian believed in maintaining the Roman Republic...

...Did this sound better in your head or something?

Let me phrase it differently...

[Bloodshade]

None. Other than I don't believe her. I think she's a puppet (possibly a willing one) for a larger Agenda, being pushed by certain wealthy elites.

Wealthy elite? Are you serious? The wealthy elite are the ones that are actively undermining the climate change movement and trying to paint it as a non-issue so that no one can touch their pockets or hurt their interests.

You're making it sound like the agenda is a nefarious one. Trying to prevent climate change and mitigate its effects certainly isn't nefarious.

Who's the big bad environmental elitists? Leonardo Di Caprio and Jason Momoa?

[Nea Byzantia]

None. Other than I don't believe her. I think she's a puppet (possibly a willing one) for a larger Agenda, being pushed by certain wealthy elites.

Wealthy elite? Are you serious? The wealthy elite are the ones that are actively undermining the climate change movement and trying to paint it as a non-issue so that no one can touch their pockets or hurt their interests.

You're making it sound like the agenda is a nefarious one. Trying to prevent climate change and mitigate its effects certainly isn't nefarious.

Who's the big bad environmental elitists? Leonardo Di Caprio and Jason Momoa?

Its about resource-control and population-control.

[Blueflarst]

Annoying activist Great thunderberg

[Major-Tom]

We're already seeing the catastrophic effects of climate change on a regular basis. It's not something to be seen in the distant future, but a harrowing reality.

Such as?

Here is a table of the warmest years on record (since 1880). Notice something peculiar?. Each year gets warmer steadily, the warmest years in recorded history have been 2016, 2015, 2017, 2018 and 2014.

This causes increased flooding due to warmer sea temperatures, which is demonstrable in that recent catastrophic hurricanes, typhoons and floods would have been far less severe had it not been for warmer temps. Take the four most costly Atlantic hurricanes, for instance.

They took place in 2005, 2012, 2017 and another in 2017! And I bet we can soon add Dorian (2019) and Florence (2018) to the top five roster! Record heat is already causing unprecedented wildfires, food shortages and more simply in the last few years alone. Hell, man, if you live on the East Coast of the US, you'd see it's 96F or so in October ffs.

Climate change denialism is on par with being a flat earther, or someone who doesn't believe the moon exists.

[MGTOWia]

Every time I see this obnoxious, ignorant brat, I am reminded of the old Steve Lawrence song, "Go Away, Little Girl."

Sweetie, your 15 minutes are up.

[Major-Tom]

Wealthy elite? Are you serious? The wealthy elite are the ones that are actively undermining the climate change movement and trying to paint it as a non-issue so that no one can touch their pockets or hurt their interests.

You're making it sound like the agenda is a nefarious one. Trying to prevent climate change and mitigate its effects certainly isn't nefarious.

Who's the big bad environmental elitists? Leonardo Di Caprio and Jason Momoa?

Its about resource-control and population-control.

In what way?

[Nakena]

Wealthy elite? Are you serious? The wealthy elite are the ones that are actively undermining the climate change movement and trying to paint it as a non-issue so that no one can touch their pockets or hurt their interests.

You're making it sound like the agenda is a nefarious one. Trying to prevent climate change and mitigate its effects certainly isn't nefarious.

Who's the big bad environmental elitists? Leonardo Di Caprio and Jason Momoa?

Its about resource-control and population-control.

There are better ways. Greta is just an insignificant appearence in the great picture of things.

[Major-Tom]

I am abundantly curious to see what climate-change nay sayers will think in, say, twenty years. It'll be interesting to see.

[Nea Byzantia]

I am abundantly curious to see what climate-change nay sayers will think in, say, twenty years. It'll be interesting to see.

I'm just as curious to see what climate change proponents say in 20 years when the world doesn't end. Probably they'll just keep up with the same crap and postpone it to 20 years later.

[Diopolis]

I am abundantly curious to see what climate-change nay sayers will think in, say, twenty years. It'll be interesting to see.

So you admit the world won’t end over it?

[Diopolis]

I am abundantly curious to see what climate-change nay sayers will think in, say, twenty years. It'll be interesting to see.

I'm just as curious to see what climate change proponents say in 20 years when the world doesn't end. Probably they'll just keep up with the same crap and postpone it to 20 years later.

You mean like they’ve been doing?
I dunno man. 20 years is kind of a long time for these people to stay on the same hobbyhorse. They’ll have moved onto some other excuse to kill babies by then.

[Nakena]

I am abundantly curious to see what climate-change nay sayers will think in, say, twenty years. It'll be interesting to see.

That they really enjoy the hot times.

[Major-Tom]

I am abundantly curious to see what climate-change nay sayers will think in, say, twenty years. It'll be interesting to see.

