New York abandons plans for mens shelter

[Galloism]

It's hardly being slanted, is it. The complaints were made on the basis the men would be dangerous to children and so on, and the response was to make it a womens shelter.

They are more dangerous


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_dif ... s_in_crime

I mean, that's probably true to an extent (although sexism against men in the justice system makes it hard to be absolutely for certain, as men face discrimination at every stage from investigation to sentencing, documented and proven), but it's also probably for the same reason there's race differences in crime - the oppressed are often more likely to be criminal out of desperation.

[Ethel mermania]

They are more dangerous


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_dif ... s_in_crime

“More dangerous” being a relative term here. Unless most men are violent criminals, that’s not a good basis for denying them access to shelters.

In a neighborhood with 5 schools in it? If the areas objection is based on the "violence" of the homeless, why not?

[Ors Might]

“More dangerous” being a relative term here. Unless most men are violent criminals, that’s not a good basis for denying them access to shelters.

In a neighborhood with 5 schools in it? If the areas objection is based on the "violence" of the homeless, why not?

Because a homeless shelter that excludes the majority of the homeless is a bad homeless shelter.

[Diopolis]

In a neighborhood with 5 schools in it? If the areas objection is based on the "violence" of the homeless, why not?

Because a homeless shelter that excludes the majority of the homeless is a bad homeless shelter.

It sounds like this might have just been a bad place to put a homeless shelter.

[Kilkerneys Landing]

I am a firm believer in the teachings of Euclid with an equilibrium of all things being equal and having a chance. We as an American nation judge others for discrimination and prejudice against each other and this only strengthens the divide. If someone is down on their luck, we need to support them irregardless of who they are.

[Ors Might]

Because a homeless shelter that excludes the majority of the homeless is a bad homeless shelter.

It sounds like this might have just been a bad place to put a homeless shelter.

I imagine that the homeless population in that area might be somewhat inclined to disagree. Regardless, the city did put in a homeless shelter there and chose to exclude three fourths of the homeless population.

[Ethel mermania]

They are more dangerous


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_dif ... s_in_crime

I mean, that's probably true to an extent (although sexism against men in the justice system makes it hard to be absolutely for certain, as men face discrimination at every stage from investigation to sentencing, documented and proven), but it's also probably for the same reason there's race differences in crime - the oppressed are often more likely to be criminal out of desperation.

The cause per se doesnt matter, just that the violence still is higher by a 4ish to 1 ratio of men to women does make the sex of the shelter a reasonable concern of the neighborhood.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's hardly being slanted, is it. The complaints were made on the basis the men would be dangerous to children and so on, and the response was to make it a womens shelter.

They are more dangerous


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_dif ... s_in_crime

Not to children dude. Most crimes against children are committed by women.

[Galloism]

I mean, that's probably true to an extent (although sexism against men in the justice system makes it hard to be absolutely for certain, as men face discrimination at every stage from investigation to sentencing, documented and proven), but it's also probably for the same reason there's race differences in crime - the oppressed are often more likely to be criminal out of desperation.

The cause per se doesnt matter, just that the violence still is higher by a 4ish to 1 ratio of men to women does make the sex of the shelter a reasonable concern of the neighborhood.

It's probably somewhere between 1.7 to 1 and 1.3 to 1 when you get to the root of it, again, although it's hard to know for certain.

The rest is just that we don't prosecute women for most crimes they commit, or we bust it down to misdemeanors which drop off the record after a few years.

But then again, you just justified making a whites only shelter because it's safer than one for black people. So uh... welcome to modern realities.

[Ethel mermania]

It sounds like this might have just been a bad place to put a homeless shelter.

I imagine that the homeless population in that area might be somewhat inclined to disagree. Regardless, the city did put in a homeless shelter there and chose to exclude three fourths of the homeless population.

It's not a great location for a shelter. There is no subway nearby, and I dont think there are a lot of services for the homeless in college point. ( that last point, needs to be researched).

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Thats stupid, we should be working to eradicate homelessness for everyone, not just a single gender.

[Christian Confederation]

The red state boom are in part because they let companies pay employees way less than blue states.

Which is still more then they'd make in blue states once you account for costs of living.

Exactly, it costs nothing to live in middle of nowhere flyover towns and your payed a wage you can live on if you manage your money correctly

[Ors Might]

I imagine that the homeless population in that area might be somewhat inclined to disagree. Regardless, the city did put in a homeless shelter there and chose to exclude three fourths of the homeless population.

It's not a great location for a shelter. There is no subway nearby, and I dont think there are a lot of services for the homeless in college point. ( that last point, needs to be researched).

You’re probably right. That’s not what’s upsetting, or at least its not as upsetting. Excluding a not insignificant number of people from seeking shelter because of their sex is abhorrent and is part of a wider issue.

[Ethel mermania]

The cause per se doesnt matter, just that the violence still is higher by a 4ish to 1 ratio of men to women does make the sex of the shelter a reasonable concern of the neighborhood.

