New York abandons plans for mens shelter

[Ethel mermania]

It's not a great location for a shelter. There is no subway nearby, and I dont think there are a lot of services for the homeless in college point. ( that last point, needs to be researched).

You’re probably right. That’s not what’s upsetting, or at least its not as upsetting. Excluding a not insignificant number of people from seeking shelter because of their sex is abhorrent and is part of a wider issue.

The making it s women's shelter was a sop to the community to alleviate their concerns about the crime caused by having a shelter there.

I am a bit playing devils advocate, (full disclosure: I have dated a girl from college point in the long past). I see both sides but I see the communities point.

[Ostroeuropa]

You’re probably right. That’s not what’s upsetting, or at least its not as upsetting. Excluding a not insignificant number of people from seeking shelter because of their sex is abhorrent and is part of a wider issue.

The making it s women's shelter was a sop to the community to alleviate their concerns about the crime caused by having a shelter there.

I am a bit playing devils advocate, (full disclosure: I have dated a girl from college point in the long past). I see both sides but I see the communities point.

Straight up i'd have eisenhowered it just to drive the point home

Rich misandrists are so extremely entitled they'd throw a massive tantrum and probably attack the troops or cops because they're so out of touch and so used to getting everything their way and so unused to state violence being leveled against them they don't understand how to react, and then you can just shove them in a cell.

[Ethel mermania]

The wiki made the ratio much higher. I dont believe race or color makes a difference. I in no way believe the sexes are or should be considered equal except before the law (which would include pay and work).

The shelter is operated by the state directly. Not allowing both genders is explicitly not being equal before the law.

City, or private contractor. And to be honest, you may be right.

[Proctopeo]

They were to both the homeless shelter in general, and a homeless shelter with men in it. Hence why it's a "partial victory". If their only objections were to the shelter in general, it wouldn't be considered a "victory" in any sense.

They didn't consider it a complete victory like you think they would if the presence of homeless men was their sole objection.

It was however one of their two objections. Hence "partial victory". Don't try to gloss over that, it won't work.

[Gormwood]

They didn't consider it a complete victory like you think they would if the presence of homeless men was their sole objection.

It was however one of their two objections. Hence "partial victory". Don't try to gloss over that, it won't work.

Don't pretend the objection to the shelter was solely driven by penis hate either.

[Proctopeo]

It was however one of their two objections. Hence "partial victory". Don't try to gloss over that, it won't work.

Don't pretend the objection to the shelter was solely driven by penis hate either.

I'm not doing that, nobody is doing that. Please, read.
Again, however, it was an objection, and perhaps more notably, the objection that was listened to.

[Ostroeuropa]

It was however one of their two objections. Hence "partial victory". Don't try to gloss over that, it won't work.

Don't pretend the objection to the shelter was solely driven by penis hate either.

RemindMeWhen;
Next time Gorm or Vass try to talk about any issue like race where class is also an axis but don't bring it up.

It's almost like you're desperate to dismiss misandry, especially calling it penis hate and so on.

[Ethel mermania]

A little more background.

https://therealdeal.com/2019/05/14/crit ... s-shelter/

https://qns.com/story/2019/05/24/katz-c ... er-timing/

http://welovewhitestone.com/college-poi ... r-proposal

[Gormwood]

A little more background.

https://therealdeal.com/2019/05/14/crit ... s-shelter/

https://qns.com/story/2019/05/24/katz-c ... er-timing/

http://welovewhitestone.com/college-poi ... r-proposal

Naw, College Point embraced the shelter wholeheartedly once they said "No Penii Allowed".

[Ethel mermania]

The making it s women's shelter was a sop to the community to alleviate their concerns about the crime caused by having a shelter there.

I am a bit playing devils advocate, (full disclosure: I have dated a girl from college point in the long past). I see both sides but I see the communities point.

Straight up i'd have eisenhowered it just to drive the point home

Rich misandrists are so extremely entitled they'd throw a massive tantrum and probably attack the troops or cops because they're so out of touch and so used to getting everything their way and so unused to state violence being leveled against them they don't understand how to react, and then you can just shove them in a cell.

College point is a working class neighborhood. When you cant afford flushing you move to college point. College point is home to junk yards, auto collision shops, waste transfer stations, NYPD's tow lot, and sits under LaGuardia' runway.

[Ethel mermania]

A little more background.

https://therealdeal.com/2019/05/14/crit ... s-shelter/

https://qns.com/story/2019/05/24/katz-c ... er-timing/

http://welovewhitestone.com/college-poi ... r-proposal

Naw, College Point embraced the shelter wholeheartedly once they said "No Penii Allowed".

Edit:, my sarcasm meter is broken, sorry.

[Gormwood]

Naw, College Point embraced the shelter wholeheartedly once they said "No Penii Allowed".

Embraced? Source please.

That was sarcasm.

[Ethel mermania]

Embraced? Source please.

That was sarcasm.

Took me a second to realize, I was correcting when you beat me to it.

[Novus America]

It was however one of their two objections. Hence "partial victory". Don't try to gloss over that, it won't work.

Don't pretend the objection to the shelter was solely driven by penis hate either.

