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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:37 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What else is new? Downtrodden men always get last dibs.

Quite optimistic to imply they’re getting any dibs at all. Most likely battered and homeless men will continued to be ignored, mocked, and scorned.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:38 am

MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:Ah. That's quite a problem.

Shouldn't they at least build an exact same shelter across the street for men then? And just have two cops in between? That's an easier solution.

My God, what's the world coming to? Everything is on fire!! Litteraly and metaphorically!

Seems like society has a huge hang up about helping men who need it. Almost like its misandrist or something.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:39 am

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What else is new? Downtrodden men always get last dibs.

Quite optimistic to imply they’re getting any dibs at all. Most likely battered and homeless men will continued to be ignored, mocked, and scorned.

You're right.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:40 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I always assumed most of them simply would support ways of childbirth that don't require a man's sperm? Or, at least not the man it comes from...


Good luck keeping the population above a few million with invitro. These third wavers are gonna die alone with some cats, cause in the end they're just the female version of the MGTOWs. A bunch of average to subpar looking females with an axe to grind and two embarrassed parents. Winners don't become third wavers. The worst of the worst do. It's an extremist ideology like any other and seeks to build an unnatural hierarchy, pitting one gender against another

I was thinking more along the lines of a gradual process, probably starting with barring men from certain places and positions (kind of like segregation), eventually making them second class citizens, and eventually, using them as little more than fertilizers who exist only to propagate the next generation. It sounds extreme, but if someone were to go about doing it, this is probably how.
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Postby Antityranicals » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:41 am

Gentlemen, please. Building a public homeless shelter for men wouldn't do them much good, anyway. If New York actually wanted to help these homeless men, they'd scrap their draconian minimum wage laws, so these men could get a job, instead of being passed over because employers don't want to pay $15 an hour to employ a homeless guy.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:42 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:This is a bunch of BS.
If we don't help homeless men because "all men are evil" than men who become homeless are left to die.
This is what's wrong with the world, if it's wrong to say all people of color are dumb and thives than it should be wrong to say all men are rapests.

Good Lord what has this country come to?


we live in a society where saying all Muslims are terrorists will earn you a "not all muslims" rebuke, but saying all men are rapists or all white people are racists is perfectly A-ok. It's funny cause I don't remember anyone ever telling me to not rape. I just never do. Weird, how do these third wave feminists explain that?

They'll use biased studies to explain that.

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Postby Antityranicals » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:43 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Good luck keeping the population above a few million with invitro. These third wavers are gonna die alone with some cats, cause in the end they're just the female version of the MGTOWs. A bunch of average to subpar looking females with an axe to grind and two embarrassed parents. Winners don't become third wavers. The worst of the worst do. It's an extremist ideology like any other and seeks to build an unnatural hierarchy, pitting one gender against another

I was thinking more along the lines of a gradual process, probably starting with barring men from certain places and positions (kind of like segregation), eventually making them second class citizens, and eventually, using them as little more than fertilizers who exist only to propagate the next generation. It sounds extreme, but if someone were to go about doing it, this is probably how.

Society would collapse without men, much as society would collapse without women.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:43 am

Antityranicals wrote:Gentlemen, please. Building a public homeless shelter for men wouldn't do them much good, anyway. If New York actually wanted to help these homeless men, they'd scrap their draconian minimum wage laws, so these men could get a job, instead of being passed over because employers don't want to pay $15 an hour to employ a homeless guy.

And? Cause this just seems like weak justification for fucking over homeless men in favor of other groups.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:44 am

Antityranicals wrote:Gentlemen, please. Building a public homeless shelter for men wouldn't do them much good, anyway. If New York actually wanted to help these homeless men, they'd scrap their draconian minimum wage laws, so these men could get a job, instead of being passed over because employers don't want to pay $15 an hour to employ a homeless guy.

I’d think giving them a roof over their head would help a little bit so they don’t y’know, die. Not to mention that battered men also need a place to go when their s/o decides to start beating them black and blue.
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Postby United Cyran Systems » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:44 am

Soon were gonna need "Men's Rights Activists". This is just antagonistic to build a shelter for one gender and flip the other off.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:45 am

Antityranicals wrote:Gentlemen, please. Building a public homeless shelter for men wouldn't do them much good, anyway. If New York actually wanted to help these homeless men, they'd scrap their draconian minimum wage laws, so these men could get a job, instead of being passed over because employers don't want to pay $15 an hour to employ a homeless guy.

Just because someone has a job does not mean it will pay enough for him or her to afford a home. I'm not a supporter of 15 per hour, but eliminating it will not eliminate the need for homeless shelters. My state has a much lower minimum wage, and we still have plenty of homeless.
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Andsed wrote:
Antityranicals wrote:Gentlemen, please. Building a public homeless shelter for men wouldn't do them much good, anyway. If New York actually wanted to help these homeless men, they'd scrap their draconian minimum wage laws, so these men could get a job, instead of being passed over because employers don't want to pay $15 an hour to employ a homeless guy.

And? Cause this just seems like weak justification for fucking over homeless men in favor of other groups.

I'm just saying that there are far worse things New York is doing to homeless men than just not building them shelters. Shelters wouldn't be necessary if there weren't a million restrictions on people who want to help the homeless by giving them a stable job.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:46 am

Antityranicals wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of a gradual process, probably starting with barring men from certain places and positions (kind of like segregation), eventually making them second class citizens, and eventually, using them as little more than fertilizers who exist only to propagate the next generation. It sounds extreme, but if someone were to go about doing it, this is probably how.

Society would collapse without men, much as society would collapse without women.

