Ten Officers Shoot and Kill Armed Man in Hyattsville, MD

[Loben The 2nd]

Seems open and shut, what the fuck did he expect to happen when he charged an officer?

[Bunker 51]

Because governments have a long history of killing people.

Can you elaborate on how that therefore makes any legislation allowing government killing "wrong"?

[Samadhi]

Because governments have a long history of killing people.

Because they have done it isn't an answer to the question of why you think they shouldn't have the right to do it in certain circumstances.

Yes it is.

[Loben The 2nd]

Seems open and shut, what the fuck did he expect to happen when he charged an officer?

obviously the officer should have let themselves be stabbed rather than shoot this fine upstanding member of the community.

maybe, just maybe it was his internalized oppression.

[The New California Republic]

Because they have done it isn't an answer to the question of why you think they shouldn't have the right to do it in certain circumstances.

Yes it is.

No, it isn't. All you are doing is describing the situation, it isn't explaining anything.

[Samadhi]

Because governments have a long history of killing people.

Can you elaborate on how that therefore makes any legislation allowing government killing "wrong"?

Ok.
Killing people is wrong
Organisations that have thousands of years of history killing people shouldn’t be allowed to do so

[Loben The 2nd]

Can you elaborate on how that therefore makes any legislation allowing government killing "wrong"?

Ok.
Killing people is wrong
Organisations that have thousands of years of history killing people shouldn’t be allowed to do so

depends on circumstances.

[Loben The 2nd]

maybe, just maybe it was his internalized oppression.

a history of slavery and segregation made him beat people with metal poles and threaten them with knives. none of this is really his fault.

for sure.

[The New California Republic]

Killing people is wrong

Police cannot intervene in a school shooting then?

No the staff and students should be armed

Something doesn't quite square here.

[The New California Republic]

Something doesn't quite square here.

killing people is okay as long as it's not the state doing it.

Not what they said though. They specifically said "killing people is wrong"...

[Samadhi]

Something doesn't quite square here.

killing people is okay as long as it's not the state doing it.

I’d increase that to any organisation/individual that doesn’t have a history of violence.

[The New California Republic]

killing people is okay as long as it's not the state doing it.

I’d increase that to any organisation/individual that doesn’t have a history of violence.

...what? So someone without a history of violence has carte blanche to kill?

[Bunker 51]

I’d increase that to any organisation/individual that doesn’t have a history of violence.

Oh, ok. I see now- You believe that as long as you haven't killed anyone before, or are forced to do so in self defense, then it's alright to do it! That was all the confusion from me, and your opinion is very logical and reasonable. I'm going to take this chance to point out that many police officers do not have a history of unprovoked violence, and therefore fall under your categorization. Or am I mistaken?

[Samadhi]

I’d increase that to any organisation/individual that doesn’t have a history of violence.

Oh, ok. I see now- You believe that as long as you haven't killed anyone before, or are forced to do so in self defense, then it's alright to do it! That was all the confusion from me, and your opinion is very logical and reasonable. I'm going to take this chance to point out that many police officers do not have a history of unprovoked violence, and therefore fall under your categorization. Or am I mistaken?

The state does so it’s disqualified.
Hell the domestic abuse rate would disqualify the police on its own.

[Samadhi]

The state does so it’s disqualified.
Hell the domestic abuse rate would disqualify the police on its own.

and what qualifies some untrained civilian to make decisions on who to kill?

Being alive

[Samadhi]

Being alive

murderers and rapists are alive but i doubt you'd let one just decide who to kill.

Ah yes murderers and rapists exist therefore the CCCP is justified

[The New California Republic]

murderers and rapists are alive but i doubt you'd let one just decide who to kill.

Ah yes murderers and rapists exist therefore the CCCP is justified

Weird straw man.

[Samadhi]

Ah yes murderers and rapists exist therefore the CCCP is justified

interestingly no one except you has said that.

Just another sign I’m the best

[Rojava Free State]

I really can't understand the controversy with this case. If you charge someone with a gun, you will be shot. Not long ago I had a guy I once went to highschool with threaten to hit me with a hammer if he saw me in public, and I told him that my CPL was proof that was a bad idea. If you don't want to be the recipient of violence, a great way to avoid it most of the time is to not engage in violent behavior.

[The New California Republic]

interestingly no one except you has said that.

Just another sign I’m the best

An ability to strawman isn't an indicator of that at all. The fact that you feel the need to resort to strawmen at all is a good indicator that your conventional arguments are failing.

[Samadhi]

Just another sign I’m the best

An ability to strawman isn't an indicator of that at all. The fact that you feel the need to resort to strawmen at all is a good indicator that your conventional arguments are failing.

I’m not detecting any straw

[Kowani]

An ability to strawman isn't an indicator of that at all. The fact that you feel the need to resort to strawmen at all is a good indicator that your conventional arguments are failing.

I’m not detecting any straw

Perhaps you should look at your own arguments.

[The New California Republic]

An ability to strawman isn't an indicator of that at all. The fact that you feel the need to resort to strawmen at all is a good indicator that your conventional arguments are failing.

I’m not detecting any straw

Your inability to acknowledge that it's there and its actual presence are two totally different things.

[US-SSR]

Suicide by cop. A few years ago it wouldn't have taken the cops that long.

[Bunker 51]

Hey guys I just want to put us on the right track again. Clearly Samadhi believes in a very different system of law, and we should accept that. I'd prefer that instead of heckling, you accept his opinion and move on because it doesn't affect you. How would you feel if everyone was teaming against you based on one idea you were trying to put across?
I don't agree that the government should not be allowed to kill, or that people's merit and criminal record should determine whether a death is justified, but there are some points he's made that I like.