Do not pretend “penis hate” was not involved at all either.
Nobody said it was the ONLY reason, but it was A reason.

[Paradeavenlisian States]

Wtf? Seriously? Quite outrageous if I have to say so myself! Why couldn't they at least plan a separate homeless shelter for men and another for women? That would surely solve the so-called rapist issue that may occur in those shelters as those officials seem to claim. According to the following study as well as many others, roughly 60.1% of homeless people are actually men and boys while 39.2% of homeless people are women and girls(the remaining 0.7% being transgender):
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2018/12/29/homelessness-has-racial-gender-and-age-disparities/#121dbaf53c36

[Ethel mermania]

Don't pretend the objection to the shelter was solely driven by penis hate either.

Do not pretend “penis hate” was not involved at all either.
Nobody said it was the ONLY reason, but it was A reason.

Making it a women's only shelter was not the communities idea.

[Vassenor]

Wtf? Seriously? Quite outrageous if I have to say so myself! Why couldn't they at least plan a separate homeless shelter for men and another for women? That would surely solve the so-called rapist issue that may occur in those shelters as those officials seem to claim. According to the following study as well as many others, roughly 60.1% of homeless people are actually men and boys while 39.2% of homeless people are women and girls(the remaining 0.7% being transgender):
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2018/12/29/homelessness-has-racial-gender-and-age-disparities/#121dbaf53c36

Because the community objected to a homeless shelter in general. So no, two shelters would not have solved the problem.

[Galloism]

A little more background.

https://therealdeal.com/2019/05/14/crit ... s-shelter/

https://qns.com/story/2019/05/24/katz-c ... er-timing/

http://welovewhitestone.com/college-poi ... r-proposal

Naw, College Point embraced the shelter wholeheartedly once they said "No Penii Allowed".

You gotta ask yourself why though that politicians with staff and people who know the public will and whims thought "this will be easier if there's no penii allowed", and then ask why there's no backlash at the sexism therein aside from this thread.

I'm not saying that they love the concept of the shelter now, but if they made it an all white shelter to assuage the public, you would have to ask yourself why that was considered a viable option and why no one is complaining about the racism therein.

[Major-Tom]

I...I can't think of any reason that someone would support this. This is not only a reflection of how capitulating to the "NIMBY" types causes disastrous results, but also shines a light on how many view homeless people, specifically white "liberals." All for looking pretty and progressive on social issues, but when it comes to affordable housing, shelter for the homeless, and proactive measures to mitigate homelessness, they often come up looking like John Birchers.

What a fucking mess, honestly.

[Ostroeuropa]

Naw, College Point embraced the shelter wholeheartedly once they said "No Penii Allowed".

You gotta ask yourself why though that politicians with staff and people who know the public will and whims thought "this will be easier if there's no penii allowed", and then ask why there's no backlash at the sexism therein aside from this thread.

I'm not saying that they love the concept of the shelter now, but if they made it an all white shelter to assuage the public, you would have to ask yourself why that was considered a viable option and why no one is complaining about the racism therein.

"It's a partial victory we don't have to have poor negroes in the neighborhood, but we'd really rather no poor whites either. Alas, it seems the media and politicians are no longer sympathetic to us now that we can't rant about how having poor black folk in the area will lead to riots."

[Ethel mermania]

You gotta ask yourself why though that politicians with staff and people who know the public will and whims thought "this will be easier if there's no penii allowed", and then ask why there's no backlash at the sexism therein aside from this thread.

I'm not saying that they love the concept of the shelter now, but if they made it an all white shelter to assuage the public, you would have to ask yourself why that was considered a viable option and why no one is complaining about the racism therein.

"It's a partial victory we don't have to have poor negroes in the neighborhood, but we'd really rather no poor whites either. Alas, it seems the media and politicians are no longer sympathetic to us now that we can't rant about how having poor black folk in the area will lead to riots."

Except it is an Asian and hispanic neighborhood these days.

https://www.areavibes.com/new+york-ny/c ... ographics/

The amount of crap you are throwing about rich white people is just completely clueless, it's the poor Latin and Asian immigrants who dont want the shelter there.

[Fahran]

Well, this is sexist and immoral.

[Fahran]

Except it is an Asian and hispanic neighborhood these days.

https://www.areavibes.com/new+york-ny/c ... ographics/

The amount of crap you are throwing about rich white people is just completely clueless, it's the poor Latin and Asian immigrants who dont want the shelter there.

Hello nuance, my old friend.

[Ethel mermania]

Except it is an Asian and hispanic neighborhood these days.

https://www.areavibes.com/new+york-ny/c ... ographics/

The amount of crap you are throwing about rich white people is just completely clueless, it's the poor Latin and Asian immigrants who dont want the shelter there.

Hello nuance, my old friend.

Not on this site, its bludgeon or nothin.

[Estanglia]

Like that's any better

I don't think anyone said it was. Just pointing out that the incident was being slanted to justify yet another tirade about how oppressed and victimised men are.

Because the unwanted shelter suddenly flipping to being female-only totally shows no hatred or discrimination or whatever against men because it's unwanted.

How about we ponder the question of 'Why did they think that making it female-only would solve anything'?