It's probably somewhere between 1.7 to 1 and 1.3 to 1 when you get to the root of it, again, although it's hard to know for certain.

The rest is just that we don't prosecute women for most crimes they commit, or we bust it down to misdemeanors which drop off the record after a few years.

But then again, you just justified making a whites only shelter because it's safer than one for black people. So uh... welcome to modern realities.

The wiki made the ratio much higher. I dont believe race or color makes a difference. I in no way believe the sexes are or should be considered equal except before the law (which would include pay and work).

[Diopolis]

If it's a Job the lads need ship them to a red State where we're having a job/ economic boom.

The red state boom are in part because they let companies pay employees way less than blue states.

Which is still more livable than the higher wages in blue states.

[Vassenor]

Thats stupid, we should be working to eradicate homelessness for everyone, not just a single gender.

Keep in mind that the local objections were to a homeless shelter in general, not just to a "men only" shelter.

[Galloism]

It's probably somewhere between 1.7 to 1 and 1.3 to 1 when you get to the root of it, again, although it's hard to know for certain.

The rest is just that we don't prosecute women for most crimes they commit, or we bust it down to misdemeanors which drop off the record after a few years.

But then again, you just justified making a whites only shelter because it's safer than one for black people. So uh... welcome to modern realities.

The wiki made the ratio much higher. I dont believe race or color makes a difference. I in no way believe the sexes are or should be considered equal except before the law (which would include pay and work).

The shelter is operated by the state directly. Not allowing both genders is explicitly not being equal before the law.

[Ostroeuropa]

Thats stupid, we should be working to eradicate homelessness for everyone, not just a single gender.

Keep in mind that the local objections were to a homeless shelter in general, not just to a "men only" shelter.

You're misrepresenting the objections in order to try and downplay misandry. Why would they call this a partial victory exactly?

A key element of their objection to the homeless shelter is that it would be men in it.

[Ors Might]

Thats stupid, we should be working to eradicate homelessness for everyone, not just a single gender.

Keep in mind that the local objections were to a homeless shelter in general, not just to a "men only" shelter.

And the objections that actually changed things were rooted in sexism.

[Proctopeo]

Thats stupid, we should be working to eradicate homelessness for everyone, not just a single gender.

Keep in mind that the local objections were to a homeless shelter in general, not just to a "men only" shelter.

They were to both the homeless shelter in general, and a homeless shelter with men in it. Hence why it's a "partial victory". If their only objections were to the shelter in general, it wouldn't be considered a "victory" in any sense.

[Ostroeuropa]

Keep in mind that the local objections were to a homeless shelter in general, not just to a "men only" shelter.

They were to both the homeless shelter in general, and a homeless shelter with men in it. Hence why it's a "partial victory". If their only objections were to the shelter in general, it wouldn't be considered a "victory" in any sense.

"Us whites have criminals too, but at least they're fucking civilized about it." - Purity, Neo-Nazi Supervillain.

They might dislike the homeless in general but it's pretty clear they especially hate men and that this is the element of their activism that was accepted.

Which actually makes the case for misandry even stronger when men are even lower than the fucking homeless. The state wouldn't back down on a homeless shelter, but backed down on men benefiting from it.

[Gormwood]

Keep in mind that the local objections were to a homeless shelter in general, not just to a "men only" shelter.

They were to both the homeless shelter in general, and a homeless shelter with men in it. Hence why it's a "partial victory". If their only objections were to the shelter in general, it wouldn't be considered a "victory" in any sense.

They didn't consider it a complete victory like you think they would if the presence of homeless men was their sole objection.

[Ostroeuropa]

They were to both the homeless shelter in general, and a homeless shelter with men in it. Hence why it's a "partial victory". If their only objections were to the shelter in general, it wouldn't be considered a "victory" in any sense.

They didn't consider it a complete victory like you think they would if the presence of homeless men was their sole objection.

See here;

They were to both the homeless shelter in general, and a homeless shelter with men in it. Hence why it's a "partial victory". If their only objections were to the shelter in general, it wouldn't be considered a "victory" in any sense.

"Us whites have criminals too, but at least they're fucking civilized about it." - Purity, Neo-Nazi Supervillain.

They might dislike the homeless in general but it's pretty clear they especially hate men and that this is the element of their activism that was accepted.

Which actually makes the case for misandry even stronger when men are even lower than the fucking homeless. The state wouldn't back down on a homeless shelter, but backed down on men.

[Ors Might]

They were to both the homeless shelter in general, and a homeless shelter with men in it. Hence why it's a "partial victory". If their only objections were to the shelter in general, it wouldn't be considered a "victory" in any sense.

They didn't consider it a complete victory like you think they would if the presence of homeless men was their sole objection.

But it was one of their objections.

[Ostroeuropa]

They didn't consider it a complete victory like you think they would if the presence of homeless men was their sole objection.

But it was one of their objections.

It was also the objection which the institutions of power decided to accept, demonstrating misandry is more entrenched than classism in this instance.