Yes, but that's the thing. You could always keep men around, but treat them as no better than animals. Not saying you should, you absolutely shouldn't. But if you were a fanatic convinced that men are worse than the Nazis and Satan combined, this is the way you can win your crusade without condemning humanity to extinction.
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United Cyran Systems wrote:Soon were gonna need "Men's Rights Activists". This is just antagonistic to build a shelter for one gender and flip the other off.

The best part of this is that they can’t even claim that this was for practical reasons. They turned it into a women’s shelter and managed to satisfy the critics. They aren’t even trying to hide it, but I suppose that’s par for the course.
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Andsed wrote:And? Cause this just seems like weak justification for fucking over homeless men in favor of other groups.

I'm just saying that there are far worse things New York is doing to homeless men than just not building them shelters. Shelters wouldn't be necessary if there weren't a million restrictions on people who want to help the homeless by giving them a stable job.

They’d still be necessary for victims of domestic abuse.
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Antityranicals wrote:Gentlemen, please. Building a public homeless shelter for men wouldn't do them much good, anyway. If New York actually wanted to help these homeless men, they'd scrap their draconian minimum wage laws, so these men could get a job, instead of being passed over because employers don't want to pay $15 an hour to employ a homeless guy.


Or... give the homeless homes. That seems the more logical solution considering that lack of money is only one of many factors that contribute to homelessness. And by the way, if a homeless person got a 40 hour per week job in New York City, they would still be homeless even if they made $15 an hour, because that is not nearly enough to afford even the most modest apartment. And there are always more people than jobs anyway.
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Postby Antityranicals » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:48 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Antityranicals wrote:Gentlemen, please. Building a public homeless shelter for men wouldn't do them much good, anyway. If New York actually wanted to help these homeless men, they'd scrap their draconian minimum wage laws, so these men could get a job, instead of being passed over because employers don't want to pay $15 an hour to employ a homeless guy.

Just because someone has a job does not mean it will pay enough for him or her to afford a home. I'm not a supporter of 15 per hour, but eliminating it will not eliminate the need for homeless shelters.

That's another thing. New York has some of the most ridiculous building codes in the nation. Complying with these codes costs tons of money, in many cases doubling the cost of a project, thus driving up housing costs through the roof. That's not to mention certain types of low income housing which are downright prohibited. Were it not for these insane regulations, $7 an hour would be enough to pay rent.
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Antityranicals wrote:Gentlemen, please. Building a public homeless shelter for men wouldn't do them much good, anyway. If New York actually wanted to help these homeless men, they'd scrap their draconian minimum wage laws, so these men could get a job, instead of being passed over because employers don't want to pay $15 an hour to employ a homeless guy.


Or... give the homeless homes. That seems the more logical solution considering that lack of money is only one of many factors that contribute to homelessness. And by the way, if a homeless person got a 40 hour per week job in New York City, they would still be homeless even if they made $15 an hour, because that is not nearly enough to afford even the most modest apartment. And there are always more people than jobs anyway.

The cost of living in New York continues to sicken me. I make 9.25 bucks an hour here in Little Rock and I can afford a studio apartment plus a bit more.
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Ors Might wrote:
Antityranicals wrote:I'm just saying that there are far worse things New York is doing to homeless men than just not building them shelters. Shelters wouldn't be necessary if there weren't a million restrictions on people who want to help the homeless by giving them a stable job.

They’d still be necessary for victims of domestic abuse.

Yeah, but the dumbasses in power seem to believe men can't be victims of abuse
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Antityranicals wrote:Gentlemen, please. Building a public homeless shelter for men wouldn't do them much good, anyway. If New York actually wanted to help these homeless men, they'd scrap their draconian minimum wage laws, so these men could get a job, instead of being passed over because employers don't want to pay $15 an hour to employ a homeless guy.


Or... give the homeless homes. That seems the more logical solution considering that lack of money is only one of many factors that contribute to homelessness. And by the way, if a homeless person got a 40 hour per week job in New York City, they would still be homeless even if they made $15 an hour, because that is not nearly enough to afford even the most modest apartment. And there are always more people than jobs anyway.

Only because tons of jobs are not worth the crazy minimum wage. These jobs are essentially made illegal. Were it not for the minimum wage, there would be more jobs than people, and wages would naturally rise.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:52 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ors Might wrote:They’d still be necessary for victims of domestic abuse.

Yeah, but the dumbasses in power seem to believe men can't be victims of abuse

Some are willing to accept that men can be abused by other men but will still laugh at the idea that a man could be assaulted by his wife.
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Antityranicals wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Just because someone has a job does not mean it will pay enough for him or her to afford a home. I'm not a supporter of 15 per hour, but eliminating it will not eliminate the need for homeless shelters.

That's another thing. New York has some of the most ridiculous building codes in the nation. Complying with these codes costs tons of money, in many cases doubling the cost of a project, thus driving up housing costs through the roof. That's not to mention certain types of low income housing which are downright prohibited. Were it not for these insane regulations, $7 an hour would be enough to pay rent.


$7 an hour is not enough to pay rent in ANY state.
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Ors Might wrote:
MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:Ah. That's quite a problem.

Shouldn't they at least build an exact same shelter across the street for men then? And just have two cops in between? That's an easier solution.

My God, what's the world coming to? Everything is on fire!! Litteraly and metaphorically!

Seems like society has a huge hang up about helping men who need it. Almost like its misandrist or something.


I know right? It's like they're almost sexist!

I really, really want some good news in the world right now. Anyone got any wholesome news?
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:54 am

MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Seems like society has a huge hang up about helping men who need it. Almost like its misandrist or something.


I know right? It's like they're almost sexist!

I really, really want some good news in the world right now. Anyone got any wholesome news?

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