Greta Thunberg: Enviromental Activist or Forced Puppet?

[Nakena]

Greta is heading towards a nervous breakdown. Self-induced psychosis. Doesnt mean that she doesnt has a point or two along her way into a temporary bughouse tenure.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm going to vote for Genuine Activist in the poll. While I did describe her as an "annoying environmental activist" in another post, she does bring an important issue to people's minds. Me finding her annoying and overzealous in some ways does not change that.

[Chernoslavia]

I'm talking about her claim about how this supposedly ''ruined her dreams and childhood.''

The least important part of what she's saying then, really.

Not saying it is, just pointing out the possible reason why people are giving her shit.

[Risottia]

... will actually start to affect people in the developed world soon. ...

Is affecting the people in the developed world ALREADY.

Just to mention what's been happening in Northern Italy in the last 20ish years:
increased landslides and topsoil loss due to flash floods and quasi-tropical storms
lowered fruit production (includes grapes, hence wine) because of invasion of tropical pests and because of excessively early blooming of fruit trees
huge influx of migrants from countries affected by desertification
lesser crop yield because of droughts, especially in winter
loss of quotas of winter tourism due to lesser snowfall in the Alps
increased pollution in winter because of lesser precipitations
increased energy costs in summer because of A/C use to survive heatwaves
thousands of deaths because of heatwaves
damages due to increased number of tornadoes in the plains
salinity of groundwater increased in the lower Po Valley due to Adriatic sea level rising
less productivity of fisheries in the Adriatic due to less oxygen being diluted in warmer water and to invasive species

Is that enough of an effect?

[Bloodshade]

I'm talking about her claim about how this supposedly ''ruined her dreams and childhood.''

Well, the response to the matter of climate change by the powers that be has been lackluster and so as a result, she believes she has a duty to champion the climate change movement.

Of course, you can say she can just simply go back home but in her mind, she thinks that if the grown ups can't do the job, she has to make sure the issue doesn't disappear.

The point is, if you believe that she shouldn't be at the UN and should be in school instead, mock the politicians and billionaires that are trying to sweep an issue such as climate change under the rug because it conflicts with their dumb, selfish interests, not her.

[Dakini]

Not sure how it's dumb to raise the issue of climate change, mentioning how corporations and governments have been dismissive of climate change due to greed and talking about how the effects of climate change will be detrimental and disastrous for future generations...but whatever floats your boat I guess.

I'm talking about her claim about how this supposedly ''ruined her dreams and childhood.''

She's at an age where continued inaction over climate change means that it will become catastrophic for everyone before she's old enough to retire. If her dreams are to live a long and reasonably comfortable life, then yeah, her dreams have been ruined. If she would rather have spent her childhood learning about something other than the impending doom caused by greed and shortsightedness, then her childhood has been taken too, in some sense.

I mean, it just takes a bit of empathy to understand that sort of statement.

[Caracasus]

... will actually start to affect people in the developed world soon. ...

Is affecting the people in the developed world ALREADY.

Just to mention what's been happening in Northern Italy in the last 20ish years:
increased landslides and topsoil loss due to flash floods and quasi-tropical storms
lowered fruit production (includes grapes, hence wine) because of invasion of tropical pests and because of excessively early blooming of fruit trees
huge influx of migrants from countries affected by desertification
lesser crop yield because of droughts, especially in winter
loss of quotas of winter tourism due to lesser snowfall in the Alps
increased pollution in winter because of lesser precipitations
increased energy costs in summer because of A/C use to survive heatwaves
thousands of deaths because of heatwaves
damages due to increased number of tornadoes in the plains
salinity of groundwater increased in the lower Po Valley due to Adriatic sea level rising
less productivity of fisheries in the Adriatic due to less oxygen being diluted in warmer water and to invasive species

Is that enough of an effect?

Oh for sure, perhaps I should have phrased it better - having a noticeable effect that can't be swept under the carpet.

[Diopolis]

She can be absolutely, 100% genuine in what she’s been manipulated to do.