So you admit the world won’t end over it?

The world will sure look a lot different. When the statistical probability of life-threatening climate related events continues to march upwards exponentially, year by year, I imagine even us first-world folk will be far more cognizant of what climate change can cause. It sounds grim, but it's the truth.

We want our communities to be habitable and safe from most preventable natural disasters. Period. When people say "the world will be permanently changed," it's not just hyperbolic rhetoric, it's the honest to god truth.

[Gagium]

Ah yes, we're now making threads on kids to talk about how they're dumb puppets. Nice

[Major-Tom]

I am abundantly curious to see what climate-change nay sayers will think in, say, twenty years. It'll be interesting to see.

I'm just as curious to see what climate change proponents say in 20 years when the world doesn't end. Probably they'll just keep up with the same crap and postpone it to 20 years later.

Nobody except for a handful of loud-mouthed people utilizing extreme hyperbole are claiming it's "the end of the world as we know it." To act as if that's what most environmentalists are claiming is intellectual dishonesty at it's finest.

[Nea Byzantia]

I'm just as curious to see what climate change proponents say in 20 years when the world doesn't end. Probably they'll just keep up with the same crap and postpone it to 20 years later.

You mean like they’ve been doing?
I dunno man. 20 years is kind of a long time for these people to stay on the same hobbyhorse. They’ll have moved onto some other excuse to kill babies by then.

"Unborn fetuses are Russian Bots...Robo-Putin has hacked Procreation"

[Bloodshade]

Its about resource-control and population-control.

Extremely vague. What are you going on about?

[-Ocelot-]

Genuine.

Nobody forced her to get anxiety because climate change at the age of 11 and nobody forced her to become an activist later. Obviously, she has support and help from various people and groups (including her parents) but she wasn't forced to become an activist.

It's easy to call young students who don't want to live in a broken ecosystem "puppets" because they are underage but it's still not true. It's a low blow denialists use to discredit students.

[Nea Byzantia]

I'm just as curious to see what climate change proponents say in 20 years when the world doesn't end. Probably they'll just keep up with the same crap and postpone it to 20 years later.

Nobody except for a handful of loud-mouthed people utilizing extreme hyperbole are claiming it's "the end of the world as we know it." To act as if that's what most environmentalists are claiming is intellectual dishonesty at it's finest.

So then why should everybody alter their lives? Because the temperature will rise by 2 degrees? We'll have warmer summers and shorter winters?

[Major-Tom]

I am abundantly curious to see what climate-change nay sayers will think in, say, twenty years. It'll be interesting to see.

That they really enjoy the hot times.

Come to Phoenix, where it hit 120F the last few summers in a row. Those "hot times" are a blast.

[The Lone Alliance]

The problem with Greta Thunberg's speech was that it was too predictable in the sense that it was yet another attempt to make people to do something they don't want through group shaming.

Shame used to be a very large way to motivate people but it's beginning to fail partly as people are now becoming shameless or are simply becoming turned off by the media and various activists constantly trying to shame them into action. (The fact that people like Trump rose to the top simply by being completely shameless helped)

It's even beginning to backfire in the sense now some people are now accepting the shaming accusation as a badge of pride because most of the shaming comes from people they are ideologically opposed too.

It might have worked ten years ago, maybe even as late as 2012 or 2014 but by this point there's a growing portion of the western population that are now turned off people preaching them to "Change your ways or I will call you a horrible person" because to them the people saying that are people who already hate them and they hate them back.


No I think Greta was sincere, but I think in the end she's not going to change many minds.

[Major-Tom]

Nobody except for a handful of loud-mouthed people utilizing extreme hyperbole are claiming it's "the end of the world as we know it." To act as if that's what most environmentalists are claiming is intellectual dishonesty at it's finest.

So then why should everybody alter their lives? Because the temperature will rise by 2 degrees? We'll have warmer summers and shorter winters?

2 degrees is actually quite substantial in the grand scheme of things - it increases, exponentially so, the likelihood of more prolonged and extreme heat waves, droughts, intense storms, etc. To simplify it as "just two degrees" completely misses the mark.

[Nakena]

That they really enjoy the hot times.

Come to Phoenix, where it hit 120F the last few summers in a row. Those "hot times" are a blast.

My body is ready!

[Diopolis]

So then why should everybody alter their lives? Because the temperature will rise by 2 degrees? We'll have warmer summers and shorter winters?

2 degrees is actually quite substantial in the grand scheme of things - it increases, exponentially so, the likelihood of more prolonged and extreme heat waves, droughts, intense storms, etc. To simplify it as "just two degrees" completely misses the mark.

We have no idea what 2 degrees will actually do, you mean.