[Bunker 51]

I had learned about Greta Thunberg during an environmental section of my German studies... This side of her hadn't been pointed out. It makes sense that she wouldn't totally understand climate change, but this does make sense as a possibility. I'm not surprised that something came out about it tbh, but it's upsetting that this will spread doubt about climate change activists and prevent the changes that need to happen

[Nea Byzantia]

I had learned about Greta Thunberg during an environmental section of my German studies... This side of her hadn't been pointed out. It makes sense that she wouldn't totally understand climate change, but this does make sense as a possibility. I'm not surprised that something came out about it tbh, but it's upsetting that this will spread doubt about climate change activists and prevent the changes that need to happen

Eco-Fascists of the World Unite...

[Chernoslavia]

Well, the response to the matter of climate change by the powers that be has been lackluster and so as a result, she believes she has a duty to champion the climate change movement.

Of course, you can say she can just simply go back home but in her mind, she thinks that if the grown ups can't do the job, she has to make sure the issue doesn't disappear.

The point is, if you believe that she shouldn't be at the UN and should be in school instead, mock the politicians and billionaires that are trying to sweep an issue such as climate change under the rug because it conflicts with their dumb, selfish interests, not her.

I don't. I honestly don't care where she goes, I just think that particular part of her statement is just plain silly.

[Necroghastia]

She can be absolutely, 100% genuine in what she’s been manipulated to do.

Which would be what?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Genuine activist. I think the sheer amount of hate she has gotten from some people is fucking madness.

[North German Realm]

She can be absolutely, 100% genuine in what she’s been manipulated to do.

Which would be what?

Care about the environment and the climate crisis, I guess.

[Caracasus]

Genuine activist. I think the sheer amount of hate she has gotten from some people is fucking madness.

The bit where you had actual adults hoping that the boat'd sink and she'd drown was something else.

[Major-Tom]

An activist with a strong passion for climate change. Being thrust into stardom in such a short time-span is difficult for anybody, and she's handled it with grace and phenomenal temperament. Her speeches may seem rigid, and somehow that leads the weird conspiratorial muppets to regurgitate their same nonsense, the whole "hurr she's a puppet hurr."

[Vassenor]

Hasn't she also said she doesn't want to be the figurehead?

[Nea Byzantia]

Hasn't she also said she doesn't want to be the figurehead?

Yes, yes, and Octavian believed in maintaining the Roman Republic...

[Vassenor]

Hasn't she also said she doesn't want to be the figurehead?

Yes, yes, and Octavian believed in maintaining the Roman Republic...

So your evidence that she is lying is...?

[Major-Tom]

The least important part of what she's saying then, really.

Not saying it is, just pointing out the possible reason why people are giving her shit.

We're already seeing the catastrophic effects of climate change on a regular basis. It's not something to be seen in the distant future, but a harrowing reality.

And we, as the younger generation, are going to deal with the worst effects as we age, create families and go out into the world. It's only logical, then, that a lot of us are going to feel relatively cheated, especially those younger than I (ie, people like Thunberg). Shit, I don't want to live on a planet where the threats of a new climate are omnipresent, a walking reality in day to day life. That's terrifying.

[Nea Byzantia]

Yes, yes, and Octavian believed in maintaining the Roman Republic...

So your evidence that she is lying is...?

None. Other than I don't believe her. I think she's a puppet (possibly a willing one) for a larger Agenda, being pushed by certain wealthy elites.

[Major-Tom]

Hasn't she also said she doesn't want to be the figurehead?

Yes, yes, and Octavian believed in maintaining the Roman Republic...

...Did this sound better in your head or something?

[Nea Byzantia]

Not saying it is, just pointing out the possible reason why people are giving her shit.

We're already seeing the catastrophic effects of climate change on a regular basis. It's not something to be seen in the distant future, but a harrowing reality.

Such as?

[Major-Tom]

So your evidence that she is lying is...?

None. Other than I don't believe her. I think she's a puppet (possibly a willing one) for a larger Agenda, being pushed by certain wealthy elites.

You know what an opinion not informed by even a morsel of evidence is called? Nonsense.

And wealthy elites? You do realize that most wealthy "elites", the billionaire class, is the least interested in fighting climate change. After all, the prospect of having to lose money over higher regulations, carbon taxes et. al is perceived as a threat to their wallets.

I genuinely don't understand how you came to your paranoid narrative.

[Caracasus]

Yes, yes, and Octavian believed in maintaining the Roman Republic...

...Did this sound better in your head or something?

Hey, it's not just anyone who can wiki details from that half remembered realtime historical strategy game they played half a decade ago. Must mean serious business.